Who build "Masjdid Al Aqsa"? And who build "Masjid Al Haraam"?
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@ Adam The Warner & The Guided One
I think you both should do this handshake
How can we expect WORLD PEACE if we (ourselves) fight one another in our community?
How many members retreat (gone) from this forum because of 'unhealthy atmosphere' that often occurred on this forum?
I think this forum have lost its valuable members - and this is great loss, and I think the reason that caused it is because we still not truly follow the messages in the Qur'an. We still have lack of tolerance, lack of respect, lack of caring, lack of kindness, lack of brotherhood during the discussions, and the result is the less peaceful (or non peaceful) environment.
We should start to uphold peace in our own 'home'. How can we expect world peace if we ourselves do not start it in our own place/environment? Applying good values (tolerance, respect, etc) is important in order to have peaceful environment. I did not realize this in the past (I often had quarrels, I had lack of tolerance) - and recently I started to come to this realization, I think it has came the time for me to change myself regarding this, and I hope the others will also realize this.
Peace.
I have no problems with him, if he stops insulting people that try to follow the Torah and the Psalms.
Can a mod please talk with that guy. Now he is shoving things in my mouth...
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THE GUIDED ONE, I FORGIVE YOU, IF YOU ARE SINCERE. BUT PLEASE DO NOT WASTE ANOTHER THREAD!DO I NEED TO MAKE A NEW THREAD FOR THIS QUESTION I HAVE? I DID FORGET ABOUT YOU DUDE. I DON'T KNOW YOU. ONLY THING I SAID IS STOP TALKING SO BAD ABOUT ISRAELI AND ZIONIST PEOPLE SINCE THEY TRY TO UPHOLD THE TORAH AND PSALMS!
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I have made insults? Can you prove this.....
You were the one that was insulting zionists and israelis.
Please read 566 and 568 of the Quran. How can you then behave like that? If an israeli or zionist follows the Torah and the Psalms i see him/her as a brother/sister !
Sometimes you say things which are not true. Again, where did i insult you? Please prove this. Make a screenshot or something !
Please, relax. And be open-minded. There are just 2 kinds of people. Those that follow God and those that follow the Devil. Do you really want to go further with this?
you said You will fail, and you are such a loser. http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608216.30
you said Watch out for that idiot.i was not insulting, i even said that i do not hate them, they will be judged, just like me and no i do not want to go further, but i tried to explain it to you. Now you say that you did not insult me and i posted what you said,so do not lie,please and lets stop with this.
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some where in quran i was reading
God dnt like those people who break the things in land which God want us to join
and on other place God dnt like the one who create trouble or say something which cause us to create any trouble indeed God love not those who are michefmakers
so i suggest u guys patience and peace is the key fighting or proving right wrong is not a solution
God bless you all
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THE GUIDED ONE, I FORGIVE YOU, IF YOU ARE SINCERE. BUT PLEASE DO NOT WASTE ANOTHER THREAD!DO I NEED TO MAKE A NEW THREAD FOR THIS QUESTION I HAVE? I DID FORGET ABOUT YOU DUDE. I DON'T KNOW YOU. ONLY THING I SAID IS STOP TALKING SO BAD ABOUT ISRAELI AND ZIONIST PEOPLE SINCE THEY TRY TO UPHOLD THE TORAH AND PSALMS!
please stop using capitols and such giant text, its kind of like the equivalent of you shouting over top of everyone else. and i find it quite distracting, and can make things harder to read
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please stop using capitols and such giant text, its kind of like the equivalent of you shouting over top of everyone else. and i find it quite distracting, and can make things harder to read
Ah okey, may my Lord guide me.
Peace.
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peace all of you
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Salam,
I would answer that Abraham raised both Temples (one was on its foundations when he arrived, and the other was wiped out completely) - I assume the flood was the reason they were both badly damaged.
How can the flood damage both the Farthest Temple and the Forbidden Temple when Abraham wasn't born yet?
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I guess persecuting,killing and stealing land from Palestinians is a very worthy trait and upholdig whatever has to be upheld.
May God protected the persecuted and uphold their honour when the populace would want them to die away.
I know I am off topic, Zulf, but sometimes it is too much of nonsense that one can take keeping mum.
Long live Palestine.
Salaam to all that struggle for justice.
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I think you are asking the wrong question.
The first thing one should ask is
Does the information about "al masjid al haram" and "al masjid al aqsa" that we can extract from Quran match any of the narrative options we have been told?Luckily I wrote an article about just that, so anyone can test whatever understanding they have against what was found
http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/meaning-masjid-al-haram-Quran.html -
How can the flood damage both the Farthest Temple and the Forbidden Temple when Abraham wasn't born yet?
Peace,
This is a valid point, Layth, do you have evidence for this view, as from what i understand from your post, i dont see how that is possible..
prehaps i am missing something though. -
masjid e aqsa is not what we have in jerusalem,, becoz that mosque was biuilt after the death of prophet infact that name is also taken from quran..
but what i guess the aqsa word means the location which is so far.. the far mosque, may b that mosque is in medina or jerusalem or somwhere else .. God knows best..
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masjid e aqsa is not what we have in jerusalem,, becoz that mosque was biuilt after the death of prophet infact that name is also taken from quran..
but what i guess the aqsa word means the location which is so far.. the far mosque, may b that mosque is in medina or jerusalem or somwhere else .. God knows best..
RED This makes no sense. What is far? And from which position is it far?
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masjid e aqsa is not what we have in jerusalem,, becoz that mosque was biuilt after the death of prophet infact that name is also taken from quran..
but what i guess the aqsa word means the location which is so far.. the far mosque, may b that mosque is in medina or jerusalem or somwhere else .. God knows best..
If it was not build by Mohammed? Then who is this verse speaking to?
Or how could Mohammed be able to visit the Farthest Temple if it wasnt build yet?
PS And i definitly learned about the Tabernacle that was build by Moses in the Torah. Maybe its smarter to read the Quran and use that Light when reading the Torah/Psalms/Gospel etc. Because the Quran was revealed for a reason? Its not a new religion? We can learn from the Gospel that Jesus, Son of Mary, Messiah did follow the Torah while receiving the Gospel. In the end its one religion.
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If it was not build by Mohammed? Then who is this verse speaking to?
Or how could Mohammed be able to visit the Farthest Temple if it wasnt build yet?
PS And i definitly learned about the Tabernacle that was build by Moses in the Torah. Maybe its smarter to read the Quran and use that Light when reading the Torah/Psalms/Gospel etc. Because the Quran was revealed for a reason? Its not a new religion? We can learn from the Gospel that Jesus, Son of Mary, Messiah did follow the Torah while receiving the Gospel. In the end its one religion.
Peace,
I cant remember exactly the name, but this is a common problem, and a logical fallacy in which you see point B and relate it to point A, when point A is not nesseccarily refering to the point B which came afterwards.. or something along those lines, if you get what i mean..
muhammad was taken to al-masjid al-aqsa. what/whereever that is. after the fact, and after the time of muhammad, seemingly to back up their hadiths which say al-masjid al-haram is in mecca, and al-masjid al-aqsa is in jerusalem, which is too far to travel in one night, they built a mosque in jerusalem called al-masjid al-aqsa, and claimed that muhammad travelled on a noble and mystical steed in the dead of the night from mecca to jerusalem.
Also in my understanding the temple was built by solomon, that the tabernacle build by moses was more of a portable, travelling tent type building to house the ark of the covenant. they are two different things. although both, can i guess be a 'masjid'
i think you raised a valid point, in that we should use the light of the quran as a confirmation, and a criterion (standard by which to judge a thing) against Gods previous scriptures, as the interpretation is often, as is similar with the quran, distorted by those who follow other sources of law besides Gods scriptures.. of course the Qurans interpretation itself being possibly distorted, this leads us to a situation where we realy must be carefull to verify everything for ourselves, and geek Gods clarity and guidance on the matter.
Peace
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Peace,
I cant remember exactly the name, but this is a common problem, and a logical fallacy in which you see point B and relate it to point A, when point A is not nesseccarily refering to the point B which came afterwards.. or something along those lines, if you get what i mean..
muhammad was taken to al-masjid al-aqsa. what/whereever that is. after the fact, and after the time of muhammad, seemingly to back up their hadiths which say al-masjid al-haram is in mecca, and al-masjid al-aqsa is in jerusalem, which is too far to travel in one night, they built a mosque in jerusalem called al-masjid al-aqsa, and claimed that muhammad travelled on a noble and mystical steed in the dead of the night from mecca to jerusalem.
Also in my understanding the temple was built by solomon, that the tabernacle build by moses was more of a portable, travelling tent type building to house the ark of the covenant. they are two different things. although both, can i guess be a 'masjid'
i think you raised a valid point, in that we should use the light of the quran as a confirmation, and a criterion (standard by which to judge a thing) against Gods previous scriptures, as the interpretation is often, as is similar with the quran, distorted by those who follow other sources of law besides Gods scriptures.. of course the Qurans interpretation itself being possibly distorted, this leads us to a situation where we realy must be carefull to verify everything for ourselves, and geek Gods clarity and guidance on the matter.
Peace
I dont accept any words of men as a guide besides the word of God. So therefore i dont accept that story about the mystical beast. And thats why i am really curious about the truth in this matter brother.
Yes, God alone we shall need to serve, and He alone we shall need to seek for help. So at the moment i am trying to read the Older Testaments to come to the conclusion.
Oh, by the way, hmmm, how should i say it? 90%? 95%? of the so called Muslims today probably didnt read the Old Testament. Sadly. And thats why you get such weird doctrines. Because if you reject the Old Testaments, then how are you going to understand the terms that are being used in the Quran. So thats why its important to read All the Available Scriptures. How are you going to understand the alphabet by just reading and learning the last 1/4 of the alphabet and rejecting and not reading the first 3/4 of the alphabet?
May our Lord guide us.
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I dont accept any words of men as a guide besides the word of God. So therefore i dont accept that story about the mystical beast. And thats why i am really curious about the truth in this matter brother.
Yes, God alone we shall need to serve, and He alone we shall need to seek for help. So at the moment i am trying to read the Older Testaments to come to the conclusion.
Oh, by the way, hmmm, how should i say it? 90%? 95%? of the so called Muslims today probably didnt read the Old Testament. Sadly. And thats why you get such weird doctrines. Because if you reject the Old Testaments, then how are you going to understand the terms that are being used in the Quran. So thats why its important to read All the Available Scriptures. How are you going to understand the alphabet by just reading and learning the last 1/4 of the alphabet and rejecting and not reading the first 3/4 of the alphabet?
May our Lord guide us.
Peace, valid point, Gods scriptures are a continuation, sadly most of the people who claim to follow the quran believe in abbrogation, the quran abbrogates the previous scriptures, and hadiths abbrogate the quran, hence they just follow the hadiths instead..
also the point i was trying to make, is that most of theese translations, are the interpretation of biblical scholars etc, many of whom believe in other sources of law besides the revelations of god, hence be aware of this when reading them, and do your best to verify, research for yourelf what the torah etc actualy says, and seek godsguidance for its true interpretation.
hebrew is such a basic language, it can be interpreted in such a variety of readings, because, just like the quran, it was revealed without vowel markings, hence much of the meaning is derived from the context of the words. and may or may not be accurate, now that they have added vowel markings, which limit the interpretation. i dont know exactly, but i advise patience, and seeking gods guidance.
edit i should say, it was written down without vowel markings, i would think god revealed it as a quran (recital) so the readings were known originaly, but possibly lost over time
peace
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Peace, valid point, Gods scriptures are a continuation, sadly most of the people who claim to follow the quran believe in abbrogation, the quran abbrogates the previous scriptures, and hadiths abbrogate the quran, hence they just follow the hadiths instead..
also the point i was trying to make, is that most of theese translations, are the interpretation of biblical scholars etc, many of whom believe in other sources of law besides the revelations of god, hence be aware of this when reading them, and do your best to verify, research for yourelf what the torah etc actualy says, and seek godsguidance for its true interpretation.
hebrew is such a basic language, it can be interpreted in such a variety of readings, because, just like the quran, it was revealed without vowel markings, hence much of the meaning is derived from the context of the words. and may or may not be accurate, now that they have added vowel markings, which limit the interpretation. i dont know exactly, but i advise patience, and seeking gods guidance.
edit i should say, it was written down without vowel markings, i would think god revealed it as a quran (recital) so the readings were known originaly, but possibly lost over time
peace
I don't know what that word means that is translated as abrogated in arabic.
All we can do is deliver the message. I sometimes find myself arguing to much. Then i think, why didn't i just give them a copy of the Scriptures instead!
I don't know brother. May my Lord grant me Hes Word.
Let's not forget that it's the Word of God, He will Guard it.
