Proof beyond all doubt that Iblis is a physical being and all jinn are physical

IAMOP

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Context The Jinn (Surah Al-Jinn)

Say, "It was revealed to me that a band of jinn listened in, and said, 'We have heard a wondrous Quran.
It guides to rectitude, so we have believed in it; and we will never associate anyone with our Lord.
And Exalted is the Grandeur of our Lord-He never had a mate, nor a child.
But the fools among us used to say nonsense about God.
And we thought that humans and jinn would never utter lies about God.
Some individual humans used to seek power through some individual jinn, but they only increased them in confusion.
They thought, as you thought, that God would never resurrect anyone.
We probed the heaven, and found it filled with stern guards and projectiles.
We used to take up positions to listen in; but whoever listens now finds a projectile in wait for him.
We do not know whether ill is intended for those on earth, or if their Lord intends goodness for them.
Some of us are righteous, but some of us are less than that; we follow divergent paths.
We realized that we cannot defeat God on earth, and that we cannot escape Him by fleeing.
And when we heard the guidance, we believed in it. Whoever believes in his Lord fears neither loss, nor burden.
Among us are those who are submitting, and among us are the compromisers. As for those who have submitted-it is they who pursue rectitude.
But as for the compromisers-they will be firewood for Hell.'"
Had they kept true to the Path, We would have given them plenty water to drink.
http//www.clearquran.com/072.html
We said to the angels, Bow down to Adam. So they bowed down, except for Iblis. He was of the jinn, and he defied the command of his Lord. Will you take him and his offspring as lords instead of Me, when they are an enemy to you? Evil is the exchange for the wrongdoers.
And created the jinn from a fire without smoke (marijin min narin).

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So now, question is

(1) Either Iblees is both Jinn and malaika
(2) or Iblees is just Jinn

Can someone provide a proof by contradiction? This is the method Allah has prescribed - the Truth contradicts all falsehood yet is free from contradiction in relation to itself.
482 (Sarwar) - Will they not ponder on the Quran? Had it not come from someone other than God, they would have certainly found therein many contradictions.

Wilson

Peace IOMAP,

If you add the above observations to 2130, which indicates that every living thing is made of water then we can conclude that "jinn" are certainly not living things. So this further confirms that they are fantasies. The fantasies are the fuel of hell because hell is the worse thing that humans can imagine. On the other hand, there are no "jinn" in heaven. They are not needed. For those who go to heaven by their lord's mercy, everything that they will becomes reality and therefore there is no need to fantacize.

The reward for the good "jinn"/fantasies is not heaven. Their reward is that they are given water (7216), in other words, the good fantasies are given life.

This is why we need to control our fantasies and direct them towards good. In other words, we always need to imagine positive good things and avoid imagining sinful things. This will carry over to the next life when our imagination will come with us and become apparent to everyone.

SEE ALSO How Did it Come to This? (Part 2)

fye

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How is showers of rain the same as plenty of water to drink?
.... Rain which is to purify you of the stain of satan.
.... Your forgeries deceive you.

Djinn are real because. The Quran says they are real.
The Quran is the word of ALLAH does ALLAH have to repeat himself? Or was the misunderstanding simply your own fault?

Allah says they are made from a fire free if smoke....
Is fire physical?
What is fire?
Does fire need oxygen?
ALLAH made cattle for the use of man and the oceans for mankind
So with reason they need oxygen can not use cattle and water for their convience those were for mankind.

Realise we are made from science everything is men are made of dirt jinn of flame yet all life is from water.
Consider what is smoke it's carbon based like us. The verse implies they are not carbon based

Water is not carbon based it is physical you can touch it.

You have to use some chemistry and biology to reason about this

We are created from a chemical reaction and to keep life we have to mantain different reactions happening in repetitive cycles

Consider what element can sustain flame for a long period and not product carbon burn off? Maybe a noble gas of some sort?

Back to unseen martyrs live but you see it not so maybe they have more knowledge of the unseen being unseen themselves remember out blood in our bodies is why we are alive if you've ever slaughtered halal before so all life is connected to water so maybe they also have hydrogen bonds since they would need oxygen.
..... You would have to create a chemical theory of a sustained fire reaction where smoke is not produced to get a better understanding.

I've checked out some chemical reaction on YouTube if you take chemistry watch those chemist on YouTube mess with metals my favorite is burning mercury ii thaynite (if I spelled it right). We are mud clay what can be added to water to produce flame beside sodium maybe they are sodium based?

You kinda get my method at least?

IAMOP

The ayat are clear stating kfr jinn will go to the Fire but will Allah send all jinn to the fire? No

3828 Shall We treat those who believe and do good like the mischief-makers in the earth? Or shall We make those who guard (against evil) like the wicked?

As you can see in the ch72 many jinn surrender to Allah. It is only the hosts of the Iblis/Satan which are the jinn which end up in the Fire and not all jinn follow/shirk with the Iblis.

imrankhawaja

So now, question is

(1) Either Iblees is both Jinn and malaika
(2) or Iblees is just Jinn

Can someone provide a proof by contradiction? This is the method Allah has prescribed - the Truth contradicts all falsehood yet is free from contradiction in relation to itself.
482 (Sarwar) - Will they not ponder on the Quran? Had it not come from someone other than God, they would have certainly found therein many contradictions.

there is not even a single contradiction in quran alhamdulliah.

as far your question. indeed he was one of the jinn. that leveled to malika not in a sense of nature but what we can say a sense of authorities.

in eight or nine places allah mention ibless with angels, out of one Allah cleared he was of jinns.

rule of calculation,
player X achieve target in his nineth attempt,

if something is missing in eight verses nineth one is there to join this missing link.1850.

out of other verses not a single verse claim iblees was angel by nature, so obviously he was of jinn with free willl power,

that thing clear the picture more broadly , thats why he used his will to go against the command of lord , as we know angels are not programmed to go against Allah.he proved himself a dishonest worshipper , thats what the plan of Allah. And Allah knows what nobody knows.

this story is not a fairy tale or to amuse us or to give us a lecture , this is the the originality of test of faith, and in this life everybody will encounter in some different shapes, be ready and specially when the enemy is keeping an eye on you to distract.

peace.

Jafar

The so-called "Djinn" might be a non carbon based life being.. living on our earth..
The existence of so called "being" exist in many legend across varying culture on earth, each of them has different names for such being. The worldwide legend also state that there are "good djinn" and also "bad djinn"...

Smokeless Fire the only hint for smokeless fire is the sun...
And we have gained so many knowledge compared to 1400 years ago, we now know much better about how the sun works and what's inside of it.. and came up with different word for it PLASMA

The so-called Djinn might be a PLASMA based living being on our earth..

Also add to the fact that the majority of the planet on this universe might actually a gas blob... such as Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune. The majority of life form on this universe might / can be actually plasma / gas based life being.

Man_of_Faith

True, Jafar, al-jinn refers to the bodily. And Jinn is made of "force matter" (energetically charged) also known as Nuwr which has been erroneously interpreted as fire by some medieval clerics when its closest resemblance is heat, sparkle, energy or force. "(its) Integrity Is Substantial" is the morphological breakdown of Nun-waw-Ra somehow referring to that it has a strong affection or force. Someone's sparkle within their spirit can also be referred to as naara.

Moses on the mountain senses a force or energy coming from the mountain and that is what he PERCEIVES and not sees, the word used means perceive which can be mentally. I worked on deciphering the ancient Arabic personally at a point and the passage says he senses an energy coming from the mountain where he walks up to alone. There he feels this energy ("Integrity Be Substantial&quot speaking to him. It is like an anomaly in this projected world in which we live. It was no silly burning bush which spoke to him as if God needs a fire to communicate as the Zoroastrians believe. Islam's interpreters were tainted by Zoroastrianism and Islam is biased by it (because they were Persians who fabricated Islam).

When the ancient tongue says you have to "feel the fire in Jahennom" it refers to "feel the force (grip) of 'Attachment to bodily'" which the "painting" language of Aramaic and Arabic says through the word 'Jahennom' (which uses the same root as jinn). Ignorant clerics changed it to something else, but it refers to reincarnation in this world through remaining to be bonded with it rather than released.

The bodily with its Satan (instinct or 'enter firmly&#039 strongly entices its victims to enter firmly into the Nuwr that you remain al-jinn (bodily), i.e. in Jahennom which is a condition not precisely a location albeit it obviously it is a whereabout. The World in which we live was made to be corrupting and consume its deluded inhabitants. That was part of a phase of development, a trial of the seed of 'Who Is' (Allah). We were placed as being of the Spirit inside a contradiction that deludes us into thinking we have an identity as these bodies we are within. But the body is not the real you nor are you of this world, except if you choose it in which case you get more of it, but that is not the successful outcome. "Successful are the ones who manage to not have their roots in this world" (a Rabb parable mentioned in chapter 36, real interpretation), "they let not themselves be suffocated by what is in it" (analogical language where Rabb compares a plant life with the human development of their Spirit). The failures are compared with seeds that are in daylight but reside in darkness while the daylight is on and then they never come to completion and fade away as withering old.

Darkness ( Za-Lam-Miim) in Arabic is also a word metaphorically used to symbolize ignorance in everyday usage. If you do something Zalam it means you did something ignorant.

Ebless is not the name of a person. It is just a twist by imaginative clerics in order to make a context comprehensive. It is used as a standard word where it occurs in Quran. The word means to "be broken off from" and in in the case of chapter 2 it says "broken off/confounded from the Father" (Creator), but the interpreters have ignored that the word for father is used there. The language means the condition in which we usually are (except those who have understood what I write about) where we do not know we have a relationship with Rabb. Jesus referred to it as "son of the Father" and said that if people heeded his words they would be the Father's children, i.e. sons and daughters. The link has nothing to do with the physical, it is on spiritual level, the abstract sparkle (naara) of yours within you).

Be well
Amenuel

fye

The so-called "Djinn" might be a non carbon based life being.. living on our earth..
The existence of so called "being" exist in many legend across varying culture on earth, each of them has different names for such being. The worldwide legend also state that there are "good djinn" and also "bad djinn"...

Smokeless Fire the only hint for smokeless fire is the sun...
And we have gained so many knowledge compared to 1400 years ago, we now know much better about how the sun works and what's inside of it.. and came up with different word for it PLASMA

The so-called Djinn might be a PLASMA based living being on our earth..

Also add to the fact that the majority of the planet on this universe might actually a gas blob... such as Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune. The majority of life form on this universe might / can be actually plasma / gas based life being.

Right good point but what is the gas contained in? Any guesses? I see from biology that most creatures are multi-cellular but some bother me like slugs and snails are they mono cellular?

Also what kind if nerve system is not solid? How can a djinn be simply made of gas gas is just a bunch of bouncing atoms like helium in a balloon compared to helium in a frozen balloon.
What carries their nerve pulses to their limbs and body?
Nothing is simply made out of magic lol like a computer things connecting to other things is how we work.

Also the earth give an example of living creatures. Systems connecting to systems one keeping the other going the water cycle is intertwined with any wind systems and the earths plates moving is what moves water things going from solid to liquid like lava and stones.

How would one construct a djinn? What atoms would natural ly come together in a heated environment?

Read the book of genesis first chapter.
The atoms were put in motion and moved to make what is most convenient in an environment like space (a sphere the easiest shape for atoms to form in a no gravity space , take that flat earthers lolz)

Hydrogen bonds easiest with oxygen so like magnets the electrons spin out waves and when a wave hits a wave promising stability they begin to spin toward so be another the one with less mass will move faster toward the other.

Everything was but smoke (or dust) and ALLAH said come together willingly or unwillingly. Which of the two hydrogen and oxygen is considered unwilling?

Now sorry for long post..
But were the djinn created before this? The cloud of smoke that bonded into the sphere called earth? The verse said a fire "free" of smoke and also all that fortune telling astrology and ascending toward the exalted assembly (which may be a reference toward a group of stars like a cluster)

May think are just space creatures floating in space like bacteria like fish in water fire (like a thruster) moving them around.
Also a piercing fire is a shooting star piercing bright for all to see.

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Can fire creatures even exist on a water-based planet? Our atmosphere is water based?
Maybe ALLAH made them out of heat (fire being a combustion thereof)
From his own light ALLAH being the truth and light of the heavens and earth surah nur but there is a surah speaking of people inventing a blood relationship between ALLAH and the djinn knowing ALLAH will judge them.

Read more Quran the verse bounce you around to a more certain truth.

fye

Sorry also the book of genesis speaks of giants and men and them having children yet this is before the great flood of Noah.

hawk99

Peace Mr IAMOP, so what or who do these physical jinn look like? hmm

peace