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Shabbat Shalom, does anyone try to uphold the Torah - Shabbat here at the moment

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    Adam_The_Warner
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    Quran has everything needed. The answer to 8719 is in 8714-15, and also in the rest of the Quran. There is nothing extra. The most important ritual is purification of the heart. I know the meaning of worldly life has been corrupted by mullahs of many different religions. Its simple meaning is "don't be a sheeple".

    That's why you are upholding a narration of Ibn Kathir and don't like the reading of the Torah!

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      That's why you are upholding a narration of Ibn Kathir and don't like the reading of the Torah!

      If only you knew what I meant...

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        Timotheus
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        peace

        mu'mins (those who trust in god completely) are required to trust in all his revelations. including the torah, and the gospel, and the quran.

        and reel, prehaps you could clarify for us? because if god has willed, prehaps if you clarify yourself some people may recieve admonition. often the way we present a concept plays a considerable part in how people react to it, and we should attempt to be as clear as possible to present our point, to minimize misinterpretation. after all, god may be all aware, but we are not, and we cannot read minds

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          Adam_The_Warner
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          If only you knew what I meant...

          Sorry, with all due respect. Question What book would you love to read more, the Torah or the literature of Ibn Kathir?

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            I have been upholding a Hebraic understanding of the Torah for several years now, and feel there is absolutely nothing in the Quran to contradict the idea of Sabbath observance or many other Jewish/Judaeo-Christian practices. I believe God instituted the Friday prayer for the reason that He didn't want to risk Jews breaking the Sabbath, which they run a risk of doing by going to synagogue on Friday night/Saturday morning. At the same time I do not subscribe to the Orthodox interpretation of "39 types of work" and consider it only suggested guidance that can actually take away from oneg Shabbat (the joy of Sabbath).

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              I have been upholding a Hebraic understanding of the Torah for several years now, and feel there is absolutely nothing in the Quran to contradict the idea of Sabbath observance or many other Jewish/Judaeo-Christian practices. I believe God instituted the Friday prayer for the reason that He didn't want to risk Jews breaking the Sabbath, which they run a risk of doing by going to synagogue on Friday night/Saturday morning. At the same time I do not subscribe to the Orthodox interpretation of "39 types of work" and consider it only suggested guidance that can actually take away from oneg Shabbat (the joy of Sabbath).

              peace,

              why can jews not go to the synagogue on shabbat night/morning?

              how on earth is attending a prayer breaking shabbat?

              peace

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                I have been upholding a Hebraic understanding of the Torah for several years now, and feel there is absolutely nothing in the Quran to contradict the idea of Sabbath observance or many other Jewish/Judaeo-Christian practices. I believe God instituted the Friday prayer for the reason that He didn't want to risk Jews breaking the Sabbath, which they run a risk of doing by going to synagogue on Friday night/Saturday morning. At the same time I do not subscribe to the Orthodox interpretation of "39 types of work" and consider it only suggested guidance that can actually take away from oneg Shabbat (the joy of Sabbath).

                "friday prayer", depends also on how you read it. As day of assembly, or friday..

                I have no struggles in following the Shabbat. And i even am glad that i can have one. First few times felt like i have never had a real break in my life.

                It felt like i was going to school/working for 7 days in a week. So 1 day in a week free feels really good. Also i didn't know Saturday was the last day of the week. Now i feel REALLY energetic on sunday. It's a day where you can do what ever you want since you had the day before a break, and on sunday most of the people don't work or go to school.

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                  peace,

                  why can jews not go to the synagogue on shabbat night/morning?

                  how on earth is attending a prayer breaking shabbat?

                  peace

                  Yeah, why wouldn't you want to go to a mosque on friday? Anyways, i wish you good luck, finding one that isn't ruined by sectarians.

                  Nowadays i pray at home by the will of God. All praise due to God, Lord of the worlds.

                  But really, doesn't the verse say "yawmo al-djzumuha"?

                  Either it's a name of a day in the week or it means day of assembly? If you think it means day of assembly then you could have a day of assembly on every day.

                  To be honest, this verse remembers me to the Shabbat anyways. Because it mentioned the part with "work". I feel like i don't read the "old testament" enough. Because the Quran was revealed by a reason. And it was after the Torah/Psalms/Gospel etc. that it was revealed.

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                    Remember, we should study the word of God and ask Him alone for guidance.

                    Look how dangerous it is to copy and paste what people say and think about the quran.

                    Rashad Khalifa was a big preacher of following quran alone. But yet even he was a target for the sectarian doctrine.

                    Read He's translation

                    Rashad Khalifa (The Final Testament)
                    Important Commandments to All Believers
                    629 O you who believe, when the Congregational Prayer (Salat Al-Jumu`ah) is announced on Friday, you shall hasten to the commemoration of GOD, and drop all business. This is better for you, if you only knew.,

                    Look how there is put between brackets "salat al-jumu'ah"..., isn't this so dangerous! Because the quran mentioned just 3 prayers by name?

                    At the moment i read it as if the contact prayer is called to at the gathering day. Even FM did translate it as at the gathering day.

                    This is a whole other context now...

                    So anyways, may our Lord guide us.

                    Just wanted to elaborate on the "friday prayer" that is mentioned above in the thread...

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