Fasting in North Pole
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Peace,
Holy or forbidden does not really matter, a month can never be holy or forbidden.
And time or a period of time is an abstract concept. It's like you say holy number 7.well the quran does not say holy or forbidden, it says HARAM, or whichever form it happens to be in..
i do not say holy number anything.. thats your own saying.
Peace, i seek not the ignorant.
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well the quran does not say holy or forbidden, it says HARAM, or whichever form it happens to be in..
usually haram is translated as "forbidden" or "holy" thats why I used those words, but good to hear you have a better defintion.
i do not say holy number anything.. thats your own saying.
the you was not you but a general you, thus that the concept time is as abstract as a number
Peace, i seek not the ignorant.
I do not understand why you respond like this.
Anyway peace -
This is a very interesting topic. Orthodox Jews observe the Sabbath at Friday sunset which also poses problems above the Arctic Circle and I recall a rabbi saying that one should ideally go by the nearest place where there's a defined sunrise and sunset. However, when it comes to Ramadan this can be quite problematic. Even at places just below the Arctic Circle with sunrise/sunset the "night" may only last an hour or so. I am yet to fast, but I could only imagine how difficult and possibly dangerous that could be.
As for winter Ramadan, going by the same rule one would be permitted to eat 23 hours a day, which I would hardly consider fasting. Mecca time sounds like a reasonable compromise, but then again Mecca is very far from the Arctic Circle so I'm personally unsure about that. Maybe twelve hours eating and twelve hours fasting? My view is do whatever you feel okay with as long as you are not in danger.
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usually haram is translated as "forbidden" or "holy" thats why I used those words, but good to hear you have a better defintion.
the you was not you but a general you, thus that the concept time is as abstract as a numberI do not understand why you respond like this.
Anyway peacePeace, i have certainly erred, but this topic, and many others, this forum in fact, is so much just vanity, and pointless tail chasing..
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and when they have heard vain conversation they turned well away from it, and they say "to us, our deeds, and to you, your deeds. Wellbeing upon you, we do not wish to regard the ignorant."
this is why i respond like this. i have erred. Lord knows. i do see you as a doer of good, but i do tire of vain and pointless argument or conversation..
Prehaps i need a break from this place.. or to not even join in on the topic in the first place..
peace..
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Peace imrankhawaja I agree with you in regards to salat, zakat is as you mentioned,
but it is a form of purification as well. Your views about hajj I think are misinformed.
Hajj is the fulfilment of Allah's command, do not be so quick to cast a negative
light on what Allah has instructed the believers to do IMHO.God bless you
Peace Hawk.
I agree and heed what you say. Let me add the following
To each their understanding and their rights and rites
Do whatevever you wish GOD is aware of everything you( we) do.
Ask the questions by all means but do not dig your heel and follow your own ego.Understanding/questioning is one thing,throwing the bath water with the baby is another.
What does not suit us is what is usually better for us?GOD bless you.
Peace.Well said. I'd like to add
33/35 Indeed, the Muslim men and Muslim women, the believing men and believing women,
the obedient men and obedient women, the truthful men and truthful women, the patient men
and patient women, the humble men and humble women, the charitable men and charitable
women, the fasting men and fasting women, the men who guard their private parts and the
women who do so, and the men who remember Allah often and the women who do so -
for them Allah has prepared forgiveness and a great reward.peace
This is a very interesting topic. Orthodox Jews observe the Sabbath at Friday sunset which also poses problems above the Arctic Circle and I recall a rabbi saying that one should ideally go by the nearest place where there's a defined sunrise and sunset.
Peace Celt The rabbi gave good advice IMHO!
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Mecca time sounds like a reasonable compromise, but then again Mecca is very far from the Arctic Circle so I'm personally unsure about that. Maybe twelve hours eating and twelve hours fasting? My view is do whatever you feel okay with as long as you are not in danger.
Yea, because if we feel we have to go by the timings of another location, then why don't we just skip the locations and just decide on a number of hours to fast. It's rather unnecessary to pick another location to follow the timings of if they don't represent your actual location anyway. Seems like people think they can "save" the situation by picking another location, not realizing that once you divert from the timings of your actual location, then you have diverted 100%. You cannot divert "just a bit" by picking another location as opposed to not picking any location at all. Just decide on a number of hours and go for that. If it (real timings) doesn't work, it doesn't work.
Peace peace
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there could be another theory.
the timing should start from masjid al haram and throughout the world wether its north pole or south, same like there is a focal point direction.. throughout the world..
is this theory fit or not..?
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Peace imrankhawaja I agree with you in regards to salat, zakat is as you mentioned,
but it is a form of purification as well. Your views about hajj I think are misinformed.
Hajj is the fulfilment of Allah's command, do not be so quick to cast a negative
light on what Allah has instructed the believers to do IMHO.God bless you
peace hawk,
i m human being and human being = possibilty of errors,
and these are just my understanding of the purpose behind rituals. what you can say the advantages of rituals...
you asked it and i told you according to my view , and all are Allah commands not only hajj,but also zakat, salat, soum, honesty , kindness, paying respect to others, and all have results and advantages as well... hope u got it now..
for example , there is a command of God to guard our private part and stay away from illegal sex, but we know its a weakness in human body one can stay away from it with hurdle and most of the people find it hard to stay away.. and they actually wanted to do it...
is there is any apparent purpose of staying away from illegal sex, or can annybody prove it logically its wrong.. its only the matter of honour in some traditions , rest of the world like western people dnt give a dam about it... but we as a beleiver we try our best not to involve in it.? what you will say about it
God bless you too..
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makes no sense untill you read the next two sentances!, or the 10 verses surrounding it, or the rest of the quran, or the rest of Gods revelations..
there is always a context.. lets not forget that. usualy the context makes it clear what its talking about
Well the verses before or after 2194 show that Al-shahr is referring to fighting and unrest. In that case yes Al-shahr can be replied with Al-shahr but only to the same extent. Next part says do not cross limits. Al-shahr for/with Al-shahr as the month does not make sense when studied in the context of surrounding verses.
Peace