Are Malaika angels?
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Yes, fye, Melak means master or ruler.
Miim-Lam-Kaf = to rule/command/reign, be capable, to control, power/authority, king, kingdom.
Source F-Arabic Root Dictionary
Melaikat has a suffix -t and a predicate/object carrier -ye , where is used to mark object in plural whereas it would have been singular/uncountable with (teh), i.e. melaikat are rulers in plural. This is against Islamic dogma and thus clerics have had to distort the meaning always attributed to the phenomenon which is called angels in English since in the Islamic doctrine Allah has no associates.
It does not end there either but successful humans are to be melaikat if they pass the test in this world, totally heretical against the Islamic dogma but compatible with what Jesus teaches in the Biblical Gospels.
Be well,
Amenuel -
Yes, fye, Melak means master or ruler.
Miim-Lam-Kaf = to rule/command/reign, be capable, to control, power/authority, king, kingdom.
Source F-Arabic Root Dictionary
Melaikat has a suffix -t and a predicate/object carrier -ye , where is used to mark object in plural whereas it would have been singular/uncountable with (teh), i.e. melaikat are rulers in plural. This is against Islamic dogma and thus clerics have had to distort the meaning always attributed to the phenomenon which is called angels in English since in the Islamic doctrine Allah has no associates.
It does not end there either but successful humans are to be melaikat if they pass the test in this world, totally heretical against the Islamic dogma but compatible with what Jesus teaches in the Biblical Gospels.
Be well,
AmenuelSalaam;
Amenuel, I acknowledge and appreciate your intelligence.
However, this isn't a philosophical forum.
Here Schopenhauer, Nietzsche, Voltaire, etc. have no place. Likewise Lacan, Althusser, Todorov or Derrida here isn't a structuralist-type psychoanalysis forum.
The same about politics here talking about Lenin, Marx, Fanon or intersectional politics make no sense.
What is this forum? To talk about Quran. If we want to dismantle the erroneous conceptions shared by Sunnite or Shiite sects, we must study them from our critical point of view.
I think philosophy is a very serious element against this purpose.
Peace brother.
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Philosophy? It was an explanation on what melak means according to what you asked involving logic and reason, and according to etymology.
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@ tara
.....and one interesting thing yesterday i found there is one word awal before wings and awal mean one.so in other words its a sequence of one two three four and so on, in mathematical language Allah is talking about some scientific or mathematical thing in the shape of set of natural numbers like this 1,2,3,4......
shabbir ahemd translation is not correct according to words original meanings,
Salam imrankhawaja
Where did you see the word awal in the ayat? Do you have any idea what you are talking about?
It shows that you do not know anything about Arabic. A brotherly suggestion to you please learn some Arabic before challenging scholars like Dr. Shabbir Ahmad.
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Salaam;
Amenuel, I acknowledge and appreciate your intelligence.
However, this isn't a philosophical forum.
Here Schopenhauer, Nietzsche, Voltaire, etc. have no place. Likewise Lacan, Althusser, Todorov or Derrida here isn't a structuralist-type psychoanalysis forum.
The same about politics here talking about Lenin, Marx, Fanon or intersectional politics make no sense.
What is this forum? To talk about Quran. If we want to dismantle the erroneous conceptions shared by Sunnite or Shiite sects, we must study them from our critical point of view.
I think philosophy is a very serious element against this purpose.
Peace brother.
Try to focus on the root word which I thought to be Malak or master.
Mof spoke about a few verses in Quran like one saying we just gain mastery surah 3-ish ALLAH knows best.
I don't believe that to be away from the topic I hope that doesn't introduce new and unfounded beliefs.
Another root word thing from the 5or 6 Aran words I know from Quran commentary.
Ilah means God.
ALLAH is almighty God the God or the one God.
The prefix I guess is al-
Why do translators simply say God when the word al-lah is written?
And back to angels
Isn't malakat the realm of the master?
Recall the verse where angels are meantioned holding up ALLAH's throne.
Also the verse where Adam is broght into view of iblis (before his rebellion) and the angels.- at does this denote "place" or realm maybe world? It changes the word master no doubt but how?
Lol first reasoning about djinn and now angels oh yeah this is the seventh heaven there is a verse about the highest heaven or something. Also a verse speaking that ALLAH has set his throne over the seas.
This is where the Quran shows it's balance there is a sea of water and also a sea of stars.
Does anyone know of any more seas or any context clue verses to guide our reasoning.
And also thanks for trying to weed out any philosophical garbage but those men were reasoners they had to start with a truth they exist and reason with other truths until an agreeing fact was found.We have ship's to sail through both the water seas and the star seas and we can reason toward as well has backward these verses had to always be true. A sea is not just a bunch of water it is a collective body of blank water is just implied like with the saying a mustard seed everything surrounding it is implied toward out understanding through reason.
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Philosophy? It was an explanation on what melak means according to what you asked involving logic and reason, and according to etymology.
I'm not talking about this specific issue, but from a general perspective.
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Yes, lostintheworld, but I was talking about this particular issue.
Be well
Amenuel -
Salam imrankhawaja
Where did you see the word awal in the ayat? Do you have any idea what you are talking about?
It shows that you do not know anything about Arabic. A brotherly suggestion to you please learn some Arabic before challenging scholars like Dr. Shabbir Ahmad.
w salam brother,
u did not properly understand what i try to say, sorry for misunderstanding first of all all i cear what i try to say.
i said the root translation meaning prounouncing in arabic http//corpus.quran.com/wordmorphology.jsp?location=(3519)
its Uli which root words are here see another link(1) Noun
(2419) awwala (the) first
(3962) awwala (the) First
(511415) li-awwalin for first of us
(6141 awwala (the) first
(62532) l-awalna (of) the former (people)
(61637) awwalu (the) first
(73826) lilhum about the first of them
(7392) lhum (the) first of them
(714340) awwalu (the) first
(83117) l-awalna (of) the former (people)
(83816) l-awalna (of) the former (people)
(91311) awwala first
(910810) awwali (the) first
(15107) l-awalna (of) the former (people)
(15137) l-awalna (of) the former (people)
(1754) lhum (for) the first of the two
(1771 awwala first
(175113) awwala (the) first
(175910) l-awalna the former (people)
(18489) awwala the first
(185515) l-awalna (of) the former (people)
(20659) awwala the first
(21514) l-awalna (to) the former
(211049) awwala (the) first
(23816) l-awalna the former (people)
(2553) l-awalna (of) the former people
(265110) awwala (the) first
(261375) l-awalna (of) the former (people)
(261964) l-awalna (of) the former (people)
(276812) l-awalna (of) the former (people)
(284310) l-l former
(287010) l-l the first
(3333 l-l the former
(354316) l-awalna (of) the former (people)
(36795) awwala (the) first
(37593) l-l the first
(371686) l-awalna the former (people)
(39124) awwala (the) first
(412115) awwala (the) first
(4366) l-awalna the former (people)
(4387) l-awalna (of) the former (people)
(43817) awwalu (would be the) first
(44355) l-l the first
(44567) l-l the first
(46172 l-awalna (of) the former (people)
(53253) wal-l and the first
(53504) l-l the first
(53565) l-l the former
(56133) l-awalna the former (people)
(56393) l-awalna the former people
(56493) l-awalna the former
(56624) l-l the first
(5732) l-awalu (is) the First
(59211) li-awwali at (the) first
(68157) l-awalna (of) the former (people)
(77163) l-awalna the former (people)
(77385) wal-awalna and the former (people)
(79255) wal-l and the first
(83137) l-awalna (of) the former (people)
(92134) wal-l and the first (life)
(9345) l-l the first
(2) Adjective
(98321) awwala (the) first
(91002) l-awalna the first
(16249) l-awalna (of) the ancient
(20217) l-l the former
(20515) l-l (of) the former
(2013313) l-l the former
(232426) l-awalna our forefathers
(236810) l-awalna (to) their forefathers
(238312) l-awalna (of) the former (people)
(26265) l-awalna (of) your forefathers
(261845) l-awalna the former
(283617) l-awalna our forefathers
(37172) l-awalna former
(37715) l-awalna (of) the former (people)
(371265) l-awalna (of) your forefathers
(44810) l-awalna the former
(50153) l-awali the first
(56482) l-awalna former
(87185) l-l former
(3) Time adverb
(6946) awwala (the) first
(6110 awwala (the) first
Noun
(21795) yul O men
(21972 yul O men
(226915) ul those
(3745) ul men
(3132 li-ul for the owners
(3189) wa-ul and owners
(319010) li-ul for men
(484) ul (of)
(459 wa-ul and those
(48315) ul those
(4957) ul the ones (who are)
(510012) yul O men
(87510) wa-ul But those
(98611) ul (the) men
(911311) ul near of kin
(111167) ul those possessing a remnant
(121116) li-ul for men
(131914) ul men
(145212) ul men
(1759) ul those of great military might
(2054 li-ul for possessors
(2012816) li-ul for possessors
(24223) ul those of virtue
(24229) ul (to) the near of kin
(243151) ul having no physical desire
(24449) li-ul for those who have vision
(27333) ul (are) possessors
(27335) wa-ul and possessors
(287617) ul possessors of great strength
(336 wa-ul And possessors
(3519) ul having wings
(3829 ul those of understanding
(38439) li-ul for those of understanding
(38456) ul possessors
(39923) ul those of understanding
(391812) ul the men of understanding
(392130) li-ul for those of understanding
(40543) li-ul for those
(46354) ul those of determination
(4816 ul possessors of military might
(59239) yul O those endowed
(65415) wa-ultu And those who (are)
(65613) ulti those (who are)
(6510 yul O men
(73113) ul possessors
Noun
(2494) li (the) people
(2507) la (the) people
(224817) lu (by the) family
(224819) walu and family
(3112) li (of the) people
(3336) wala and (the) family
(333 wala and (the) family
(45412) la (the) family
(71303) la (the) people
(71414) li (the) people
(8522) li (of) people
(8542) li (of) people
(85413) la (the) people
(12612) li (the) family
(14612) li (the) people
(15592) la the family
(15613) la (to the) family
(1964) li (the) family
(27569) la (the) family
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and can you see a clear difference in all these places only this one verse is giving different meaning from the rest of the quran.
when i was saying awal mean one what i told you was transaltion meaning of this word
yes arabic is not my first language but i have a little bit knowledge about it .in my school they teach us as second language , and more over my own mother languages urdu and punjabi also derived from arabic , lot of words of arabic are same in my language ,
anyway apart from my knowledge you can clearly see only in one place it meaning are interpreted as wings and on all other places its same idea of first, former ,one as a meaning , and this verse is 35 1
now come to the point of shabbir ahmed , i did not challange him niether i said anybody wrong ever , i told according to his views he missed literal meaning of words pronounce like uli, and arabic words
(35111)
mathn
two where is this word in shabbir ahmed translation.(35112)
wathultha
or three where is this word in shabbir ahmed translation.(35113)
waruba
or four. where is this word in shabbir ahmed translation.even is somebody have no understanding regarding arabic but todays websites like this solved lot of problems , thanx To God who gives everybody eyes brain and sense , jazak Allah
God bless you brother , i m a student like you no body can intereprete the actual meaning of quran apart from God, so thats y lot of interpretaation of here in the market so that we can cheeck,
if you properly understand all this what i m tryinng to say there is something fishy about the wings(Allah knows best) , that what tara asked , that was our subject was .
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Actually it was quite inappropriate to call it philosophical viewpoint since I was factual, Zulf. I listed definitions for Miim-Lam-Kaf (Mi-La-K) plus made logical remarks concerning Melaikat being without free will considered the etymological root (king/ruler).
Be well
Amenuel -
Peace everyone,
Here are some more verses regarding Malaika (commonly translated as angels).
The Monotheist Group 5327 Those who disbelieve in the Hereafter name the Malaika (angels) with feminine names.
Shabbir Ahmed 5327 Only those who do not believe in the Hereafter consider the Malaika (forces in Nature) as flying female beings and name them with female names.
The Monotheist Group 1740 Has your Lord preferred for you the males, while He takes the females as Malaika (angels)? You are indeed saying a grave thing!
Also, the Quran suggests that humans have not witnessed the creation of Malaika. In other words, the Quran suggests that humans don't know what Malaika look like.
The Monotheist Group 4319 And they have claimed the Malaika (angels) who are with the Almighty are females! Have they been made witness to their creation? We will record their testimony, and they will be asked.
We can see in verse 4319 that humans have not been made witness to the creation of Malaika. Thus, the Quran suggests that humans don't know what Malaika look like.
It seems that those who say that Malaika are females or human-like creatures have based their views purely on conjecture.
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It is true that a lot of people often depict beautiful and clement females as angels and that is for some reason the connotation for them.
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To most people, most things are philosophical. Unless we have practical and direct experience, it would be not much more than theory and philosophy. It seems to me also that it is usually the ones who have least practical knowledge and experience that are most aggressive in defending their stance. It is probably like this because if it is just an idea, which you identify with and build your personality from, then criticism of this idea is fatal and you will defend it will full force. However, if you have practical knowledge and experience of something, then there is not such a great need to defend it... because you know it is real no matter what people say.
So, that was some half off topic philosophy from my side.Regarding angels... I find it funny how people take them as female. The gender thing is amazing, as this means that such angel species would also have males, and produce children, because this is what sex/gender is all about. It's about mixing DNA for offspring. Perhaps some people do think angels are beings that copulate and give birth to children. But it cannot be done with only females though, unless they are lesbians who auto-replicate or something like that. Reminds me about the so called 72 virgins.... and that it is also claimed that most inhabitants of hell are female. So, basically, both hell and heaven are jam packed by females. Sounds like a pathetic male fantasy.
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more over angels dnt need to classified as gender , its applied to humanity, we give birth and get died, angels are creation that cant go agiasnt the commandments of God. hence its not imp they need to be male and female for giving birth to angels, they are probabbly not begotten creation, its you can say laws of nature, like the death and birth of new and old stars in universe called supernova, evry cration have different set of rules and regulation,
in simple words we cant see the chemistry behind the nature of angels apart from which allah already told us,
allah knows best,
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Redundant post. Apologize
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All life is created with water this is the chemistry. Plant life stones which crystals grow from stars planets.
Hydrogen bonds. Angels must have them too also messengers with wings and 50,000 years or days verse a that give structure and weight with a few other verses.
Like mof and imran said they are not female which also means what ever water is in their bodies does not need to be released or purified. In the verse of prophet Abraham's guest they did not need to take in Any new proteins or waters which was offered to them.
They appear as men in all respects wieners too lol verse of Mary and the prophecy. They brought her food they can interact with hydrogen bonded materials they have to be solid to some point. They drive the clouds acroos the sky another verse
They can blind crowds of men very motivated men. They can produced light or energy from their forms ( maybe when all energy is used they simply go) yet there is a verse speaking of angels and such beings as live forever. The verse of Adam and iblis djinn are fire based so fire dies.Light doesn't die it does get asorbed into other life like a plant for photo-feeding. What is light? Rays.. Of what from where? It takes 8 minutes for sunlight to reach earth every morning so if anyone has a really big calculator set up a proportion
8 mins is equal to 50,000 years then denominator light years from earth to Sun equal to earth to heaven distance.The proportion is the mathematic parable if only a reasoning was so clearly explained.
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Reminds me about the so called 72 virgins.... and that it is also claimed that most inhabitants of hell are female. So, basically, both hell and heaven are jam packed by females. Sounds like a pathetic male fantasy.
Hi bro,
No it's not a male fantasy, there is a logical explanation.
- Every soul will get what it earns. (source quran)
- There are 73 sects and only 1 of them is going to heaven. (source hadith)
- Reward for beating 1 sect is equal to 1 virgin (source Bender logic)
I am very sure you can do math yourself now.
peace
btw this only explains the abundance of females in heaven. I am still pondering on the hell, but I am very sure there is also a logical explanation which has nothing to do with male fantasies.
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Well hell might be like in joke fromm some timme ago of a man who wanted to loose weight.
They set him at the bottom of the tallest building in the city and in front of him there appears a woman such as I guess the 72virginers imagine them and the man is told, if you catch her she is yours. So the lady starts climbing stairs like a whirlwind and hte man running behind with all his kilos.
That way he improves tha ratio height/width, and he tells himself, the one for tomorrow a will sure catch her.
Tomorrow comes, and the man all happy goes to the bottom of the said building, there appears a man powerfull like a gorilla and approximately as beautiful, and the man is told see that man? If he catches you, you are his.
So he indeed lost weight.
This is no digression, I imagine for the 72virginers, hell must be the second phase of loosing weight. It is grat to imagine it rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl
Salaam