THE 1 MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION
-
which new moon,, cresent or full moon.. or brand new moon from another galaxy..
lol no i dont behave like a scholar ... rotfl
i jsut ask verses but you fail to provide..
what does zullhaj, muharram, rajab, december novemeber , january, means .. elektro
hats what i told you already make sure first and take your time.. but you did not pay heed to my advise..
its not my fault ,, some students are weak to learn ,,
i dnt need one million,, if i have to do anything which will help community , i will do it for the sake of God happiness , not for any million or trillion you will offer..
and for the rest of the people,, first show them do you really have one million dollar in your account...lol
and this time you dnt need to show any qurnic verse just ur bank statement with that balance show to them,, may b somebody write an essay for you..First you ask me a question while i asked you a question, do you know this is rude
Second you do behave like you know it all for sure and are behaving like a self made scholar
Third you call me a weak student, because i do not want to believe what you believe, this is manipulation
Forth i see a lot of LOL, maybe you see this as a joke, why keep on posting if this is so funny and if you are right prove it do not keep on answering questions with questions
Fourth as i said in previous post show me an essay or research, because you claim you are doing something for the community
fifth i do not need an essay and would not pay even if i had a million, someone who want to lead the community to a straight path should do a research and post it without seeing any balance on the bank
sixth i do take my time, look how i am waiting very patient to see what kind of people will tell another story and can not back it up with research or an essay
seventh a new moon is a crescent moon and can not be a full moon
eighth are you so bored? that you like to laugh at others and call them weak students
ninth i will look at previous posts and send you some verses, maybe you should do the same and show me that you claim is from the quran
tenth LOL at you -
The start of ramadan is with new moon, so if you have an other opinion than show me how did you come to that conclusion. Also i act as a student, you behave as a scholar. Do not forget that you may be wrong, you should behave as a student and try to learn. What else can this verse mean than what i understood, please tell me. What does ramadan means according to you? Why don't you just show me from Quran that you are right and that there is no discussion possible after your research?
About ramadan i am not sure, but i keep all options open. And i try to learn, but with your comments and posts i do not make any progress. You only ask questions and do not show what you mean, also you do not have a study or am essay on this. The thread is named 1 million dollar question and if you do not have proofs and an essay, you will not get the 1 million dollar.
Everybody got a answer or 2, but who has the full truth, the truth that nobody can reject. Is this so difficult, show me a full research and not discussion. I ask this many times and some do not hear and keep posting questions and posts without full research.
Why don't you answer these questions first
-
The crescent moon i already showed you the verse, about ramadan i am not sure, but you are trying to win from me a discussion and i am muslim for 6 months and you are a muslim whole your life, and you call me weak, while you are the one who is weak and do not show the whole story according you. I asked you many times show some research, but you rather laugh at me and call me a weak student.
-
peace and take more time,, i m also researching it from last five years still unable to come on final exact decison,, all are hints and closing understanding ,,
5 years and you still have no clear answers, tell me who is the weak student?
-
@ guided one have a glass of water .. i can understand ur feelings... yeah
and if its not work then put some water in head ... may b it will make u feel better..
third option is also open brickwall this one but its risky i would not suggest it...
have a good day... and i dnt like to be personal its a forum not a ring of wrestling..
may God bless you..
-
but you are trying to win from me..
no i didnt lol..
-
Hi The Guided One,
May peace be with you.
Below I am providing you with three links that you can use as a part of your research regarding the topic of ramadhan
-
http//quransmessage.com/articles/fasting%20till%20night%20FM3.htm
-
http//quransmessage.com/articles/fasting%20and%20ramadan%20FM3.htm
-
http//quransmessage.com/forum/index.php?topic=221.0
I hope these will help you come to a better understanding regarding some of the questions you have.
Peace.
-
-
Why i think winter is not the time of ramadan is
- This could have not been changed, even if the hadith books came and tried to change this. All Muslims would see the deception and they would reject hadith books.
- In the summer the people did have a lot of vegetables and fruits and after fasting they would have much vitamins and good food, in winter they would have less and mostly they would eat meat. The Quran is for the whole world and not only for Saudi Arabia and the summer is always a time of harvesting and winter is not.
- Fasting is a way to clean the body of toxic matters and in winter there would be less time to get the toxic out, in summer with the long days the body has enough time to get toxic matter out of the body.
I know for some people fasting in summer is very difficult so they try to twist words and make their own ramadan.
-
Hi The Guided One,
May peace be with you.
Below I am providing you with three links that you can use as a part of your research regarding the topic of ramadhan
-
http//quransmessage.com/articles/fasting%20till%20night%20FM3.htm
-
http//quransmessage.com/articles/fasting%20and%20ramadan%20FM3.htm
-
http//quransmessage.com/forum/index.php?topic=221.0
I hope these will help you come to a better understanding regarding some of the questions you have.
Peace.
Selam, and thank you very much
God bless you
Peace
-
-
@ guided one have a glass of water .. i can understand ur feelings... yeah
and if its not work then put some water in head ... may b it will make u feel better..
third option is also open brickwall this one but its risky i would not suggest it...
have a good day... and i dnt like to be personal its a forum not a ring of wrestling..
may God bless you..
i am fasting i will take some water when the time comes to break the fast, you have a drink and have a nice ramadan in december
-
i am fasting i will take some water when the time comes to break the fast, you have a drink and have a nice ramadan in december
ok then may God give you sabar over things.. this is the actual purpose of ramadhan to do sabar and control on things..
God bless you..
indeed God is with them who do sabar(patience).
-
ok then may God give you sabar over things.. this is the actual purpose of ramadhan to do sabar and control on things..
God bless you..
indeed God is with them who do sabar(patience).
God bless you Imran peace
-
God bless you Imran peace
peace handshake
and i m not any scholar my brother just a student and slave of God. but here are people more knowledgeable than me i m presenting their findings according to quran. you may have look into this inshAllah it will help ..
and about beleiving you can decide best whatever you want when u finish doing your study . its nothing harm in it as long as you are honest with your lord..
http//free-minds.org/night-decree
http//free-minds.org/calendars-and-timeGod bless you
and yeh i need one million not in money but in shape of prays and best wishes,,lolxx
-
http//free-minds.org/night-decree
According this article the night of decree is 21 december, when the night is longest. You maybe know or do not know what kind of festival is on 21 december. But i will tell you if you do not know. On 21 december as i remembered is a satanic holiday and Christmas has to do with this celebration and the birth of Jesus has nothing to do with the night of decree. Saturnalia is the name of this festival, this is demonic. So this is not possible that this date has to do with Islam. If it was the longest night in year Allah would have said that it is in the longest night. Please go on youtube and type Saturnalia and you will find out that i speak the truth.
PLEASE WATCH THIS Why was Christmas banned in America until 1820? https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RUd3rOxbEo
Google and search for satanic holidays
Dec 22 Winter Solstice
(Sabbat Festival)
(Feast Day) orgies oral, anal, vaginal any age (male or female, human or animal)The highest ritual holiday is the member's birthday. It usually involves the member or a victim of the member's choice and someone in authority, usually the coven's leader.
The first and third of every month. Put 1 and 3 together and it makes 13, though ritual/worship can occur at anytime, frequently coinciding with times of stress.
All Friday the 13th's are high satanic days.
All full-moon nights provide reason for major occult activity (easiest to move around without difficulty and without being detected).
Holy week (Palm Sunday to Easter Sunday). Some groups are thought to sacrifice, cook and eat a human baby on Easter Sunday.I hope Allah will guide you to the right path and that you leave paganism
La ilahe illa Lah
Saturnalia is for 30 days and you say this is ramadan if you want to know more watch https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyqAmfKCPX0
-
MY CONCLUSION SO FAR
Ramadan can not be in December and not when full moon occurs. This because the pagan traditions as i wrote in previous post and because Allah says to enter out houses from the front and not from the rear, this must mean to start ramadan with a crescent moon, a new moon. Also some things could maybe have changed, but it is not possible that the holy month was changed, Muslims would not have allowed this.
-
i have read perf 558 and nowhere i read that shahr means lunar cycle, maybe i am wrong, correct me if i am. Do you have a full research or essay about ramadan?
Peace
Peace, no research only recently started to investigate was going to study few other topics first like "what possess right hands yours" and others although it's clear from the text it refers to a lunar cycle/period they called then Jumada 1 and likewise we know they had Jumada 2, etc.
shr/lunar cycle Jumada the first from date/year two and twenty and written his son Hadidu
Also some things could maybe have changed, but it is not possible that the holy month was changed, Muslims would not have allowed this.
That's if they had a choice and the issue comes down to if one awakes from a long comma or long sleep in a cave as the sleepers then who determines first month if they rotate throughout the seasons? Ramadan/burning heat -- why rotate to occur during winter/spring/fall as well?
We know from history unbiased no purpose to fudge dates of events that in the year 541 CE. Flavius Belisarius, commander of the Byzantine armies, summoned a council of war against Persia. Two Roman officers in command of Syrian garrisons refused to join Belisarius' army to Nisibis. They said that their absence would leave Syria and Phenicia exposed to the attacks of the Arabs. Belisarius argued that this would not be a problem because the summer solstice was at hand, when the Arabs devoted two months to the rites of their religion without resorting to arms, so there was no cause for apprehension. -- invasion of Syria and sack of Antioch Gibbon
How did general Belisarius know this? Were they abstaining from fighting/arguing/war/food etc., during hot period after summer solstice?
-
MY CONCLUSION SO FAR
Ramadan can not be in December and not when full moon occurs. This because the pagan traditions as i wrote in previous post and because Allah says to enter out houses from the front and not from the rear, this must mean to start ramadan with a crescent moon, a new moon. Also some things could maybe have changed, but it is not possible that the holy month was changed, Muslims would not have allowed this.
first of all here is an offical events of dates of 21 and 22 decemeber,, and i find nothing satanic or devilish in all this... have a look
21
• Armed Forces Day (Philippines)
Christian feast day
O Oriens
Petrus Canisius
Thomas the Apostle (Anglicanism)
December 21 (Eastern Orthodox liturgics)
Earliest date for the winter solstice in the Northern Hemisphere and the summer solstice in the Southern Hemisphere, and its related observances
Blue Christmas (Western Christianity)
Dongzhi Festival (Asia)
Sanghamitta Day (Theravada Buddhism)
Yule in the Northern Hemisphere (Neopagan Wheel of the Year)
Ziemassvtki (ancient Latvia)
Forefathers' Day (Plymouth, Massachusetts)
S?o Tom? Day (S?o Tom? and Pr?ncipe)
The first day of Pancha Ganapati, celebrated until December 25 (Saiva Siddhanta Church)•
22
• Christian feast day
Anastasia of Sirmium (Orthodox Church)
O Rex
Henry Budd (Episcopal Church (USA))
Lottie Moon (Episcopal Church (USA))
December 22 (Eastern Orthodox liturgics)
Armed Forces Day (Vietnam)
Mother's Day (Indonesia)
National Mathematics Day (India)
Teachers' Day (Cuba)
Unity Day (Zimbabwe)•
and the event you are talking i did not see anybody practising it anywhere.. have no official or legal history
moreover the event saturnaila dated back to 17 december.. do you think there is fool written on my forehead? dont you know lie is nasty thing ..
just want to say what do you mean by enter you houses from front door what does this mean????????? how this thing link to ramdhan or moon ?????????.
well if you want to beleive on your understanding its your choice but how come you so sure its not in december and claiming a thing which no body ever claim with surety,, due to the red part i dnt want to laugh becoz its your reason sorry to say your reason is illogical.. i m afraid you need some serious education.. dnt take it personal.. but as an advise..
peace and God bless you..
-
you will find out that i speak the truth.
i find out already that your are telling me lie,, do astagfar ..
I hope Allah will guide you to the right path and that you leave paganism
r you joking with me.. rotfl
i remember a kid.. he was fighting with a white lady ,,
i ask why .. he replied becoz she is black and she is not accepting it...then i told to the kid.. confirm it i dnt want to hurt your feelings.. then i get to know kid need to differentiate between colors so instead of telling him she is white i need to explain him which color perform which function so dat he can understand white color hve these feature..what a lady have..
-
Selam Imran,
i feel that you are not a very nice person, you call me a liar and that is not true. I tell you the truth about these dates and you find other dates like armed forces celebration in Philippines, you are becoming a real joke . You do everything to protect your believe, i wonder who is guiding you Allah or satan. What kind of lie did i tell you? You make statements and do not back them up. I ask questions and you do not answer them, you only push your way of thinking and wants me to accept your way of thinking.
As i wrote 21/22 December is Saturnalia and you can google this ( Satanic holidays ) and find out that this true. So this can not be what you claim to be the beginning of ramadan. I posted 2 links and if you watched one of these 2 videos than you would know what these dates are and what Christmas is. But you do not take time to watch and learn, but you make statements that i already have shown to you are not Islamic and can not be from Al Lah. Also every year this group celebrates this and 20 years ago it was a group of 35 thousand men and women who came together to have orgies and other satanic rituals and yes on the Christian holiday like you posted 21 and 22 december. You can see this in this video on youtube, the link is in my previous post. So i wonder how you know that satanic ritual is at 17 december, it seems to me that you know this very good and that you also know the truth about 21 and 22 december. Also this satanic holiday is for 12 days.
Please watch this video and the history of these pagan rituals and if you still keep on believing that these dates have nothing to do with Saturnalia than i understand who you are and what kind of agenda you are pushing. Do not claim that pagan and satanic rituals have no legal or official history, because they do and everybody knows this, it is a fact that a lot of people are going to such rituals and it is growing. I am not a liar, but you showed that you are a liar, and everybody can read it. May Allah give me strength to expose people like you and to show the people who is misguiding them and how. La ilahe illa Lah, Allahu Ekber. Peace
-
@ guided one
i think you did not read it properly,, its you who are making joke of you own...
first of all i did not claim any thing..
second thing is this .. what you lie i already expose..
third thing you call me pagan rotfl
but apart from all this i did not get personal and say anything to you.. but i show everybody the events that happen on 21 and 22 december ,, now you google it .. and tell me did i tell lie about dates... or its you who are lying...
and finally i m not a nice person becoz i speak truth.. its something normal . truth is very bitter to accept..