An essay: Who created God?
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Who created God?
Over the last few years I have had some conversations about theological matters with atheists and agnostics. And a question I have been asked is this "Who created God?"
It seems that many atheists reject the fact that there is "one God" just because they don't believe that something can exist without being created.
These are ideas that an atheist might ponder upon
If there is only one God, then which entity created it? If an entity created God, then this means that another creator (another God) has existed in the past but vanished, or has existed in the past and still exists. If another creator has existed in the past but vanished, or has existed in the past and still exists, then this means that the notion that there has always been only "one God", is false.
This is why I believe that atheists are wrong in regards to monotheism
In my opinion, there has always been only "one God". And the reason why I believe that there has always been only "one God", is because the Quran suggests that the God was not begotten.
Quran 1123 He does not beget, nor was He begotten.
According to the above-mentioned verse, God was not begotten (born). If God was not begotten, then no entity could have created God. If no entity could have created the God, then this means that God is eternal. If God is eternal, then this means that God has no beginning and no end. This reasoning (which is supported by verse 1123 in the Quran) leads me to the conclusion that no entity could have created God. No entity can create that which is eternal (has no beginning and no end). Because it is a logical impossibility to create something which is eternal (has always existed).
Quran 3962 God is the Creator of all things, and He is Guardian over all things.
Quran 4062 That is God, your Lord, Creator of all things. There is no god except He, so why do you deviate?
According to the above-mentioned verses, God is the creator of everything. If God is the creator of everything, then this means that no entity could have created it. Because no entity can create that which has created everything. In other words, no one can create the creator of everything. This reasoning (which is supported by verse 3962 and 4062 in the Quran) leads me to the conclusion that no entity could have created God. Because it is a logical impossibility to create the creator of everything.
So who created God? Nothing. No one. The quranic evidences in this this essay proves that the arguments regarding "the creation of God" are rooted in falsehood.
Note This essay was written in November 2014. It has been edited. A few parts of it has been changed.
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ATHEISTS SHOULD TRY AND EXPLAIN WHY THE UNIVERSE EXPANDS AND IF THEY CAN FIND THIS OUT THAN THEY CAN START THINKING ABOUT GOD
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As usual, nice article Taro. I have come to realize that people have been going wrong about why atheists don't believe in God. Yes, those who think hard can easily come to conclusion that there is a creator. But I believe the entire process of knowing him has been badly communicated with most people on the planet. I blame the authority figures like priests, mullahs and scientists for it. All these people I mentioned have got more respect than they deserve for their so called bank of knowledge. We the average people boosted their ego by tagging them as experts in their fields. This ego thing is quite an addiction for which even when they don't know answers to questions given by their followers they succumb to myths. That basically gives birth to faith. In other words, we are to have faith in what they say. Failure to do so equals to humiliation and insults for us the average people. But who between the priests and scientists is right? Neither. They take away our right to know God personally. Both are corrupted, yet we can't fully blame the honest scientists and atheists. I am excluding Mr Harris and Dawkins from this. But again, only if they knew how it is easy to live a good life just by making some changes in their psychology to connect with God they would have avoided the zionist agenda which also is quite a silly plot and waste of time for all participating in it.
Truth is that everyone can get access to God through their psychology. Only thing needed is to avoid what makes us humans animals. My examples would be pride, ego, anger, bullying, etc. The real art of accessing him is found easily in the Quran. The changes to be made in the mind has to be genuine. That's the way to him. When God says, "believe in me" he does not mean "believe I exist" which unfortunately is how majority of us were taught by the "experts". He actually tells us to get connected to him through tips of how to make psychological changes given in the Quran. That's why, he keeps telling us to follow it. So much can happen when it is done. Quran gives us many signs of that. Here is one
O Children of Israel, remember My favor which I have bestowed upon you and fulfill My covenant that I will fulfill your covenant , and be afraid of Me.240Most tend to think of such ayah as "oh, they were just good people, that's why they were favored. We can never get that because we are bad". Hell no! Anyone can get the favor even now and how to get it is all in the Book. The only thing that seems to be a hurdle is the idea of rituals. The attitude that it has designed goes like this for most "Okay I did my 3/5 times prayers, that's all I need to worship Allah/God, in between nothing else is needed of me". Trust me, that is the general attitude the people of the religions have. This is how we lose him. This is how people are forced to become atheists. I do get their feeling. The priests' and scientists of version of faith is quite funny. I mean its almost staring at broken blank screen of a turned on computer. It is running, but we see nothing.
No one needs science to prove God. He can be proven by positive changes we bring to life by getting connected to him in the mind. No priest and scientist can ever make us know him. He is to be known individually. But of course, it can't be fake and it is not about cutting off hands,having multiple marriages and killing the "infidels".
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I think the main reason why many choose to be atheists is because of the pathetically primitive level of God and that is due to people portraying God as according to their own mind.
That there is no Creator to the Creator is obviously a point that would appear illogical, but then their whole existence as to why they were born is illogical too. Their argument does not hold water because it would mean their whole argument of being alive would fall apart. Instead of asking themselves who created God they could simply ask, "who/what created the primitive cells, did they just emerge out of nothingness?"
I suppose that no matter if they accept God at that point in contemplation they have to accept the world does not appear to have a creator even though it is according to their lack of empirical observation. What I mean is their argument you brought up in the thread is not a valid one as it is only a weak theory as there is no empirical evidence of either case. I would find it a stronger indication to have faith in a God because tiny cells can develop into advanced beings as if the tiny cells have intelligence enough to become more sophisticated and/or because of the integrity of matter and that the interstellar bodies seemed to know how a working planetary system would bring forth working natural laws. I mean, gravity must have needed intelligence to construct to begin with, the whole natural law. It means the argument for something above our existence is stronger than of that there is no God.
It is more probable that atheists reject the notion of God because how primitive those convinced of God's existence make Him/Her because that is a more logically valid argument, but then they are weak as they cannot create their of realm of thinking and make out what God is through own contemplation. They only reason about God as according to external input but cannot think freely themselves, a common human fallacy, so while finding themselves more intelligent they are still primitive.
Be well
Amenuel -
To me this question would go back to the ultimate question of why is there anything instead of there being nothing. NOthing is one of those things that can't be imagined, at leat I can't. If there was nothing, then there wouldn not be a God either But since there is something, we can safely assumethat there is a God, ince most things we know we also know that they are creatd that they did not always exist, therefore whatever there is and ever was is God. and nothing can come from outside of God.
Salaam
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every created thing have a creator,
but God is uncreated by default. so law of creation cannnot applied to him.
right now atheist and we , think by the mind provided to us, its obviously a human mind and human mind always think there must b a start , and this question stick somewhere , where does God start, as we know everything has a start , how can something without start, billions of years ago, multilpy it more billion years, more more more, where does everythinng start?
but if we think he one who created us, know our programming, and what he will reward us hereafter is having no end thats what he said,
again for understanding real nature of God we may have not much answers , how this programming of uncreated work, but may b after this life our minds get advance and we may understand .
closing understanding can be a force of nature thats governs the laws , or a being or a master of everything whatever exist,if there is nothing his own powers can make anything whatever he wishes from nothing, having no shape but in every shape you feel his presence , in every marvel there is a intelligent design or a signature that left u thinking its not a natural selection, its a intelligent design.
look in to the wild life.. how he filled the colors in creatures. our mind stops actually , right know we cannnot understand fully but whatever we understand it amazed us and let us think the almight is something which is very high.. higness is first closing thing come in the mind.
so glorify him instead of investigating.
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To Him belongs the kingship of the heavens and the earth. He controls life and death. He is Omnipotent.
He is the Alpha and the Omega. He is the Outermost and the Innermost. He is fully aware of all things.
He is the One who created the heavens and the earth in six periods. then assumed all authority. He knows everything that enters into the earth, and everything that comes out of it, and everything that comes down from the sky, and everything that climbs into it. He is with you wherever you may be. God is Seer of everything you do.
there are almost ten million species of life, billions of different sun like stars, and more what we have no knowledge,, and see when he was telling all this, he use just a line,, the one who created all this in six youm, thats it,,, amazing enna, he dnt even bother that whatever he created ,
moreover this is the history of universe what we linked in, what we know about his kingdom . this all universe fits in our dimenshion of mind, the time 13.7 billion years all this stuff is for the history what we can analyse on this part of universe.
what he was doing before it. a theory of parallel universe , its looking like all this universe is in a cup of tea for him, how he describe. just in a very simple mode. its nothing for him. so i dnt think so anybody can even get a hint about the nature of such highly advance divinity what we know as our creator .
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Imran,
You tell that one should not investigate?
Of course the world here is marvelously designed, but we can always think of why.
Besides all the awe, there is also cruelty in this world. In fact it is not particularly friendly, even if we rule out the consequences of human acts. Diseases, natural disasters, instinctive compulsive behavior and even pain giving birth. The world is not so very nice actually.
The human following instincts will not be particularly empathetic, and will be primitive, and that is due to the world and not their spirit of their soul.
Be well
Amenuel -
Peace everyone,
Thank you for your posts.
I think all of you raise some good points in your posts.
If you like the essay, please spread the word.
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Besides all the awe, there is also cruelty in this world. In fact it is not particularly friendly, even if we rule out the consequences of human acts. Diseases, natural disasters, instinctive compulsive behavior and even pain giving birth. The world is not so very nice actually
thats our body that feel pain, and tell us its hungry its need to be covered by brands, cloths, shelter , thats what the test of life.. tests are not easy and nobody really like giving exams, but nobody become doctor if he will not give the exam,, not only giving the exam but have to pass the exam as well,,
same criteria for this worldy life there must be tests and pains and exams one need to understannd life is not a bed of roses. its a examination going on due to the need of body and things related to body..
just thinkk for a while if you are a being without body... u will not feel pain, hungry, sex, birth, burden of kids, wearing ,
so was you expecting that type of life.. so where is the purpose then,,we are here due to a reason, and our body is our responsibilty its up to us how we will fill this responsibilty in what manner. there are two ways one is the righteous way other one is dishonest way. results will be acquired by the path what we select..
there is ease after every difficulty... indeed there is ease after every difficulty
peace.
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There is a question i have in mind for atheists about their point of view about birth of universe. The atheist scientists like Lawrence Krauss and Richard Dawkins, they claim universe that came out of nothing. If the universe really did come from nothing then why was there nothing in the first place. I had this in my mind for 3 months.
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There is a question i have in mind for atheists about their point of view about birth of universe. The atheist scientists like Lawrence Krauss and Richard Dawkins, they claim universe that came out of nothing. If the universe really did come from nothing then why was there nothing in the first place. I had this in my mind for 3 months.
according to Richard dawkins universe come in to existence by nothing , he is talking about the matter what we see.. the age of matter and so on.. its our history.. anyway,, make it simple God is the master source of everything . that's why we say him lord owner creator. he created everything from nothing at first place . their theory did not contradict with creation of universe. lets say before bigbang it was smoke... that's what most of the scientist think.. infact its mention in quran as well.. and before smoke scientist think it was nothing ,, its logical, every created thing was nothing . every created thing must started from something and that something was nothing before that something loop go on until nothing.. when there was nothing it was the presence of our lord.. timeless God. every created thing fall in time shape existence .
there are some things if we look around us we better understand. like God told us, its Allah who bring dead out from living and living out of dead..
Allah is alpha and omega
Allah is initiator and repeator..
Allah grasp everything while nothing can grasp Allah( from this its clear everything whatever we observe or not observe is under the system of lord but what nature God have no source can observe)
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There is a question i have in mind for atheists about their point of view about birth of universe. The atheist scientists like Lawrence Krauss and Richard Dawkins, they claim universe that came out of nothing. If the universe really did come from nothing then why was there nothing in the first place. I had this in my mind for 3 months.
It is illogical to say the universe came out of nothing because then it would lack any kind of substance source. Further illogical it is to say nothing could turn into advanced lifeforms without any kind of innate guiding force within the matter, no matter if the God phenomenon itself is pantheistic or non-pantheistic.
Logic helps in making out certain points about the nature of God. For example, there cannot be a creator of the most fundamental platform (Rabb) because through logical deduction it is impossible to be one as the argument just turns into a "loop", it is not possible to find a beginning. It means the argument that Rabb has no beginning nor end, and where Rabb would end is the beginning.
I find it interesting that people like 'Laurence Krauss' and 'Richard Dawkins' seem unable to reason rationally. You would expect such people would harbor a good logic.
Be well
Amenuel -
There is a question i have in mind for atheists about their point of view about birth of universe. The atheist scientists like Lawrence Krauss and Richard Dawkins, they claim universe that came out of nothing. If the universe really did come from nothing then why was there nothing in the first place. I had this in my mind for 3 months.
red It's not scientific to make such statements. That statement explain nothing and is against the most fundamental laws of nature.
welcome to the forum handshake
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Peace Bender,The Sardar.
Richard Dawkins now believes in Intelligent design!
http//www.liveleak.com/view?i=ca5_1226724281
God bless .
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There is a question i have in mind for atheists about their point of view about birth of universe. The atheist scientists like Lawrence Krauss and Richard Dawkins, they claim universe that came out of nothing. If the universe really did come from nothing then why was there nothing in the first place. I had this in my mind for 3 months.
The way the "Semites" portrayed / see their God is Illogical..
Mr. Krauss and Mr. Dawkins were born in the culture which are heavily influenced by the way the Semites see God. (Person like, got angry, doesn't know everything, has enemies, fought war, wrote books, got pissed of if somebody wrote a bad review about His books, got disappointed with Israelites etc..)Thus no wonder they become an "Atheist" ... of Semitic God.
Me too... I'm an atheist of Semitic God.We now know better... even time and space itself is a creation. (read Has beginning and will end it's existence)
As such.. when time itself is a creation, the discussion of time based context is irrelevant..Who Created God? God is there even when there wasn't any "time"...
"Since before time and space were,
The Tao is.
It is beyond is and is not.
How do I know this is true?
I look inside myself and see."
-- Lao Tse, 600 BC"The religion of the future will be a cosmic religion. It should transcend a personal God and avoid dogmas and theology. Covering both the natural and the spiritual, it should be based on a religious sense arising from the experience of all things, natural and spiritual and a meaningful unity. "
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"The religion of the future will be a cosmic religion. It should transcend a personal God and avoid dogmas and theology. Covering both the natural and the spiritual, it should be based on a religious sense arising from the experience of all things, natural and spiritual and a meaningful unity. "
-- Albert EinsteinI found full quote like this on a Bhuddhist site http//www.vimokkha.com/einstein.htm
?The religion of the future will be a cosmic religion. It should transcend a personal god and avoid dogmas and theology. Covering both the natural and the spiritual, it should be based on a religious sense arising from the experience of all things, natural and spiritual and a meaningful unity. Buddhism answers this description. If there is any religion that would cope with modern scientific needs, it would be Buddhism.? Albert Einstein
