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SAWM - The Great Tool of ALLAH

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    HP_TECH
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    Don't worry about not replying on time.
    It is alright. There is no problem here.
    The only problem I have is with your conclusion.
    Are you implying that we should not fast in Ramadan?

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      herbman
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      Don't worry about not replying on time.
      It is alright. There is no problem here.
      The only problem I have is with your conclusion.
      Are you implying that we should not fast in Ramadan?

      Personally No I am nit fasting anymore.

      I am just studying the Quran and what I found is

      SYAM is to become righteous (and definition of righteous= mutaqin is in 2177)

      Righteous is

      2177
      Righteousness is not that you turn your faces toward the east or the west, but righteousness is
      one who believes in Allah ,
      the Last Day,
      the angels,
      the Book,
      and the prophets
      and gives wealth, in spite of love for it, to relatives, orphans, the needy, the traveler, those who ask ,
      and for freeing slaves;
      establishes prayer and gives zakah;
      fulfill their promise when they promise;
      and are patient in poverty and hardship and during battle.
      Those are the ones who have been true, and it is those who are the righteous.

      If fasting leads to become righteous then please explain?

      Peace

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        Cerberus
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        Hello herbman,

        I think ramadan is indeed a great tool of allah exercice to separate the spirit from the flesh.
        However most people shall only get thirst and hunger from it, because they have missed the below point.

        Cutting the supplies of food/water/sex is not the goal of fasting but it is only the mean in order to be able to see clearer into oneself and what is going on within. That is when you can purify yourself effectively.
        It is a lot harder to do that when we have all the noise of life around us and we constantly respond to our instinctive desires as any animal would.

        Abstention also sharpens our will, so that we can become more in control of ourselves, and not the other way around.

        Ramadan is a cool month to try all that stuff out, but I think it is even cooler to try that at random days during the week.

        "Many receive nothing from the fast except hunger and thirst." -Prophet Muhammad (Yes, I quoted a hadith)

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          herbman
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          Dear Cerberus
          Thanks for your input.

          Let me explain you my view regarding fasting.
          Actualy fasting from drink is dangereous for your kidneys. Even more in warm countries like Arabia, risking dehydratation.
          I have seen my self many misconduct regarding young and old people fasting even if dangereous for their health because of social pression.

          Indeed fasting is a good think for health and meditation if you fast from food and keep drinking this is even a well know therapy that cures many diseas and is under used.

          Peace

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            HP_TECH
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            I made a video for you

            https//youtu.be/CueDDyV7NDs

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              herbman
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              I made a video for you

              https//youtu.be/CueDDyV7NDs

              Hi HP_tech,

              thanks for your clear answer, let me answer you claims in the video.

              First the title
              Salaamu Alaykum Quran Alone Imams Please Stop inventing your own religions

              I am not an Imam inventing my own religion, I try to find answers based on the Quran only.
              I do not have any religion.
              Religions are man made.

              Secondly
              You say I am making a deduction based only on the last sentence from 2187 Thus does Allah make clear His ordinances to the people that they may become righteous.

              Remember 2187 is not just a sentence out of context cause it is right in the context of sawm, same for 2177!

              Third

              You say fast is "abstaining" which I totally agree with.
              But you claim it is abstaining from food, drink and sexual intercourse.

              Please show me where in Quran it stated so?
              Nowhere in the Quran it is written that sawm is abstaining from food and drink.
              Instead It is clearly stated that sawm is abstaining from talking! see - 1926

              Four Please read point 4 of my post Verses analisys and Context

              Please explain how fasting from food and drink will help your victims from your fault?
              If fasting from food and drink helps you find Peace for yourself so be it, but please explain how it would help the people you get faulty with!

              • 492
                *Shows if you kill someone, pay blood money, or free a captive, if you cannot you have to SAWM 2 consecutive "full moon"

              • 587 to 589
                *Shows again if you commit a fault you have either to feed 10 needy people, or free a slave or if you cannot make a SAWM during 3 days

              • 583 to 584
                *Show the same as above if you commit a fault you have to free a captive or do a SAWM of 2 consecutive full moon.

              Five

              Please explain clearly why do you fast from food and drink?
              Please avoid answer like because it is prescribed. I want to know the reason, why? It must have a clear reason behind.

              Peace

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                HP_TECH
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                Another one
                http//imgur.com/vO1sHmy.gif
                Sorry it's loooooooong
                https//youtu.be/Rb45t5kt6EY

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                  herbman
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                  Dear HP_Tech,

                  if you want to keep debating please write your arguments here.
                  This would be easier to interact than a video.

                  Thanks

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                    HP_TECH
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                    Ok love you

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                      herbman
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                      Hello,

                      as a side note, this is my personal view on fasting.

                      When I was fasting in a muslim country, during the day and even when sun set approaches I use to avoid going out. The reason was because many people are let say quiet nervous, and a fight in the street was not so unusual.

                      This is in fact something quiet natural and scientificaly demonstrated
                      https//www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/hanger-real-psychological-hangry-anger-hunger-food-blood-sugar-levels-hormones-nutrition-a8338786.html

                      Now you might say, ok but fasting is to control yourself etc etc...these people are just bad people.

                      OK Right but I can tell you sel control is not for every one!

                      Another side effect.

                      In European countries now a days I read an article saying that more and more young children in basic schools (from 6-12) come at school fasting!

                      This is again another misuse of fasting.

                      Now let me re-phrase my simple question

                      Why do you abstain from eating and drinking? What is the goal, what does it bring to you?

                      Peace
                      No hate just love
                      Herbman

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