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Sura AlFatiha revised

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    Mazhar
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    Yes it is a Prepositional Phrase

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      bkanwar2
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      Please share a rule of syntax that demonstrates that a Prepositional Phrase or a Murakab-e-Jare can be subject or of a given sentence?

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        The_Guided_One
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        Yes it is a Prepositional Phrase

        I really would like to understand what you are claiming,what are you exactly claiming?

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          Mazhar
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          I really would like to understand what you are claiming,what are you exactly claiming?

          Claiming nothing. Replied to bkanwar2

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            Bender
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            Hi bkanwar2,

            What is your definition for the word "God"?

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              bkanwar2
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              One that deserves human worship.

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                Man_of_Faith
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                What is the method in that translation, it appears to be none? Lots of more words than there are in the Arabic sentence even taking that you paraphrase something. How did you receive at what the words mean as they seem not linked to ancient Arabic lexicons. You need a motivation for making a rendition, not just translate out of the blue.

                Be well
                Amenuel

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                  imrankhawaja
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                  height of interpretation lol, this forum is nice place,,

                  in last one year, i encounnter language experts, messengers, messengers of covinant, root expets, scientists, entertainers.

                  this is pure submission to listen everybody views whatever they have,, its really free minds for free thinkers , i appreciate that..

                  otherwise if we go on other forums if you slighty say something which is against their views they will start harassing you,,

                  group

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                    bkanwar2
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                    What is the method in that translation, it appears to be none? Lots of more words than there are in the Arabic sentence even taking that you paraphrase something. How did you receive at what the words mean as they seem not linked to ancient Arabic lexicons. You need a motivation for making a rendition, not just translate out of the blue.

                    Be well
                    Amenuel

                    I was giving a detailed explanation of each and every word. However, due total lack of interest as well time and effort involved in it. I stopped doing it. Which word you are having a problem with? I be happy to share linguistic reasoning for it.

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                      Bender
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                      One that deserves human worship.

                      Ok, and how do you call in english the creator of the universe?

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                        bkanwar2
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                        You just said it brother. Creator of the universe.

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                          Bender
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                          You just said it brother. Creator of the universe.

                          Maybe you had some other word for it, that's why I asked, to make sure.
                          Anyway, what I actually wanted to say/ask is that The Creator of the universe is worshiped by billions, does this make Him a god?

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                            imrankhawaja
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                            due to the advancement of tecnology and computerised era, the version of translations are artifical intelligent translation...

                            or fifth generation translation,

                            but only who have very sharp mind can understand, rest off the people use old versions, when they start learning computer they willl get to understand.. otherwise after some time they must have to learn computer like once it was normal id then computerised id come into existence... now its mandatory for everybody to have computerised id..

                            i m just waititing for another messenger who come and certified these computerised hard/complex translations.. for humanity.

                            pr

                            i forget to tell you guys about the revised version of bible in which they skipped the verse in which jesus was claimed he is begotten son of God.. almost all the chruchs were agree that it was fabrication.. but they have same problems they think son of god mean begottenn son of God, error is in interpretation of word son,, they dnt even focus son of God is meant to be Godly person,, with respect to it everybody is son of god who listen the commandments of God..

                            i thinkk modern muslims or some of them are tired from the meanings of quran and now they want to invent something new.. or revised versions.. best of luck..

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                              Man_of_Faith
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                              Invent some people already did a long time ago. It has already been done.

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                                imrankhawaja
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                                Invent some people already did a long time ago. It has already been done.

                                no it did not.. the arabic message of quran is same what we have today.. i mean the symbols of language of 1400 old and todays arabic are in same order except the zeer zabar pesh tanween...and numbering ,

                                the message was same unchangable,, it is same presently , and my logic is telling me it will be the same arabic untill judgement day,,

                                yeh people can only change interpretation .. nothing else but the tricks are easy to analyse whatever way it approch..

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                                  Man_of_Faith
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                                  I swear it is not. Quran's message is not the same as "1400 years ago" and there never was any proclaimed message either as the writing lacked an interpreter to begin with. What you know is not correct. There is nothing wrong in association with God (it is actually the purpose of existence), no rituals of worship and no hellfire. That is fabricated by deluded clerics and prior to a certain time there was never any proclaimed Hell either but it was invented all of a sudden (in further deluded imagination).

                                  God is one powerful unity (realm) to join and it is at hand right here right now. God is an ultimate Oneness and what you confusingly refer to is duality as you recognize a distinction between the divine and people of the world. If you could think more abstractly it actually does not make sense. God is not a separate entity but even your soul is God, but there is a contradictorily "automation" in which you do not follow the "will of God" but follow "Satan" which in you is represented by the body's autonomous drive (the instinct). The solution is simply "Be God" (have a conscious and independent part) and be a master of your body and your own person (as it is not a slave under the autonomous drive). This is the "angel' (malekat) you can be if you grasp the true version of what everything is about. Malek means master and if you stand above things this is who you are by definition.

                                  God as a phenomenon is symbiotic one and God encompasses every thing (part) and nothing is apart from God even if they have no power to have any influence within the realm. Your imagination of a being separate from everyone else is incorrect but it is in us. Like Jesus is seen written about when he says "I am in the abbu and the abbu in me" and uses the I AM way of speaking or when Moses learns about God "I am being (who) I am" ("heyeh ashar heyeh" in Hebrew heyeh "who my I is being who my I" more literally.

                                  "To be Being is to be the Being (one) "La Elah ela allah". The word is so linguistically simple as it consists of AL and Heh (third person pronoun - he/she/it = who/which). It is possible to make out even if you insist on making to mean "no/not", i.e. not Being except Being (who)" (although does not mean no/not).

                                  Rabb encompasses everyone.

                                  Be well
                                  Amenuel

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                                    bkanwar2
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                                    Anyway, what I actually wanted to say/ask is that The Creator of the universe is worshiped by billions, does this make Him a god?

                                    You said it again. It is people who create god. A deity for worship. This concept is negated by Quran.

                                    Regards.

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                                      bkanwar2
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                                      Please share a rule of syntax that demonstrates that a Prepositional Phrase or a Murakab-e-Jare can be subject or of a given sentence?

                                      Mazhar, still patiently waiting. Take all your time you need.

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                                        Bender
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                                        You said it again. It is people who create god. A deity for worship. This concept is negated by Quran.

                                        Regards.

                                        So in your dictionary The Creator means "the creator of the universe who deserves to be worshiped by humans"?
                                        Or am I misunderstanding you?

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                                          imrankhawaja
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                                          I swear it is not. Quran's message is not the same as "1400 years ago"

                                          i m talking about arabic... but you are talking about the meanings and interpretation,, ok make it simple,,

                                          did you see any quran whatever old it is,, is the arabic different from todays quran.. forget about the meanings or how anybody interpret it.. what i am asking is there is any version which have different arabic?

                                          peace

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