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The Problem of Evil

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    imrankhawaja
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    Salaam !

    A question for the learned Quranists in particular

    Why does evil exist ?

    hmm why does we exist..? if you try to understand our own purpose you will get to know why everything else exist...

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      hawk99
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      Salaam !

      A question for the learned Quranists in particular

      Why does evil exist ?

      keyword balance

      all have a blessed Ramadan

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        Adem
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        hmm why does we exist..?

        Funny how you divert from the one simple question by asking another! yuck as if dodging is an answer!

        if you try to understand our own purpose you will get to know why everything else exist...

        Sir, the main question is NOT why EVERYTHING exists! but, why does evil exist?

        Try opening your mind, before your mouth.

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          Adem
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          keyword balance

          Where's the context of the "" keyword "" confused

          all have a blessed Ramadan

          What's that confused

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            Adem
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            Seriously though, any learned Scripturist around ?

            A question for the learned Quranists in particular

            Why does evil exist ?

            salaam

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              imrankhawaja
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              Try opening your mind, before your mouth.

              bravo

              if you carefully read what i said then you was not replying like this ,

              your eyes your mind and your tonge is responsible for your actions ,,, so use them in nice mannner ..

              peace.

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                Man_of_Faith
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                Evil is ignorance or darkness. Zalam in Arabic. Evil as a word in English is different from that word in Arabic and evil is always as a matter of perspective. When you do something which is in vain, illogical, and nonproductive, then it is ignorant or zalam.

                And in order not to wander in ignorance one needs wisdom and to think on a larger scale and not just in front of their eyes.

                Be well
                Amenuel

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                  Novice
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                  Our creator inform us following in the Quran

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                  ...... In Thy (The Creator) hand is the good.........

                  Evil strikes us as a result of our own actions.

                  4230

                  ....Whatever of misfortune striketh you, it is what your right hands have earned.....

                  Peace

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                    Timotheus
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                    Salaam !

                    A question for the learned Quranists in particular

                    Why does evil exist ?

                    Masha'Allah - God willed it so.

                    its that simple..

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                      huruf
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                      In the first place we should answer What is evil?

                      Salaam

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                        imrankhawaja
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                        In the first place we should answer What is evil?

                        Salaam

                        for this you need to understand what is everything...

                        everything is in pair...

                        a magnet
                        humanbeing
                        plants
                        vegetables
                        animals
                        even subatomic particles

                        so thats how things exist...
                        one sid of controllers willingly accept to serve the humanity For God
                        on other side there was a negetive side of these controller who suppose to be graded from one level to another due to the free will but again demoted due to the arrogance .. point to be noted here.. his claim was why do i serve someone who you created by dust, whether i m from energy,, did he forget rather than he was of energy God promote his level to controller(light) and he was in one of them..

                        so do controllers ask why you create something even we are here for you priase, and then God said i now what you dont know,, and then God proved to angels look at this... didnt i told you , i know what you dnt know... fromm there the history of creation started i which a self inside a flesh of earthy material got a level of thinking and understanding at exteme level, that our real self an intelligent and senstive being that know how to distingusih .. God taught us what we dnt know... and then all angels prostrate. except iblees. i think thats why evil exist , and evil side is also inside every self/character , if there is no evil side there is no purpose of this life and test.. everybody looks very calm and peaceful.. but thats not the case.. yeh everything has its end as well beginning in hereafter there will be no evil or evil side, that part will be reprogrammed in our selves..

                        everything have a history thats what i try to tell ...at first place..

                        so when Good exist there is an evil side must follow it , when positive side of magnet exist there must be a negetive side to make that metal magnet otherwise its not magnet at all...

                        i just highlight main points again when we clearly read and ponder over all of it we get to know...and then other new topics will also arrise ,

                        like if God know already that it will gona happen, yeh obviosuly he was aware. and it was his plan.... he know every hidden thing of this universe... and evil does have forms and kinds as well... look in to these words

                        chapter 113
                        Say "I seek refuge with the Lord of the rising dawn,"
                        "From the evil among His creation or From the evil aspects of created things.
                        And from the evils of the darkness of Ignorance whenever and wherever it is encountered.
                        "And from the evil of those who blow on knots,"
                        And from the evil of the envious when he envies (and tries to harm)."

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                          hawk99
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                          Peace imrankhawaja

                          We agree to an extent, the key word is balance, the creation at this level is
                          composed of opposites or complimentary aspects which in turn produces the
                          reality that we experience. Outside of this life there is Jannah which is positive
                          or all good/bliss and jahanam which is negative and the absent of good.
                          In this life the two co-exist. To answer the question "why does evil exist?"
                          It exists because we live in a in a reality composed of the two extremes!

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                            Zulf
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                            Evil exists because we are able to be blind to reality, and therefore we think and act in evil ways.
                            Evil is a direct result of blindness/ignorance to reality.
                            Evil thoughts and actions are those that have a negative effect on creation.

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                              hawk99
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                              Evil exists bro Zulf because Allah created it!
                              Allah is the creator of all things. I think your are referring to
                              characteristics of evil

                              39/62 Allah is the Creator of all things, and He is, over all things, Disposer of affairs.

                              police

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                                Man_of_Faith
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                                Evil is what we do in ignorance and delusion. It is quite interesting actually that the most commonly used word for evil basically means darkness, i.e. zalam and it is because this is what you do when you actually stumble around not knowing what you are doing, no light; in ignorance.

                                Evilness is ignorance and it is anything which is not constructive and beneficial. It is mere imperception.

                                I can steal and hoard money, but for what use is it? Will my person grow?

                                I can murder a man because he murdered my brother, but what does it change? My brother will still be dead and the man cannot be more dead who was already dead (spiritually).

                                I can have sex with many women, but what benefit does it have for me? It pleases the flesh, but will I grow as a person?

                                I can worship a god, but what benefit is it to the god? Why will the god like it, does the god have primitive desires (like humanly kings)?

                                I can brag about my possessions and personal skill, but will that make me or anyone a better person? Will it not feed the instinctive call?

                                I can long for and be envious of my neighbor's possessions, social status and ability, but is any of it necessary for my personal development?

                                If you reflect everything highlighted above is zalam , i.e. "evil" or "is of darkness" (unenlightened). And many things may lead to another, if I am jealous of my neighbor perhaps I begin to employ dubious methods to acquire the same. Greed usually comes at the expense of another. And anything ignorant may be detrimental to yourself such as wasting hours in vain worship while you could have done something productive. Your Rabb knows what you need and how you fare without you even opening your mouth to tell, and Rabb knows how you feel about Rabb without your words

                                Be well
                                Amenuel

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                                  Timotheus
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                                  worshipping god is obviously not something he needs, we are the ones who arr in need of him, he is free of need and praiseworthy

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                                    Man_of_Faith
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                                    Well, why would we receive more through worship? That is a question. Logically Rabb would not be emotionally weak and be better to us if we are admirers. It would only be through our works we are judged. And obviously Rabb knows how much we "worship" without saying a word.

                                    I hoped you would realize such behavior of seeking confirmation of power is primitive.

                                    Be well
                                    Amenuel

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                                      Jafar
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                                      Well, why would we receive more through worship? That is a question. Logically Rabb would not be emotionally weak and be better to us if we are admirers. It would only be through our works we are judged. And obviously Rabb knows how much we "worship" without saying a word.

                                      I hoped you would realize such behavior of seeking confirmation of power is primitive.

                                      Human of the past could not exactly figured out the cause and effect of some phenomenon, thus they take an assumption / belief that everything is controlled / managed by a God and that God is angry with us.

                                      No rain for few months, the rain God must be angry with us because we forgot to worship Him..
                                      Prepare the ceremony to sacrifice the best among our virgins.. (as apparently the Rain God Imam saith the Rain God demands virgins to be sacrificed)..

                                      The next time you have problems with your computer, and you just couldn't figure out why.
                                      Remember that it's very possible that the Computer God is angry with you.. because you forgot to worship Him.

                                      https//erikbuys.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/idol-worship-social-media.jpg

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                                        Man_of_Faith
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                                        Anger is an instinct, Jafar. If God is angry then God is not more advanced than a child learning to control behavior seeing how often God is angry in traditional fashion. Anger also leads to proportionally weak judgement and hence probably why you can see humans are perceived to receive the punishment of burning in Hellfire forever because they missed to "acknowledge the higher power" and worship.

                                        Anger results in the wish of harming another if not handled spiritually by the person. It is as primitive as it can get.

                                        Be well
                                        Amenuel

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                                          imrankhawaja
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                                          logically there is no need of physical actions done by any human to make God happy ... what we call our worship... to God .

                                          people continously worship five time but infront of them they are selling drugs and and traffciking kids and women in some part of north west of pakistan where there is no law of law applied to humans called area under tribal control, this is just one example,, dn want to be rascit its just a example...

                                          what i am trying to say a act oof worship really need human gymnastic to make God happy if we continue to do the action oon other hand which God really get angry at..

                                          God did not require anything from human beings apart fromm the deeds which make this planet a peacful place thatts it...
                                          its people who change the words of rituals or worship to physical worship

                                          the worship is to listen God and obey his commands like not to steal, not to rob, not to murder, and help eachother by wealth , sources,
                                          dnt block the provision to someone which is bestowed to you by God... these things infact play a part to make you more close to nature and universal lord...

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