Who makes the rules here.? MOD !== GOD

Timotheus

Peace.

this is a quote from what is now a locked topic, by Wakas

"As is often the case, a member typically only gives their side of the story if/when they receive a ban. As per the rules, moderator/admin decisions should only be discussed directly with admin/mods, hence this thread was trashed. It has now been locked.I am not singling you out Wakas, rather all of the moderators, who have a responsibility here.
What happened to affairs being decided by mutual consultation between each other? (423
Where is the transparency?
Where is the other side of the story?
do you have something to hide?
if not then why can matters not be discussed in public?
i guess you are going to lock this thread as well, and put it in the trash? or do we get answers?
can you not see this is driving people away?
the moderators are all very fast in banning members and what not, but what about the requests the forum users have made?
where is the action with that?
please answer my questions. publicly, as im sure many people here would like some clarity. at the very least.

Peace.

Timotheus

And as for this rediculous bb code, thats another matter.

I give up.

Wakas

peace Timotheus,

It is not really possible to answer your questions because they are not clear. You will have to clarify your questions. To help, you can provide a practical example to explain what you mean.

Also, I recommend you have a look at past discussion threads as some of the issues you raise may have come up before.

Timotheus

peace Timotheus,

It is not really possible to answer your questions because they are not clear. You will have to clarify your questions. To help, you can provide a practical example to explain what you mean.

Also, I recommend you have a look at past discussion threads as some of the issues you raise may have come up before.

Peace Wakas,

Please, what needs clarifying?

The colour of the Heifer?

I quoted the post you posted. there is your example. theres plenty more to choose from. a whole heard of them..

Wakas

peace,

I hope in real life you do not expect the one questioned to answer you if they are unsure of the question. That is generally not how it works.

Also, you seem to have misunderstood an aspect of "the heifer story" you seem to be referring to. In that story God (who has sure knowledge/certainty) is commanding a group to do X - there is no surety, no God, and no command in this context.

In any case, let me demonstrate what I mean with your first question

What happened to affairs being decided by mutual consultation between each other? (423

Admin/mods do participate in mutual consultation when making decisions, unless it is a blatant violation. There was also mutual consultation when drafting the rules.
Thus, if you meant something else you will have to clarify what and how that would work, so we can see what you mean.

Timotheus

Peace.

This is pointless. you just keep avoiding my questions, and this silly BB code is frustrating.

For you are your deeds and for me are mine. Peace be upon you. i do not seek after the ignorant.

Bender

Hi,

I guess this is about the ban of Lastday3.
I also have no idea why he got banned, I never read anything provocative in his posts and I do not see his links to his website as spam, we all post links to external sites.
In the past I have been occasionally very rude to him for no other reason then my emotions (I am really sorry for that Lastday3 -[ ), but he always replied in a much better manner to me.
I hope this was just a mistake.

savage_carrot

he was banned for derailing threads even when told not to explicitly previously. There is a long standing history between LD3 and the admin and it is private. If someone wants to inquire about any decision, personal message the admin as clearly stated in the rules and repeated in various threads dealing with the same.

the moderators are all very fast in banning members and what not, but what about the requests the forum users have made?
where is the action with that?
Your request was passed on at the time to the person responsible for dealing with technical issues and they aren't there anymore. I've since notified others, I can't due to travel.

^ Issues such as these can be easily and politely resolved, there is no need to be hostile. If no one has responded to a thread specifically, why not just personal message and ask. Others can be busy or not have read particular threads.

LastDay3

Salaam/Peace to All,

first of all, dear Admins and Friends,
this is what I clearly said here

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608719.0

from LastDay3 to FreeMinds team,

Dear Admin (S_C), honestly, I have not (and still cannot) see anything "off-topic" in that link you referred to above.

But I sincerely apologize again if I (unknowingly/unintentionally) did something wrong that have made you upset with me.
You have always been absolutely patient, always perfectly fair and kind to me,
and hope you will always continue to treat me (and all other members of this Great "Free-Minds" Family here) the same.

So I hope you will never again ban me from posting, ..................................................................................

I think, Bender clearly understands and perfectly addresses the issue above,
because here the main problem is

what I have posted above (and anywhere else in Free-Minds site) are not "off-topic" and are not "spam,"
(whether you may agree with all or some of what I say in those posts or disagree
--(Timotheus, Bender, Hanslan who took notice and replied in this thread here
not because of anything else --(because I do not know and have no mail correspondence at all and never seen any of them in person
or even in any social media platform at all)--
but purely due to their high conscientiousness and perfect sense of justice and honesty and integrity in their souls
sometimes agree and sometimes totally disagree with all or some of what I say in those posts,
and that's perfectly Okay with me 6/161-164 = 2/286)-- but all of them seem to clearly understand and wholeheartedly defend the Fact that

as a full Member of Free-Minds family here (for more than 3 or 4 years) I should have the same Rights as any other Member here.
There are a lot of Members here who freely refer to many internal or external links in their posts and write whatever they want to write about and
as much as they want, and I am all for it,
even when I completely disagree with all or some of what they write in their posts, I do not consider any of them as "spam,"
but I always wholeheartedly defend their Rights to freely write and post whatever they want to write and post in this wonderful Free-Minds platform.

So finally, all I want to say is this
I have always been and inshaAL-LAH will always be truly thankful to all dear Admins and especially to dear Admin S_C
in this respect here, who has always been perfectly fair, just and kind to me.
So, I cannot blame dear Admin S_C in no way, and I cannot accuse or resent dear Admin S_C in no way,
that would be gross injustice on my part, if I acted in such an ungrateful, rude and ignorant and arrogant way.

But I ask you again, in the Name of AL-LAH, please, reconsider it and perfectly see the Fact that
what I post here are not "off-topic" and are not "spam," so they should never be banned, never be trashed, never be locked --(due to the Reasons clarified above).

Such a harsh ban and restriction here would make me and all other Members of this Great "Free-Minds" Family here
who are highly conscientious and have perfect sense of justice and honesty and integrity in their souls
very uncomfortable, very anxious and deeply worried.

May AL-LAH bless all of us, Greatly. (=42/38-39)

Remain in peace/salaam.

good_logic

Peace All.

I see the following

1- One of the best open and fair forum on line.
2- Clear rules that everyone agrees with when they join.
3-Mutual respect between the vast majority of members and the admin /moderators.
4-Procedures that deal with enquiries/complaints/grievances...Like notify/pm/report to moderators..
5- Mostly Professional and dedicated people running and taking part here that are willing to apologise and correct if a rare mistake/error of judgement occurs.

When a misunderstanding /human error/misjudgement occurs,we must trust each other and the admin to get it sorted,draw a line and move on to business as usual.
Most of us are very much aware of the "conduct" instructed in Qoran, mainly forgive,think good things about others, help one another,support each other,learn from each other ...etc.

LastDay3, I have a good vibe about your honesty and conduct. May you long continue to contribute here.
Everyone else in this forum your contributions have been valuable to me over the last few years. May you all continue to contribute and keep this forum a beacon to spread GOD s message.
Mods, may you all continue to lead this forum for the benefit of all . ( better the devil you know! Only kidding)

GOD bless you all
Peace.

Timotheus

Peace,

Mods please consult the community regarding this issue

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608677.0
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606326.0
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604297.0
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604289.0

Theese Topics are all more or less requesting a section for arabic language.

i think this is one of the most important things!! because so many people are mislead by english translations, sincere or not. the quran was revealed in arabic, and an understanding of it, could greatly contribute to all of our knowledge of The Deen.

so far

from those topics 6 members are for the idea. i am also for the idea.

in my understanding, some members also made the valid point that arabic language is not required for understanding the deen, i agree. However, for those who wish to follow the Quran, if the interpretation of it ('translation&#039 is distorted or unclear, then it can be misleading. We should encourage the community to learn, because it is benefitial for the whole community.

if people are basing there ideas on 'the authority' of an english interpretation of the quran, well, anyone who understands will understand. semetic language is not easily translated, and we miss so much of the meaning when it is. Do we need the quran? no, but what a blessing and a guidance it is. And i am thankfull that God has taught me what i know of it(the arabic quran), because thanks to Him teaching me arabic, i understand the quran much easier and better and it is clarification.

there is not anyone opposed to the idea, in my understanding.

i respect that savage_carrot has aknowledged many of theese posts, but i am asking you all (Mods), by God, please make an effort to consult the community on this idea. You have a responsibility to this community.

he was banned for derailing threads even when told not to explicitly previously. There is a long standing history between LD3 and the admin and it is private. If someone wants to inquire about any decision, personal message the admin as clearly stated in the rules and repeated in various threads dealing with the same.
Your request was passed on at the time to the person responsible for dealing with technical issues and they aren't there anymore. I've since notified others, I can't due to travel.

^ Issues such as these can be easily and politely resolved, there is no need to be hostile. If no one has responded to a thread specifically, why not just personal message and ask. Others can be busy or not have read particular threads.

savage_carrot, i refuse to support your secret consultations. God will bring to light everything. If theese matters are effecting the community, which surely must be the reason why you are taking action, then why can we not publicaly discuss theese matter? if they are not effecting the community, then why are they rules??

also Praise God, i have finaly got an answer. again, the reason why i do not like to personal message people, is because the whole community needs to be informed of things. Please dont keep us in the dark.

If there is a technical issue, i offer my technical skills to resolve it. if i recall correctly i have done so before, though this could have been an intention not an action.

In regards to the real issues,

Does anyone get answers? in public? i am not going to personal message any of you. i desire that you make public the answers to the questions i asked. If there is any lack of clarity please ask for clarification. Please, by God, stop avoiding the questions, and rehearsing your 'pre-prepared moderator script' of 'its in the rules if you desire to speak to an admin please do so via personal message', i find it very frustrating when people avoiding questions! and when people do not even reply.
Now i understand we all make mistakes, i myself have done so, if God has willed, will continue to do so, I am frustrated, but i do my best to let go, and forgive, and overlook others errors, it is not my intention to be hostile, but i see this as a transgression against God, and the Quran, it clearly advised people to seek mutual consultation between themselves! not just three or four 'forum overlords'.

587 Do you not realize that God knows everything in the heavens and everything on the earth? No three people can meet secretly without Him being their fourth, nor five without Him being the sixth, nor less than that, nor more, without Him being there with them wherever they may be. Then, on the Day of Resurrection, He will inform them of everything they had done. God is fully aware of all things.
588 Have you noted those who were prohibited from holding meetings in secret, but then they go back to what they have been prohibited from? They meet secretly to commit sin, transgression, and disobedience of the messenger. When they come to you, they greet you with a greeting other than that which God greets you with. They say inside themselves "Why does God not punish us for our utterances?" Hell will be sufficient for them, wherein they burn; what a miserable destiny.
589 O you who believe, if you must meet secretly, then you shall not meet to commit sin, transgression, and to disobey the messenger. You shall meet to work righteousness and piety. And be aware of God, before whom you will be summoned.
5810 Secret meetings are from the devil, to cause grief to those who believed. However, he cannot harm them except if God wills. In God the believers shall put their trust.
3159 It was a mercy from God that you were soft towards them; had you been harsh and hard-hearted, they would have dispersed from you; so pardon them and ask forgiveness for them, and consult them in the matter; but when you are convinced, then put your trust in God; for God loves those who put their trust.

4238 And those who have responded to their Lord, and they apply the law-giving, and their affairs are conducted by mutual consultation among themselves, and from Our provisions to them they give.
Please consider. Theese examples may not be directly related, some of them may be, but one direct question, please Mods..

If you have nothing to Hide, if you are not transgressing, and everything is fair and just, then why must we consult you privately?

I would much appreciate, as prehaps other members also would, an answer to this question.

Peace be with you.

LastDay3

Peace All.

I see the following

1- One of the best open and fair forum on line.
......................
......................

When a misunderstanding/human error/misjudgement occurs, we must trust each other and the admin to get it sorted,
draw a line and move on to business as usual.
Most of us are very much aware of the "conduct" instructed in Quran, mainly forgive, think good things about others, help one another,
support each other, learn from each other ...etc.

Totally agree. May AL-LAH bless you, Greatly, Good Logic. (=3/104, 4/114)

LastDay3, I have a good vibe about your honesty and conduct. May you long continue to contribute here.
Everyone else in this forum your contributions have been valuable to me over the last few years.
May you all continue to contribute and keep this forum a beacon to spread GOD s message.

Totally agree again. I have the exact same feelings and Good/Best Wishes and Prayers for you, Good Logic, and also for all other truthful Members of this Forum.

Though all of us may absolutely have "AL-LAH Given Right" to disagree, or to see things differently in some Issues (=17/84 & 6/164 & 2/286),

as long as "one and only Purpose/Desire in our hearts is to glorify AL-LAH and to serve and love HIM with all our heart & soul & strength & mind"

AL-LAH never abandons, never forsakes, never ignores none of HIS Servants. (=5/16 & 2/286)

Mods, may you all continue to lead this forum for the benefit of all. ( better the devil you know! Only kidding)

GOD bless you all
Peace.

Totally agree again, except the devil part >
AL-LAH did not send me here to be a devil, Good Logic,
but HE has sent me here to fight against Devil with all the Power HE has bestowed
unto me and all of HIS truthful Servants, united in one column, like bricks in one wall. (=61/4)
muscle muscle muscle muscle muscle

I am ready to contribute to this Forum also by paying a monthly or yearly contribution, as much as I can,
if needs be or/and it is requested or accepted from me, --(as a voluntary contribution),
that dear Mods may continue to lead this Forum for the benefit of all, as you said it very well, Good Logic.
--(*as such a voluntary not obligatory contribution =9/60 if needs be or/and it is requested or accepted here,
under the Recommendation of AL-LAH unto me here (=9/60).

Remain in peace/salaam.

Layth

Peace,

I'm not sure I understood all the requests, but I have created an Arabic language category, which seems to be one of the points raised

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?board=53

Hizbullah