Does the time of death changes because of prayer and imploring God?
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Is the time of death predetermined or does it change if one implores God and ask for an extension?
According to the 3145 it seems to be predetermined. However according to 37139-145 it seems to change if one implores God and asks for more time. What is your opinion? I am looking for answers based on Quran only, and not anything else outside of Quran. Thanks in advance for your input.3145 "It is not permitted for a person to die except by the permission
of God in an appointed record. "37139 And Jonah was one of the messengers.
37140 When he escaped to the charged ship.
37141 And he was guilty, so he became among the losers.
37142 Thus a whale swallowed him, and he was the one to blame.
37143 And had it not been that he was one of those who implored,
37144 He would have stayed in its belly until the Day of Resurrection.
37145 So We threw him on the shore while he was sick. -
Peace,
Looks like we're back to the predestination argument again. ;D
IMO we are always able to change our fates through changing ourselves.
Hm... maybe the verse 3145 doesn't have to be directly addressing predestination. Maybe the "appointed record" is just the fact that it is predetermined that we as humans do not have the capabilities to live forever, and we will all die eventually. Our organs will become weak and stop functioning, if anything else. It's hard to fathom, but I'm sure, like all other species, humanity is going to die out one day. As a human race we will be no more. But how and when we individually die, well, that's different, and obviously that varies from person to person, and from choice to choice.
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Is the time of death predetermined or does it change if one implores God and ask for an extension?
According to the 3145 it seems to be predetermined. However according to 37139-145 it seems to change if one implores God and asks for more time. What is your opinion? I am looking for answers based on Quran only, and not anything else outside of Quran. Thanks in advance for your input.3145 "It is not permitted for a person to die except by the permission
of God in an appointed record. "37139 And Jonah was one of the messengers.
37140 When he escaped to the charged ship.
37141 And he was guilty, so he became among the losers.
37142 Thus a whale swallowed him, and he was the one to blame.
37143 And had it not been that he was one of those who implored,
37144 He would have stayed in its belly until the Day of Resurrection.
37145 So We threw him on the shore while he was sick.Peace mike,
I'll start of by saying that at God, anything is possible. The question you put forward though is one of the deep, murky ones submerged entirely in interpretation and guess-work. This is because human beings have limited, linear perception. When you talk about God, linear ideas of predestination, chance, etc etc all break down to being un-workable, because of our perception limitations.
But to stay on-topic, answering within the limitations I pointed out
3145 "It is not permitted for a person to die except by the permission of God in an appointed record. "
I interpret that as a pointer towards predestination and chance working together. We know that no human being lives without death, so we know that all have limited life-spans - limited meaning it is defined and thus determined.
So say a normal, healthy person X fell off their balcony, let's say the fall was bad. Now let's say they died - then it was because God permitted it, let's say they survived - then it was because God did not permit them to die.
Both of these cases dont change the actual predetermined life-span of person X (also determined by God).
God's permitting events and ordaining certain/all events is a poorly understood subject, though as I stated, these are features of the limited human linear perception. I do think that it is clear that how we try to understand "predestination" or lack of and how we make mental constructs is completely off to how these things actually are.