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Rejecting God is not a crime, it is just a lack of realization of self. Many who claim to acknowledge God actually reject God's standards which is the important matter. A strong and healthy mind also shows strong spiritual development, they might not just yet have awakened. To acknowledge God is to acknowledge who to be.
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Amenuel"Rejecting God is not a crime"..
328 Let not the believers take the rejecters as allies instead of the believers. And whoever does so will have nothing with God; for you are to be cautious of them as they deserve. And God warns you of Himself, and to God is the destiny.
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That is the problem with sectarian interpretations of Quran, Adam. They say what Quran does not say.
And kafar does not mean rejecter or disbeliever but deluded ones. People who are blinded from seeing straight. They have a COVERED MIND like is the original meaning of Kaf-Fe-Ra.
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That is the problem with sectarian interpretations of Quran, Adam. They say what Quran does not say.
And kafar does not mean rejecter or disbeliever but deluded ones. People who are blinded from seeing straight. They have a COVERED MIND like is the original meaning of Kaf-Fe-Ra.
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AmenuelTotally agree MoF. Kafara does mean to cover/hide.
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Peace Novice.
Again "Ka-Fa-Ra" can mean many things depending on the context/sentence. You can argue that sometimes it may mean "Disbeliever",like
26Otherwise this would not be justiied
27We have these discussions about Qoran so many times . Multi meanings words exist for a reason in Qoran.
For example
Salat has more than one meaning in Qoran.
Zakat has more than one meaning in Qoran.
Sujud has more than one meaning in Qoran.
Kuffar has more than one meaning in Qoran.
...etc, It all depends on the sentence/verbs/context... Even grammar goes out of the window in Qoran sometimesAnyway, I suppose GOD has a valid reason for this.
GOD bless you.
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Salaam good logic
Thank you for your post. In my humble opinion everyone has a right to present their understanding. So if your understanding appeals me I can adopt it and may be vice versa.
After many years of learning my understanding at present is that Arabic words are based on roots. The root meanings reflect in any derived word of a root. As far as Arabic grammar is concerned it has been developed by humans over time. All man made grammar is helpful but is not above Quran.
ka-Fa-Ra root means to cover/hide. It should reflect in all derivatives of this root.
So in 26-7 my humble understanding is that those who cover/hide the truth they are not willing to take any warnings because they are not using their God gifted faculties intentionally.
Of course it is my understanding and I am open to accept a better understanding. And I have no intention to force my understanding upon anyone.I am just sharing my views.
God bless you.
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So in 26-7 my humble understanding is that those who cover/hide the truth they are not willing to take any warnings because they are not using their God gifted faculties intentionally.
Of course it is my understanding and I am open to accept a better understanding. And I have no intention to force my understanding upon anyone.I am just sharing my views.
bravo
Those who cover / hide the truth (KFR) actually knows the truth yet they're covering / hiding it..
A good and simple example of KFR will be Abraham's dad...
He was an idol maker, he created idols and also the stories / myths / gods behinds it.
With hopes that he can sell the idols (Which later shall be used like a kind of amulets to protect the bearer against certain things, depending on the God which the idol represent)Does Abraham's dad knows that all of this are crap?? Yes he does... he's the author of it..
Yet he tried very hard to hide / cover it... even when his own son decided to break the family's tradition and tell the truth about all of these craps..Basically he's a deceiver.. and do anything to cover up his lies... even when it involves murdering and torturing people.. including his own son...
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That is the problem with sectarian interpretations of Quran, Adam. They say what Quran does not say.
And kafar does not mean rejecter or disbeliever but deluded ones. People who are blinded from seeing straight. They have a COVERED MIND like is the original meaning of Kaf-Fe-Ra.
Be well
AmenuelLet's not say things like "rejecting is not a crime", that's all what i had to say.
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Peace Novice.
Thank you or your reply as well.
You say, quote
After many years of learning my understanding at present is that Arabic words are based on roots. The root meanings reflect in any derived word of a root. As far as Arabic grammar is concerned it has been developed by humans over time. All man made grammar is helpful but is not above Quran.And who gave the "roots" their meanings?
Should man made root meanings not follow the same logic as the grammar?
For example are "K-F-R" root and "J-I-N" root similar?
Sometimes just because we translate according to the context with a different word it does not mean we abandoned the root meaning. I already said one can argue that a "disbeliever" and "one who covers the truth" are the same thing?Also, of course you are entitled to your understanding brother. I happen to agree with some of it.
And when I do not agree, we disagree amicably.
GOD bless you.
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Salaam good logic
And who gave the "roots" their meanings?
Brother my understanding is that God communicated in a language that was in use. The roots had certain meanings when Quran was revealed. So people of the time were able to understand the message. Some people have done great job in putting those roots together. For me meanings of these root words are important to understand the message.
Should man made root meanings not follow the same logic as the grammar?
I would say root meanings, in use at the time of revelation, made people understand the message. These man made root meanings were the language of the day and that was how those people understood the message. Otherwise a dictionary of terms used, should have been revealed with the message. Message has no purpose if it is not understandable by those who receive it.
For example are "K-F-R" root and "J-I-N" root similar?
I think you meant root J-N-N. I have not studied it but I am sure there would be some difference between both.
Sometimes just because we translate according to the context with a different word it does not mean we abandoned the root meaning. I already said one can argue that a "disbeliever" and "one who covers the truth" are the same thing?
Brother as I already said all derived meanings from a root should reflect the root meanings. I understand Kafir as one who covers the truth. But a disbeliever conveys different meanings to me.
Also, of course you are entitled to your understanding brother. I happen to agree with some of it.
And when I do not agree, we disagree amicably.
Thank you brother for your good mannerism. Of course when we do not agree, we disagree amicably.
God bless you.
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Let's not say things like "rejecting is not a crime", that's all what i had to say.
But rejection is not a crime and it is ignorance and blindness to how things are. You cannot held responsible for something you are not aware of. Kafar is the term for that, i.e. deluded meaning your present state of mind disables one from knowing correct things.
Be well
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Peace Novice.
Thank you or your reply as well.
You say, quote
After many years of learning my understanding at present is that Arabic words are based on roots. The root meanings reflect in any derived word of a root. As far as Arabic grammar is concerned it has been developed by humans over time. All man made grammar is helpful but is not above Quran.And who gave the "roots" their meanings?
Should man made root meanings not follow the same logic as the grammar?
For example are "K-F-R" root and "J-I-N" root similar?
Sometimes just because we translate according to the context with a different word it does not mean we abandoned the root meaning. I already said one can argue that a "disbeliever" and "one who covers the truth" are the same thing?Also, of course you are entitled to your understanding brother. I happen to agree with some of it.
And when I do not agree, we disagree amicably.
GOD bless you.
Peace.Peace be with you,
God taught us by the pen. (surah al-qalam) what do we do with a pen? write, we write letters, words and language, etc. and we have learnt much from this blessing.
semitic language is like a tree. The Letters are the real roots, the letters themselves stem from proto-sinaitic or even further, and represent things, as they were originaly pictures of those things, add one or two or three together, and they represent those things together etc. the meaning is always related to the root, but it can diverge, people always take a western look at this, an eastern concept, one of concrete, tangible things, not abstract ideas. The words are always related to the roots, however there are some things which are idioms, metaphors etc, not literal.
many people seem to think that arabic just sprung up in the quran, or something, like it came from nowhere,
it actualy is just another branch of the ancient semitic language, If we look into the original concepts behind many of theese ancient words, we can get a clearer picture.
I recently found an ancient hebrew lexicon, i find it invaluable for study of semitic language, including arabic.
good logic, a disbeliever is not a kafur. disbeliever means;
dis- (not/negation of)
believe
-er (suffix pronoun or something like that.)
i.e disbeliever means 'one who does not believe'kafur is to cover over, hence denial, in the context.
i can disbelieve in something that i do not know of, but i can not kafar something i do not know of, that is the difference
kafiruun are both disbelievers and in denial, because we do know that God exists, we were witnessess to His Lordship, however, the word itself is not suitable, in my opinion, denial is much more suitable, as it more accurately reflects the meaning of the arabic word, which should always be our priority.
Peace be with you and the mercy of God.
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Timotheus,
The term kafir - oon/kafir - iin implies though that the person is covered, not that they cover. They are DELUDED as a matter of metaphorical talk. And that means your mind believes in something that is not true because you have either misled yourself in your thinking or someone else misled you. A kafar can very well believe in God, they do not need to be in denial obviously, but they may be deluded about God in many ways, fed disinformation. Such person is even potentially dangerous in their conviction.
Similarly in Swedish we say someone who is deluded is "snowed in" (had a cave-in of snow) meaning something alike to kafar.
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