Shabbat Shalom, does anyone try to uphold the Torah - Shabbat here at the moment
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The way I understand Sabbath I uphold it.
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The way I understand Sabbath I uphold it.
All praise due to God, i am still reading the Torah for the second time. So i need to read some more to learn the details.
But it feels good, to have 1 special day in the week. All praise due to God, Lord of the worlds.
Peace.
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The 'Sabbath' was meant to be a day of contemplation, to be reflecting upon existence rather than absorbed in Earthly matters such as working for provision etc. It is obviously not "haram" to work on Sabbath like the sectarians argued, but then you lose the function of it. As we easily get distracted by Satan it is usually good to decide a certain time to hold this contemplation and bingo, you have the Sabbath day.
Other religions hold a Sabbath even if they do not call it that, e.g. Islam's "Yum-e Al-Jameh" on Fridays or church Sunday in Christianity. Islam's doctrine makes Jameh celebration obligatory on healthy people, but only during the prayer and sermon it is mandatory to refrain from work. In the original interpretation one should use the whole day to think. It should not be important which day one chooses to contemplate and beyond dogmas it could be half a Tuesday and half a Saturday too, and one could even make it one and the half day of they feel that devoted.
If people meditate and reflect during nights before they sleep then they are already holding a Sabbath even for that moment they do it. The word itself stems from a root which means to contemplate, "be into puzzlement" (which basically means to delve into complicated matter in the mind).
God does not need to rest and it was an erroneous association if referring to the sectarian interpretation of Genesis.
Be well
Amenuel -
Shalom,
i believe that the quran says we are not required to uphold the shabbat anymore, in my understanding of theese verses
16123 Then We inspired to you "You shall follow the creed of Abraham, monotheism, and he was not of the polytheists."
16124 Indeed, the Sabbath was only decreed for those who had disputed in it, and your Lord will judge between them for that in which they had disputed.in my understanding, theese verses instruct us to follow the millat ibraheem, or the creed of Abraham, that 'la ilaha ila hu' there is no god except him (the one god), i think that god gave different rites/practises to different people, and i think this is part of the test, whether we can accept the differences in other people or whether we say 'NO you dont practise salat/tefilah/namaz/etc the same way, or observe the same holy day' etc
548 And We have sent down to you the Book with the truth, authenticating what is between your hands of the Book and superseding it. So judge between them by what God has sent down, and do not follow their desires from what has come to you of the truth. For each of you We have made laws, and a structure; and if God had willed, He would have made you all one nation, but He tests you with what He has given you; so strive to do good. To God you will return all of you, and He will inform you regarding that in which you dispute.
i think the differences in practises etc, are a big test for us, and for each people God knows how best to test them..
Peace, Gods mercy, and blessings be with you.
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The 'Sabbath' was meant to be a day of contemplation, to be reflecting upon existence rather than absorbed in Earthly matters such as working for provision etc. It is obviously not "haram" to work on Sabbath like the sectarians argued, but then you lose the function of it. As we easily get distracted by Satan it is usually good to decide a certain time to hold this contemplation and bingo, you have the Sabbath day.
Other religions hold a Sabbath even if they do not call it that, e.g. Islam's "Yum-e Al-Jameh" on Fridays or church Sunday in Christianity. Islam's doctrine makes Jameh celebration obligatory on healthy people, but only during the prayer and sermon it is mandatory to refrain from work. In the original interpretation one should use the whole day to think. It should not be important which day one chooses to contemplate and beyond dogmas it could be half a Tuesday and half a Saturday too, and one could even make it one and the half day of they feel that devoted.
If people meditate and reflect during nights before they sleep then they are already holding a Sabbath even for that moment they do it. The word itself stems from a root which means to contemplate, "be into puzzlement" (which basically means to delve into complicated matter in the mind).
God does not need to rest and it was an erroneous association if referring to the sectarian interpretation of Genesis.
Be well
AmenuelTorah - Exodus
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates
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The 'Sabbath' was meant to be a day of contemplation, to be reflecting upon existence rather than absorbed in Earthly matters such as working for provision etc. It is obviously not "haram" to work on Sabbath like the sectarians argued, but then you lose the function of it. As we easily get distracted by Satan it is usually good to decide a certain time to hold this contemplation and bingo, you have the Sabbath day.
Other religions hold a Sabbath even if they do not call it that, e.g. Islam's "Yum-e Al-Jameh" on Fridays or church Sunday in Christianity. Islam's doctrine makes Jameh celebration obligatory on healthy people, but only during the prayer and sermon it is mandatory to refrain from work. In the original interpretation one should use the whole day to think. It should not be important which day one chooses to contemplate and beyond dogmas it could be half a Tuesday and half a Saturday too, and one could even make it one and the half day of they feel that devoted.
If people meditate and reflect during nights before they sleep then they are already holding a Sabbath even for that moment they do it. The word itself stems from a root which means to contemplate, "be into puzzlement" (which basically means to delve into complicated matter in the mind).
God does not need to rest and it was an erroneous association if referring to the sectarian interpretation of Genesis.
Be well
Amenuel"Yawm al-Jumuha"? That is the 6th day of the week. The Sabbat was the last day, the 7th. How can such days be compared to each other? There is definitly a difference between the first six days and the last 7th day.
Peace.
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The 'Sabbath' was meant to be a day of contemplation, to be reflecting upon existence rather than absorbed in Earthly matters such as working for provision etc. It is obviously not "haram" to work on Sabbath like the sectarians argued, but then you lose the function of it. As we easily get distracted by Satan it is usually good to decide a certain time to hold this contemplation and bingo, you have the Sabbath day.
Other religions hold a Sabbath even if they do not call it that, e.g. Islam's "Yum-e Al-Jameh" on Fridays or church Sunday in Christianity. Islam's doctrine makes Jameh celebration obligatory on healthy people, but only during the prayer and sermon it is mandatory to refrain from work. In the original interpretation one should use the whole day to think. It should not be important which day one chooses to contemplate and beyond dogmas it could be half a Tuesday and half a Saturday too, and one could even make it one and the half day of they feel that devoted.
If people meditate and reflect during nights before they sleep then they are already holding a Sabbath even for that moment they do it. The word itself stems from a root which means to contemplate, "be into puzzlement" (which basically means to delve into complicated matter in the mind).
God does not need to rest and it was an erroneous association if referring to the sectarian interpretation of Genesis.
Be well
AmenuelThe word of God is important.
We can not change the Shabbat into a half-tuesday or half-saturday.
May my Lord guide me.
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Shalom,
i believe that the quran says we are not required to uphold the shabbat anymore, in my understanding of theese verses
16123 Then We inspired to you "You shall follow the creed of Abraham, monotheism, and he was not of the polytheists."
16124 Indeed, the Sabbath was only decreed for those who had disputed in it, and your Lord will judge between them for that in which they had disputed.in my understanding, theese verses instruct us to follow the millat ibraheem, or the creed of Abraham, that 'la ilaha ila hu' there is no god except him (the one god), i think that god gave different rites/practises to different people, and i think this is part of the test, whether we can accept the differences in other people or whether we say 'NO you dont practise salat/tefilah/namaz/etc the same way, or observe the same holy day' etc
548 And We have sent down to you the Book with the truth, authenticating what is between your hands of the Book and superseding it. So judge between them by what God has sent down, and do not follow their desires from what has come to you of the truth. For each of you We have made laws, and a structure; and if God had willed, He would have made you all one nation, but He tests you with what He has given you; so strive to do good. To God you will return all of you, and He will inform you regarding that in which you dispute.
i think the differences in practises etc, are a big test for us, and for each people God knows how best to test them..
Peace, Gods mercy, and blessings be with you.
Moses followed Monotheism, the Creed of Abraham, and Hold the Shabbat.
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Moses followed Monotheism, the Creed of Abraham, and Hold the Shabbat.
Yes, i agree. Abraham, however did not, in my understanding, and God tells us in the quran to follow his example. I dont believe we are obliged to hold the shabbat, as i mentioned in my previous post, that verse from the quran regarding why God decreed shabbat, is why i believe that. Although i see nothing wrong if any believer holds shabbat, in fact i would encourage it. personaly i try and focus on God every day of the week, and at all times.
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Adam,
The point was that there is no Sabbath day but it is up to each person. If you contemplate one half day and then another you have done a full day of contemplation. Adding to that you can contemplate another day and thus have had two Sabbaths in one week. It is the reflection which is important.
Be well
Amenuel -
Yes, i agree. Abraham, however did not, in my understanding, and God tells us in the quran to follow his example. I dont believe we are obliged to hold the shabbat, as i mentioned in my previous post, that verse from the quran regarding why God decreed shabbat, is why i believe that. Although i see nothing wrong if any believer holds shabbat, in fact i would encourage it. personaly i try and focus on God every day of the week, and at all times.
Have you read the "soehoef" of Abraham? I couldn't find it.
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Adam,
The point was that there is no Sabbath day but it is up to each person. If you contemplate one half day and then another you have done a full day of contemplation. Adding to that you can contemplate another day and thus have had two Sabbaths in one week. It is the reflection which is important.
Be well
AmenuelIf God mentioned in the Torah, a Shabbat, and mentioned in the Quran the Shabbat it is upon me to hear and obey.
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you mean those footprint things by the kabbah in mecca?
Noooo... brother.
I mean
8714 Whoever purifies will succeed.
8715 And remembers the name of his Lord, so he reaches out.
8716 No, you desire the worldly life.
8717 But the Hereafter is better and more lasting.
8718 This has been revealed in the previous scripts.
8719 The scripts of Abraham and Moses.The scripts of Abraham..
I am still searching for them..
May my Lord guide me.
Peace.
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For your benefit, Adam. You should do what benefits you.
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Noooo... brother.
I mean
8714 Whoever purifies will succeed.
8715 And remembers the name of his Lord, so he reaches out.
8716 No, you desire the worldly life.
8717 But the Hereafter is better and more lasting.
8718 This has been revealed in the previous scripts.
8719 The scripts of Abraham and Moses.The scripts of Abraham..
I am still searching for them..
May my Lord guide me.
Peace.
peace,
there are a few scripts that people claim are from abraham, i think it is possible that this is referring to the torah though, if i recall correctly it is the 'suhuf' of abraham and moses or 'collection of pages', so it could refer to the relevant accounts in the torah.
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peace,
there are a few scripts that people claim are from abraham, i think it is possible that this is referring to the torah though, if i recall correctly it is the 'suhuf' of abraham and moses or 'collection of pages', so it could refer to the relevant accounts in the torah.
I have read something, that was claimed to be the suhuf of Abraham. But i ended up reading some weird things. So i am very cautious.
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For your benefit, Adam. You should do what benefits you.
All praise due to God, Lord of the worlds. Thanks for the advice, may my Lord guide me.
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8714 Whoever purifies will succeed.
8715 And remembers the name of his Lord, so he reaches out.
8716 No, you desire the worldly life.
8717 But the Hereafter is better and more lasting.
8718 This has been revealed in the previous scripts.
8719 The scripts of Abraham and Moses.Quran has everything needed. The answer to 8719 is in 8714-15, and also in the rest of the Quran. There is nothing extra. The most important ritual is purification of the heart. I know the meaning of worldly life has been corrupted by mullahs of many different religions. Its simple meaning is "don't be a sheeple".
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Quran has everything needed. The answer to 8719 is in 8714-15, and also in the rest of the Quran. There is nothing extra. The most important ritual is purification of the heart. I know the meaning of worldly life has been corrupted by mullahs of many different religions. Its simple meaning is "don't be a sheeple".
That's why you are upholding a narration of Ibn Kathir and don't like the reading of the Torah!