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Are Malaika angels?

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    Man_of_Faith
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    Actually it was quite inappropriate to call it philosophical viewpoint since I was factual, Zulf. I listed definitions for Miim-Lam-Kaf (Mi-La-K) plus made logical remarks concerning Melaikat being without free will considered the etymological root (king/ruler).

    Be well
    Amenuel

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      Taro_Hiroshi
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      Peace everyone,

      Here are some more verses regarding Malaika (commonly translated as angels).

      The Monotheist Group 5327 Those who disbelieve in the Hereafter name the Malaika (angels) with feminine names.

      Shabbir Ahmed 5327 Only those who do not believe in the Hereafter consider the Malaika (forces in Nature) as flying female beings and name them with female names.

      The Monotheist Group 1740 Has your Lord preferred for you the males, while He takes the females as Malaika (angels)? You are indeed saying a grave thing!

      Also, the Quran suggests that humans have not witnessed the creation of Malaika. In other words, the Quran suggests that humans don't know what Malaika look like.

      The Monotheist Group 4319 And they have claimed the Malaika (angels) who are with the Almighty are females! Have they been made witness to their creation? We will record their testimony, and they will be asked.

      We can see in verse 4319 that humans have not been made witness to the creation of Malaika. Thus, the Quran suggests that humans don't know what Malaika look like.

      It seems that those who say that Malaika are females or human-like creatures have based their views purely on conjecture.

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        Man_of_Faith
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        It is true that a lot of people often depict beautiful and clement females as angels and that is for some reason the connotation for them.

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          fye
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          Wait you like Val kires? From Valhalla?
          Can some give me a short wiki connecting that to monotheistic beliefs Islam has a similar thing 28th malaika

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            Zulf
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            To most people, most things are philosophical. Unless we have practical and direct experience, it would be not much more than theory and philosophy. It seems to me also that it is usually the ones who have least practical knowledge and experience that are most aggressive in defending their stance. It is probably like this because if it is just an idea, which you identify with and build your personality from, then criticism of this idea is fatal and you will defend it will full force. However, if you have practical knowledge and experience of something, then there is not such a great need to defend it... because you know it is real no matter what people say.
            So, that was some half off topic philosophy from my side.

            Regarding angels... I find it funny how people take them as female. The gender thing is amazing, as this means that such angel species would also have males, and produce children, because this is what sex/gender is all about. It's about mixing DNA for offspring. Perhaps some people do think angels are beings that copulate and give birth to children. But it cannot be done with only females though, unless they are lesbians who auto-replicate or something like that. Reminds me about the so called 72 virgins.... and that it is also claimed that most inhabitants of hell are female. So, basically, both hell and heaven are jam packed by females. Sounds like a pathetic male fantasy.

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              imrankhawaja
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              more over angels dnt need to classified as gender , its applied to humanity, we give birth and get died, angels are creation that cant go agiasnt the commandments of God. hence its not imp they need to be male and female for giving birth to angels, they are probabbly not begotten creation, its you can say laws of nature, like the death and birth of new and old stars in universe called supernova, evry cration have different set of rules and regulation,

              in simple words we cant see the chemistry behind the nature of angels apart from which allah already told us,

              allah knows best,
              peace.

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                Man_of_Faith
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                Redundant post. Apologize

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                  fye
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                  All life is created with water this is the chemistry. Plant life stones which crystals grow from stars planets.
                  Hydrogen bonds. Angels must have them too also messengers with wings and 50,000 years or days verse a that give structure and weight with a few other verses.
                  Like mof and imran said they are not female which also means what ever water is in their bodies does not need to be released or purified. In the verse of prophet Abraham's guest they did not need to take in Any new proteins or waters which was offered to them.
                  They appear as men in all respects wieners too lol verse of Mary and the prophecy. They brought her food they can interact with hydrogen bonded materials they have to be solid to some point. They drive the clouds acroos the sky another verse
                  They can blind crowds of men very motivated men. They can produced light or energy from their forms ( maybe when all energy is used they simply go) yet there is a verse speaking of angels and such beings as live forever. The verse of Adam and iblis djinn are fire based so fire dies.

                  Light doesn't die it does get asorbed into other life like a plant for photo-feeding. What is light? Rays.. Of what from where? It takes 8 minutes for sunlight to reach earth every morning so if anyone has a really big calculator set up a proportion
                  8 mins is equal to 50,000 years then denominator light years from earth to Sun equal to earth to heaven distance.

                  The proportion is the mathematic parable if only a reasoning was so clearly explained.

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                    Bender
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                    Reminds me about the so called 72 virgins.... and that it is also claimed that most inhabitants of hell are female. So, basically, both hell and heaven are jam packed by females. Sounds like a pathetic male fantasy.

                    Hi bro,

                    No it's not a male fantasy, there is a logical explanation.

                    • Every soul will get what it earns. (source quran)
                    • There are 73 sects and only 1 of them is going to heaven. (source hadith)
                    • Reward for beating 1 sect is equal to 1 virgin (source Bender logic)

                    I am very sure you can do math yourself now.

                    peace

                    btw this only explains the abundance of females in heaven. I am still pondering on the hell, but I am very sure there is also a logical explanation which has nothing to do with male fantasies.

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                      huruf
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                      Well hell might be like in joke fromm some timme ago of a man who wanted to loose weight.

                      They set him at the bottom of the tallest building in the city and in front of him there appears a woman such as I guess the 72virginers imagine them and the man is told, if you catch her she is yours. So the lady starts climbing stairs like a whirlwind and hte man running behind with all his kilos.

                      That way he improves tha ratio height/width, and he tells himself, the one for tomorrow a will sure catch her.

                      Tomorrow comes, and the man all happy goes to the bottom of the said building, there appears a man powerfull like a gorilla and approximately as beautiful, and the man is told see that man? If he catches you, you are his.

                      So he indeed lost weight.

                      This is no digression, I imagine for the 72virginers, hell must be the second phase of loosing weight. It is grat to imagine it rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl

                      Salaam

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                        imrankhawaja
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                        hell will be full with womens more than man (source hadith)

                        every where , every dimenshen females are in abundance,

                        72 virgins, rotfl

                        for what purpose , i dnt think so we will have same bodies what we have in this worldy life, niether we were in need of anything like birth, hunger, fear, these are the tests of life, hereafter paradise/hell is results of this life, result day some faces are happy some are sad,

                        some times i see a song , called i got you baby by duke daramount,

                        i feel thats the most what we can think about relaxation, like having girl in arms or cup of wine , music , fruits so on, again i will say all these are examples what makes us feel goodd inn worldy life and needs,

                        but for paradise it will be a surpprise for the eyes , and its totally secret and hidden from the perception of human mind, i dnt really know, but i hope it will some good.and tasty,lol

                        peace

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                          huwa
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                          Peace everyone,

                          According to "traditional islam" malaika means angels (female creatures with wings). But does the Quranic evidence suggests that the word Malaika means angels (female creatures with wings)?

                          Quran 37150 Or did We create the Malaika as females while they witnessed?

                          Quran 4319 And they have claimed the angels who are with the Almighty are females! Have they been made witness to their creation? We will record their testimony, and they will be asked.

                          Quran 69 And (even] if We had appointed an angel as Our message-bearer, We would certainly have made him a man - and thus We would only have confused them in the same way as they are now confusing themselves.

                          Also see the two different translations of the word Malaika in verse 351 below.

                          Shabbir Ahmed 351 All praise is due to God, the Originator of all Highs and Lows. He appoints His universal forces, having multiple functions e.g. message-bearers. He increases in creation as He wills. Certainly, God has appointed due measure for all things and events.

                          Monotheist translation 351 Praise be to God, Initiator of the heavens and the earth; maker of the angels as messengers with wings of two, and three, and four. He increases in the creation as He wishes. God is able to do all things.

                          Are Malaika angels? And do Malaika have wings? It would be interesting to hear your thoughts and opinions regarding this topic.

                          MALAKA in aramaic means Queen!

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                            Recluse
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                            Nobody really knows for sure, we only know that we must "believe" that they exist in order to enter eternal Heaven.

                            Basically, we must "believe" in something that we don't even know what it is that we are supposed to believe, or why, in order to be saved from God's wrath...

                            Does that really make any sense to you?

                            Peace

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                              hawk99
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                              Nobody really knows for sure, we only know that we must "believe" that they exist in order to enter eternal Heaven.

                              Basically, we must "believe" in something that we don't even know what it is that we are supposed to believe, or why, in order to be saved from God's wrath...

                              Does that really make any sense to you?

                              Peace

                              Peace Recluse atheist make your same argument about Allah also! hmm

                              peace

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                                Recluse
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                                Peace Recluse atheist make your same argument about Allah also! hmm

                                peace

                                Peace Hawk,

                                Well, that's their own opinion.. atheism doesn't make sense to me, if it did, I would have become one too. I don't believe that we must believe in God to be "saved" though. I don't believe in God out of fear....

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                                  good_logic
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                                  Peace Recluse.

                                  Can you describe "God" the one you believe in?

                                  Can you provide the source/evidence of your belief or why you believe in God?

                                  Thank you.
                                  GOD bless you.
                                  Peace.

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                                    imrankhawaja
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                                    I don't believe that we must believe in God to be "saved" though. I don't believe in God out of fear....

                                    i dnt beleive in examiner to get pass i am brilliant student ,
                                    i dnt beleive in doctor to treat me , posiibly he will kill me,
                                    i dnt beleive in paying system of electricity its a natural process of water handling , y i pay tax,

                                    but i require an examiiner to give me certification , that i m a brilliant student , so that people will acceppt this certification.
                                    i also require doctor to treat me, there is no other option while as we know we are unconsious regarding surgery,
                                    i also require electricty , if i did not pay it, they will cut it off, if i go to court , and claiming its the water process , they will fail my claim, again i have to go back to company give them their dues and enjoy electricty as i need it badly, my everything is connecting with all of this,,,

                                    when these small wordly matters cant done without procedures, so whats about God who is master over allthings,

                                    i want to know about the God what you think ,

                                    peace

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                                      Man_of_Faith
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                                      Good logic,

                                      I would say Recluse would like to believe in an intelligent one.

                                      Be well
                                      Amenuel

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                                        Recluse
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                                        Peace Recluse.

                                        Can you describe "God" the one you believe in?

                                        Can you provide the source/evidence of your belief or why you believe in God?

                                        Thank you.
                                        GOD bless you.
                                        Peace.

                                        Peace good logic,

                                        There is no evidence of God and certainly not in some book. It's a conviction based on observation of the universe, DNA, life.
                                        Hence, it's impossible to 'describe' God, or know with certainty whether He intervenes in our lives, and if so, to what extent etc.

                                        Nobody has evidence of God's existance, do you?

                                        I also don't think 'belief in God' is necessary for 'salvation'. However, as science continues to advance we might one day have much stronger evidence of God, who knows?

                                        Peace

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                                          good_logic
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                                          Peace Recluse.
                                          Thank you for your explanation. However I disagree with you, I find there is evidence of "God"s existence in His message- Qoran-. You asked me,quote
                                          Nobody has evidence of God's existance, do you?
                                          According to my understanding and my evidence ,please allow me give you some of GOD s attributes,described for us in His message to get to know God better
                                          3967 Greatness of GOD

                                          Our universe, with its billion galaxies, a billion trillion stars, uncountable decillions of heavenly bodies, spanning many billions of light-years, is the smallest and innermost of seven universes. This incomprehensible vastness of the seven universes is within God's hand. Such is the greatness of GOD.

                                          Here are some more verses

                                          In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. (Allah, Al-Rahman, Al-Raheem)

                                          Praise be to God, Lord of the universe. (Rabbul-Alameen)

                                          Master of the Day of Judgment. (Maliki yawmiddeen)

                                          Proclaim, "He is the One and only God. (Ahad)

                                          "The Absolute God. (Al-Samad)

                                          He is the Alpha and the Omega. He is the Outermost and the Innermost. He is fully aware of all things. (Al-Awwal, Al-Aakher, Al-Thaher, Al-Baten)

                                          God there is no god except He; the Living, the Eternal. (Al-Hay, Al-Qayioom)

                                          He is the One God; there is no other god beside Him. The King, the Most Sacred, the Peace, the Most Faithful, the Supreme, the Almighty, the Most Powerful, the Most Dignified. God be glorified; far above having partners. (Al-Malik, Al- Quddoos, Al-Salaam, Al-Moumen, Al-Muhaymen, Al-Azeez, Al-Jabbar, Al-Mutakabber)

                                          He is the One God; the Creator, the Initiator, the Designer. To Him belong the most beautiful names. Glorifying Him is everything in the heavens and the earth. He is the Almighty, Most Wise. (Al-Khaliq, Al-Barea, Al-Musawwer)

                                          It is a fact that God is the Truth (Al-Haq), while the setting up of any idols beside Him constitutes a falsehood, and that God is the Most High, the Supreme. (Al- Alei, Al-Kabeer)

                                          .... God is the best Protector, and, of all the merciful ones, He is the Most Merciful." (Khayru Hafethan)

                                          To God belongs the east and the west; wherever you go there will be the presence of God. God is Omnipresent, Omniscient. (Wasea)

                                          He is Supreme over His creatures. He is the Most Wise, the Cognizant. (Al-Qaher)

                                          And many more verses clarifying GOD s attributes for us.
                                          Brother, I am certain GOD exists and I have solid proof that Qoran is GOD s message to you , me and everyone else.
                                          Of course you are entitled to your opinions as well.
                                          Thank you brother.
                                          GOD bless you.
                                          Peace.

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