Have we given this script too much credit-made an idol of it
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Peace Idris
in your article you said that debate/conference occurs four times in the period of four full moons, the ten days from the full moon to the crecent moon, does this include the full moon of ramadan? as you know in the debate/conference we are allowed and even told eat from the livestock that God provided us and we are to be abstaining in the full moon of ramadan
And call out to mankind with the debate, they will come to you walking and on every transport, they will come from every deep enclosure.
So that they may witness benefits for themselves and recall The God?s description in the appointed days over what He has provided for them of the animal livestock. So eat from it and feed the needy and the poor.Then let them complete their duties and fulfill their vows, and let them partake at the ancient house.
Thus, and whosoever honours The God?s restrictions, then it is better for him with His Lord. And the livestock is made lawful for you except what is recited upon you. So avoid the foulness of idols and avoid saying false statements. (2227-30)I am not sure about the answer but I think that we hear in 2197 that the debate takes place at known full-moons that WHOMEVER (ie people) has prescribed the debate in. So perhaps the debate can be prescribed in three out of the four restricted full-moons or at any time of the year. The only function of the restricted full-moons is the limitation on hunting. As far as I know, there is nothing that links them to the debate.
Perhaps we will find a better answer through more learning and debate.
Peace and all best wishes,
Ayman
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Peace Idris,
After pondering on your question some more, I think that we need to consider the purpose of 7ajj/debate. Here is something that I had posted on another thread that I think might help
My understanding is that "7ajj" is a gathering like the annual fair. People come from all over to trade, get benefits, meet other people, and be reminded of The God's favors. We are told in 2227 that Ibrahim invited people "WITH/BI al-7ajj" and not "TO/ILA al-7ajj" to witness benefits. You can only invite ALL people with something beneficial and non-descriminatory. We are told in 2827 that Moses was hired to work for 8 "7ijaj". What was hired to do? Clearly, he was hired to work and tend for sheep (2823-24) and NOT for any religious pilgrimage. What does working and tending sheep has to do with "7ajj"? Naturally, people work and produce so that they can BARGAIN with their products. Bargaining is a kind of debate and it results in witnessing benefits by the seller and the buyer. Thus, "al-7ajj"/the debate is like the annual fair where people work all year and then go to sell and/or buy products. Mid summer - early fall is the natural time for such markets because produce and livestock are plentiful. The large gathering of "7ajj" provides a good opportunity to remind as many people as possible of The God. It is also an opportunity for the advantaged to donate and provide for the disadvantaged.
When one keeps in mind the purpose of the debate, one can see that the time where in general produce and livestock are plentiful is the best time for the debate. The burning/red full-moon takes place between June 21-July 20 or so. The natural time to harvest most crops takes place from mid-July to about mid-October.
On another thread, brother Beatnik mentioned the harvest moon, which occurs after the autumn equinox. This moon is called so because its light gives farmers extra time to work and harvest their crops before the end of the season. At this stage, I think that out of the four restricted full-moons, the first full-moon (the burning/red full-moon) is for abstinence, while the remaining three are for the debate.
I hope this helps.
Peace and all best wishes,
Ayman
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peace upon you ayman,
Peace Idris,
After pondering on your question some more, I think that we need to consider the purpose of 7ajj/debate. Here is something that I had posted on another thread that I think might help
My understanding is that "7ajj" is a gathering like the annual fair. People come from all over to trade, get benefits, meet other people, and be reminded of The God's favors. We are told in 2227 that Ibrahim invited people "WITH/BI al-7ajj" and not "TO/ILA al-7ajj" to witness benefits. You can only invite ALL people with something beneficial and non-descriminatory. We are told in 2827 that Moses was hired to work for 8 "7ijaj". What was hired to do? Clearly, he was hired to work and tend for sheep (2823-24) and NOT for any religious pilgrimage. What does working and tending sheep has to do with "7ajj"? Naturally, people work and produce so that they can BARGAIN with their products. Bargaining is a kind of debate and it results in witnessing benefits by the seller and the buyer. Thus, "al-7ajj"/the debate is like the annual fair where people work all year and then go to sell and/or buy products. Mid summer - early fall is the natural time for such markets because produce and livestock are plentiful. The large gathering of "7ajj" provides a good opportunity to remind as many people as possible of The God. It is also an opportunity for the advantaged to donate and provide for the disadvantaged.
When one keeps in mind the purpose of the debate, one can see that the time where in general produce and livestock are plentiful is the best time for the debate. The burning/red full-moon takes place between June 21-July 20 or so. The natural time to harvest most crops takes place from mid-July to about mid-October.
On another thread, brother Beatnik mentioned the harvest moon, which occurs after the autumn equinox. This moon is called so because its light gives farmers extra time to work and harvest their crops before the end of the season. At this stage, I think that out of the four restricted full-moons, the first full-moon (the burning/red full-moon) is for abstinence, while the remaining three are for the debate.
I hope this helps.
Peace and all best wishes,
Ayman
good explanation, I'll be abstaining this summer solstice except if The God wills, I find it interesting that the three months of harvest occur directly after the full moon of the summer solstice, which is ramadan