Takes time to reach God?

[imrankhawaja]

yes my brothher , we are off topic becoz you did not ponder over the signs which i send you in the reply ... 78

light is a sign of God i agree
lot of other things are sign of God i agree

what i disagree is light or vibrating energy strings cannot be God..

[Man_of_Faith]

Yet you do not understand for God sake. I am saying energy is a measurable or sometimes visible phenomenon of God's being. Energy is only a result of raw force. That a human's heart is beating is because of this mysterious force as it to us just seems to simply beat without any other reason than someone decided it would beat.

The to us measurable phenomenon in the heart example is the electric impulse that cause the heart muscle to beat.

I am so scientifically explaining this and yet you repeat the same statement "God is not made of strings of energy". This is also your argument, but try to understand the scientific background which worldly scientists have discovered recently about the world being made from a mysterious force which phenomenon is experienced as energy to us. Energy is just a man-made term.

And did you know you cannot destroy energy as matter it just takes a different form?

Be well
Amenuel

[imrankhawaja]

actually there is something/ force/ energy/ x(unidentified) /y (unexpalinable) /z (unwatchable) whatever you will come up cannot define the nature of God...

its something we can only imagine and we will imagine with the limited mind provided to us... how hard we will try to figure out the nature of God we cannot get results very simple becoz,,, knowlege provided to us or eyes provided to us is limited.. cannot calculate God...

think about moses when he wanted to understand the nature?

and moreover whatever we will imagine is just imagination nothing close to the reality... all theories are just unproveable or on other words just ideas of material mind...

[Man_of_Faith]

That is just because God is pure force.

[imrankhawaja]

That is just because God is pure force.

yeh for making our minds understand a force that governs the laws of universe...

the nature of force what we know is far away to compare...

[LastDay3]

..........

But the "vibrating strings of energy" are Rabb,

.........
Be well
Amenuel

.........

I can correct the statement more clearly by saying
The " phenomenon" causing the charge of light is what is Rabb.

.........
Be well
Amenuel

.........

The separate one God distinct from us is a religious fabrication.
We are like a drop of the ocean and the ocean is God.

.........
Be well
Amenuel

Salaam/Peace Man of Faith,

I strongly disagree again with all of your such baseless assumptions above;
because in QURAN TESTAMENT
it is most decisively, clearly and unmistakably indicated that

the "vibrating strings of energy" canNot be RABB,

The " phenomenon" causing the charge of light canNot be RABB,

and

We are like a drop of the ocean, but that ocean canNot be GOD.

because according to QURAN TESTAMENT

---

the whole Universe/s with

all "vibrating strings of energy" therein are Servant of RABB ,

(=and those "strings" are Not a "portion/share/piece/part" of RABB,
in no way, at all,)

QURAN TESTAMENT (17/44 = 19/65) & (43/15 = 41/37-38)

---

---

The " phenomenon" causing the charge of light is Servant of RABB,,

(=and that "phenomenon" is Not a "portion/share/piece/part" of RABB,
in no way, at all,)

QURAN TESTAMENT (17/44 = 19/65) & (43/15 = 41/37-38)

---

---

We are like a drop of the ocean, and that ocean is Servant of GOD.

(=and that "ocean" is Not a "portion/share/piece/part" of RABB,
in no way, at all,

QURAN TESTAMENT (17/44 = 19/65) & (43/15 = 41/37-38)

---

All of those most Critical and fundamental Verses of/in QURAN TESTAMENT,
which clearly and unmistakably teaches and unshakably establishes
each of these "QURANIC Facts" above,
have already clearly and openly been presented, in these previous posts,
here

Salaam/Peace TruthSeeker11,

So please, absolutely hear this

=The Creator (=AL-LAH) is Everywhere
with HIS Limitless & Infinite --(Knowing and Seeing and Hearing and Controlling and Governing and Judging)-- Powers

(=QURAN TESTAMENT 2/115 = 6/59 & 57/4 & 58/7 & ............)

but HIS Individual/Personal Presence is absolutely above and beyond all Universe/s and
all Things we can ever imagine, above us,
And for this reason,

====================
4- the Angels and the Spirit (=i.e. Gabriel, =16/102) ascend to HIM (=AL-LAH)
in a day whose length/measure is fifty thousand years.

(QURAN TESTAMENT 70/4)

all of these Angels together with Gabriel (Peace be upon Him) perfectly leading them above
MUST make this Magnificent Ascent above in 50.000 Years (*please, absolutely see it again in my previous post above)
finally, to be able to ascend to our Lord AL-LAH's Individual/Personal Presence at the end of their Magnificent Ascent above.

But
"If the Creator were everywhere with His Individual/Personal/Physical Presence
and so everything were "part" of the Creator in His Individual/Personal/Physical Presence"
(according to your mistaken/wrongful assumption that you keep on repeating above, blindly, again and again, ......)

then why all of these Angels together with Gabriel (Peace be upon Him) above
should bother themselves with such a Huge Task of such a Magnificent Ascent
which takes 50.000 Years for them --(it must be unimaginably enormous/immense Journey & Phenomenon for us)--
to be able to ascend to our Lord AL-LAH's Individual/Personal Presence at the end of their Magnificent Ascent above?

So, even just this one Verse alone above
clearly and unmistakably proves that all your such assumptions above

= "the Creator is everywhere with His Individual/Personal/Physical Presence
and so everything are "part" of the Creator in His Individual/Personal/Physical Presence!"

or/and (in other words)

="We are like a drop of the ocean and the ocean is God!"

are fundamentally wrongful/mistaken assumptions, from the very beginning!

And all of your other (basically similar/same type of) mistaken/wrongful assumptions above have already clearly been addressed,
and they have most decisively and unmistakably been refuted
in all of these crystal clear Verses in QURAN TESTAMENT

(70/4 = 43/15 & 42/11 & 28/88 & 112/1-4 & ...........)

they are clearly presented here
in each of these previous posts above

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608758.msg393331#msg393331

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608758.msg393391#msg393391

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608758.msg393592#msg393592

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608758.msg393671#msg393671

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608758.msg393723#msg393723

TruthSeeker11, your only enthusiastic supporter/friend here (=Man of Faith) --(who may be
even in much worse condition than you, in this respect),
because you still --mistakenly/wrongfully-- imply that

=vibrating strings of energy (and the whole creation and so automatically you yourself) are "part" of God!
*probably, because of such bad "inspirations" of your such bad friends above (=6/112-113) from Galactic Federation and
3 rd density human/jinn aliens > > therein, (=6/112-113)

and he may still be --mistakenly/wrongfully-- implying that

=vibrating strings of energy (and the whole creation and so automatically he himself) is God!
*probably, because of such bad "inspirations" of his such bad friends above (=6/112-113) from Galactic Federation and
6 th density human/jinn aliens > > therein. (=6/112-113)

But I still and will always truly love both of you and deeply care for both of you,
as my dear Fellow/Friends,
and will again wholeheartedly recommend you
to open your mind and eyes ! ! and read (=QURAN TESTAMENT 6/114)

to completely get rid of that satanic influence & intoxication of those
3 rd density or 6 th density human/jinn aliens above (=6/112-113),

and all of us immediately and wholeheartedly repent and return to our Lord AL-LAH

here (=QURAN TESTAMENT 6/114),

that we may all together be perfectly Guided and abundantly Blessed by our One and Only Lord AL-LAH,
forever, inshaAL-LAH,

here (=QURAN TESTAMENT 25/70-71, 72-76),

as it is honestly, straightforwardly and wholeheartedly recommended
for each and every one of us, also here again

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608758.msg393722#msg393722

Remain in peace/salaam.

[Man_of_Faith]

I told already that Rabb is NOT the vibrating strings of energy. I said that the energy is a projection by the innate force of Rabb.

There are no baseless claims here, they are based on latest empirical research which can prove the outer layer mass is projected by an unknown permanent radiation source. The source seems to simply radiate energy "out of the blue", but obviously it is a manifestation of a powerful force. I did say that the world is made of energy that takes form as matter, the high density matter (high density of energy bound together) is thus solid and the color of things is only an illusion due to that light shines upon the matter which reflects it to various degrees which determine the color of the resulting phenomenon.

Rabb on the other hand is more than merely the energy and I told you the energy is only the resulting component of friction for which you need movement.

Please learn to read.

Be well
Amenuel

[LastDay3]

I told already that Rabb is NOT the vibrating strings of energy.

I said that the energy is a projection by the innate force of Rabb.

.........

Rabb on the other hand is more than merely the energy

and I told you the energy is only the resulting component of friction for which you need movement.

Please learn to read.

Be well
Amenuel

Salaam/Peace Man of Faith,

don't worry about that, dear Brother/Friend, I can clearly see and read what you are writing.
Then please, you too carefully see and read what I am saying to you, now here

that "energy" you are referring to above

is a universal "energy" created by our RABB (=AL-LAH)
and it is a Servant of RABB (=AL-LAH)
--(*because our whole Universe, all matter/energy therein has been created by our RABB (=AL-LAH),
and it is entirely, absolutely and only a Servant of RABB (=AL-LAH).

here, from the very Beginning =QURAN TESTAMENT 17/44 = 19/65

and therefore,
that universal "energy" you are referring to above
is Not a "portion/share/piece/part" of RABB (=AL-LAH),
in no way, at all,

because our Lord AL-LAH's Individual/Personal Presence
and
HIS Individual/Personal Light-Energy (=Noor)

is totally Distinct/Separate/Different above and beyond all things we can ever imagine,

--*it can Never be compared or likened to any universal "energy" such as
you are referring to above--

as it is absolutely and unmistakably pointed out and emphasized
in these crystal clear Verses of/in QURAN TESTAMENT,
here

====================
11- ............................ There is nothing like HIM.
And HE is the Hearer, the Seer.

(QURAN TESTAMENT 42/11)

• Thus our Lord AL-LAH can Never be likened and Never be compared to "anything" we know of,
  because HE is totally Different/Separate/Distinct above and beyond all things we can ever imagine.

====================
103- The eyesight cannot reach/perceive HIM, yet HE can reach/perceive all eyesight;
for HE is the Expert, the Cognizant.

(QURAN TESTAMENT 6/103)

• Thus even if we were able to ascend and reach --(together with those honorable "Angels" above)
  to our Lord AL-LAH's Individual/Personal Presence in those fifty-thousand years above --(as we have clearly witnessed it
  in the above Verse =70/4),
  even then our eyesight could not reach/perceive HIM even there,
  (*only in Hereafter when/if HE grants us, inshaAL-LAH, most sophisticated and advanced eyesight,
  then we may be able to look at and clearly see our Lord AL-LAH's Magnificent Individual/Personal Presence therein =75/22-23),

but our Lord AL-LAH can reach/perceive all eyesight at any moment, at any place here (=20/46 & 57/4 & 58/7 & .....)
from HIS Majestic Station that is fifty-thousand years above --(as we have clearly witnessed it
in this above Verse again, in the first place =70/4).

====================
35- AL-LAH is the Light-Energy of the heavens and the earth.
The allegory of HIS Light-Energy is
like a niche within which there is a lamp, the lamp is encased in a glass, the glass is like a radiant star,
which is lit from a blessed olive tree that is neither of the east nor of the west,
its oil nearly gives off light even if not touched by fire. Light upon Light,

AL-LAH guides to HIS Light-Energy whoever wishes (to be guided to it).
And AL-LAH (thus) sets forth allegories for the people; for AL-LAH is Knower of all things.

(QURAN TESTAMENT 24/35)

In this specific allegory above,
I believe the most important thing we should clearly see and absolutely understand
is the Fact that

our Lord AL-LAH's Individual/Personal Light-Energy --(that shines unto all heavens and the earth above)--
can Never be likened and Never be compared to "no other Light-Energy" we may know of here,
in/of our whole Universe/s,

because HIS Individual/Personal Light-Energy

---(which is neither of the east nor of the west, as clearly emphasized in the above Verse)---

is thus totally Different/Separate/Distinct above and beyond all other Light-Energies we may know of here,
in/of our whole Universe/s!

---

So in Summary & Conclusion

No "matter-mass" in/of our whole Universe/s here
can Never be compared or likened to our Lord AL-LAH's Individual/Personal Being-Presence

=QURAN TESTAMENT 42/11 = 6/103 = 24/35
(*Please, absolutely see these Verses again, above.)

and

No "light-energy" in/of our whole Universe/s here
can Never be compared or likened to our Lord AL-LAH's Individual/Personal Light-Energy

=QURAN TESTAMENT 42/11 = 24/35 = 6/103
(*Please, absolutely see these Verses again, above.)

Remain in peace/salaam.

So finally, let us clearly see Summary & Conclusion, also in this aspect,
that everything must be Understood, hundred percent Clearly & Unmistakably, without any ambiguity,
in this most Critical and Essential Issue, in the history of Religion,
finally, here

We may be like a drop of "the ocean (of energy),"
but that "ocean (of energy)" is Not GOD,
in no way, at all,

because according to QURAN TESTAMENT

---

We may be like a drop of "the ocean (of energy),"
and that "ocean (of energy)" is Servant of GOD.

(=and neither "we" nor that "ocean (of energy)"
are Not a "portion/share/piece/part" of RABB,
in no way, at all,

QURAN TESTAMENT (17/44 = 19/65) & (43/15 = 41/37-38)

---

Remain in peace/salaam.

[Man_of_Faith]

That quote is a poor formulation by me. I apologize.

Energy is not a servant, it is not a person, it is just an expression of Rabb. Everything is an expression of Rabb which is manifested by the radiating energy which in return projects the outer layer of this world (the al-jinn or the bodily in English).

This bodily deceives us because we have another origin in the void (which has no matter) and we are just attached to bodies on this Earth as an illusion meant to intentionally deceive and is a trial, a challenge. And worthy is the one who sees through the charade and acts upon his realization and ceases to listen to that primitive primate body of theirs. The spirit of your soul is a very advanced one with high potential and it is being veiled by that body of yours which is not really you either.

And you are right in saying Rabb is not energy per se, Rabb is like an ethereal void. The astronomical phenomenon calles singularity is the best analogy. Everything in the universe is filled within the singularity yet in reality it takes no physical size. This is why Rabb is omnipresent because space is only an illusion. But because the Noor projects the world as we perceive it, it seems like we live in a spacious world.

The computer and software is a good parable, a computer does not need to be big, but its software allows a virtual world to seem like endless. The world is just like a running game world of a video game which world is actually just 1 and 0 in various sequences. The matter of the universe is also constructed by the energy in different combinations.

The summary though is that God is everything, there is nothing in existence but God and we are an expression of that. The question is if we let ourselves to be NPCs of this world or allow us to be PCs. The instinctive one is an NPC, following the programming.

If you do not know what an NPC is please Google it. It is a game term.

Rebel against who you are instead, rebel against being a Homo sapiens. Allow yourself to be independent and in control rather than being controlled and a slave. When you realize how a foul and primitive being you are in you will want to leave it. This realization is what the test what made for. But you must nurture your soul and let your spirit grow into readiness. You must be someone.

Be well
Amenuel

[LastDay3]

That quote is a poor formulation by me. I apologize.

Energy is not a servant, it is not a person, it is just an expression of Rabb.

Salaam/Peace Man of Faith,

According to QURAN TESTAMENT,
not only all "Persons" but also all "Things" (=i.e. our whole "Universe/s", all "matter/energy" therein)
are "Servants" of AL-LAH --(because they are (by following "Laws of Nature" set by AL-LAH unto them therein)
"serving" and glorifying AL-LAH at every moment therein =17/44),

====================
65- (AL-LAH is) the LORD (=RABBU) of the heavens and the earth and whatever is between them (=i.e.
our whole "Universe/s", all "matter/energy" therein).

---(*So thus, the heavens and the earth and whatever is between them is clearly
"Servant" (="Abd") of the LORD (="RABB")---

So you (too) shall "serve" HIM and be patient in HIS "Service." Do you know anything that is like HIM?

QURAN TESTAMENT 19/65

Everything is an expression of Rabb which is manifested by the "radiating energy" which in return projects the outer layer
of this world (the al-jinn or the bodily in English).

This bodily deceives us because we have another origin in the void (which has no matter) and we are just attached to bodies on this Earth as an illusion
meant to intentionally deceive and is a trial, a challenge.
And worthy is the one who sees through the charade and acts upon his realization and ceases to listen to that primitive primate body of theirs.
The spirit of your soul is a very advanced one with high potential and it is being veiled by that body of yours which is not really you either.

What I can clearly see in QURAN TESTAMENT
is the Fact that

Everything --(including the "radiating energy" you are referring to above)-- is a creation of RABB (=AL-LAH);
i.e. our Lord AL-LAH has created "universal radiating energy," in its all forms, in the very Beginning,

as a "creation/servant" of HIM (6/101-102 = 19/65),

Not as a "portion/share/piece/part" of HIM (=43/15).

And we (=Humans), each of us, are created of/as a "body" and "soul" by our Lord AL-LAH,
hence I always understand this specific term "nafs" in QURAN TESTAMENT as (="body/soul&quot,

and yes, this "nafs" (="body/soul&quot is described
essentially as an "inciter of evil" here

====================
53- (Prophet Joseph said) And yet, I am not trying to absolve my "nafs" (="body/soul&quot,
for, verily, (Human)-"nafs" (="body/soul&quot does incite (him/her) to evil,
except what my LORD has Mercy upon.
(For) certainly, my LORD is Best-Forgiver, Most-Merciful.

QURAN TESTAMENT 12/53

But when/if we always fight against our "nafs" (="body/soul&quot (=i.e. against that "evil instincts" generated
by our "nafs" (="body/soul&quot above,
and thus totally cleanse it by rejecting all those "evil instincts" generated by it,
and by always following all those "good instincts" commanded unto it by our Lord AL-LAH here (=91/7-9),

then we may become good/righteous Humans with totally cleansed "nafs" (="body/soul&quot by the Immense Grace of AL-LAH
unto us. (=91/7-9)

If we can become such good/righteous Humans with totally cleansed "nafs" (="body/soul&quot (=91/7-9)

then we are Not a primitive primate body, but each of us are a most advanced Being created by our Lord AL-LAH
as/in a most beautiful and nicest Human form (=i.e. Human "nafs" (="body/soul&quot here

=QURAN TESTAMENT 91/7-9 = 95/4

..........
The computer and software is a good parable, a computer does not need to be big, but its software allows a virtual world to seem like endless.
The world is just like a running game world of a video game which world is actually just 1 and 0 in various sequences.
The matter of the universe is also constructed by the energy in different combinations.

The summary though is that God is everything, there is nothing in existence but God and we are an expression of that.
.........

I do not want to get into such "computer/simulation/game" analogies here, because I always find such analogies
essentially very tricky and deceptive.

But I strongly believe that our Lord AL-LAH has created the whole Universe/s and whatever in them --not as an illusion and
not as a simulation/game but-- as a Perfect Reality (=Haqq) and with Perfect Purpose here

QURAN TESTAMENT 6/73 = 21/16-17 = 52/15-16

*We can see each of these Verses above, clearly and openly, here
Is our whole Universe a simulation?
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608800.msg394007#msg394007

Finally, again, in my belief, the Summary is this

AL-LAH is the Creator of everything (i.e. our whole Universe/s, all matter-energy therein) from the very Beginning (=6/101-102),

AL-LAH exists as the One and Only GOD Who is absolutely Different/Separate/Distinct above and beyond
all Things HE has created,

QURAN TESTAMENT 70/4 = 19/65 = 42/11,

for this reason, all Things that exist, by HIS Command, are

absolutely and only "Creations/Servants" of AL-LAH,

they are Not "partners" of HIM,
they are Not a "portion/share/piece/part" of HIM,
in no way, at all.

QURAN TESTAMENT 6/163 = 43/15

(*All of these most Essential and important Verses above
have already clearly and openly been presented in my previous post.)

Rebel against who you are instead, rebel against being a Homo sapiens.
Allow yourself to be independent and in control rather than being controlled and a slave.
When you realize how a foul and primitive being you are in you will want to leave it.
This realization is what the test what made for. But you must nurture your soul and let your spirit grow into readiness.
You must be someone.

Be well
Amenuel

No, thank you, Man of Faith,
because I strongly believe and also wholeheartedly recommend to you, as my Human Fellow/Friend,
and also to all my other Human Fellow/Friends, here

We should never rebel against who we are,
we should never rebel being made a "Human" (Homo Sapiens Wise/Intellectual Human) by our Lord AL-LAH,

we should always be Thankful to our Lord AL-LAH, with all our heart & mind,
for HE has made us "Human" (Homo Sapiens Wise/Intellectual Human)
and perfectly taught us how to

truly cleanse our "nafs" (="body/soul&quot here (=91/7-9)
to become a most advanced Being on this Earth and beyond, created by our Lord AL-LAH

as/in a most beautiful and nicest Human form here (=i.e. Human "nafs" (="body/soul&quot here (91/7-9 = 95/4),

and I strongly believe, we will be resurrected in this most beautiful and nicest Human form, inshaAL-LAH,
also in the Hereafter (=75/3-4),

and we will joyfully and happily live on that new Earth and also will be able to freely travel to all other Planets and Stars therein as well,
in that new Universe (21/104 = 3/133),

and we will taste all kinds of lawful & legitimate pleasures and pursuits (=i.e. all kinds of delicious fruits, drink, ... &
science, philosophy, culture, .... & sports, art, music, ... & friendship, unity, benevolence among each other, ....), constantly, to the full,
therein as well (=36/55-58 & 52/17-24 & ....),

and Finally and Most Importantly, we will thus always continue to glorify and serve our Lord AL-LAH,
and we will be Thankful to HIM, forever, with all our heart & mind & soul & strength therein as well, forever (=10/9-10 & ......).

So please, never forget that, my dear Fellow-Friend, Man of Faith,
the only one we must always courageously rebel against is Iblees/Satan

who deceived our ancestors (=Adam & Eve)
by promising them they would be "Angels" if they reject and rebel against who they are (="Humans&quot,
in the very beginning

====================
20- But the Iblees/Satan whispered to them (Adam & Eve),
to reveal to them what was not apparent to them of their bodies, and he said

Your LORD did not prohibit you from this tree; so (if you eat from it) you will become "Angels," and you will (also) be Immortal.

21- And he swore to them --(in the Name of AL-LAH therein) "Certainly, I am for you a Good-Advisor (=Nasiheen because this is
an attribute specifically used to refer to all righteous-Servants of AL-LAH here 7/68, 79, ......,
so we can clearly infer that Iblees/Satan approached our ancestors Adam & Eve and deceived them by talking to them
as/if he was a righteous-Servant of AL-LAH therein 7/21).

22- So by deceit Satan (thus) brought about their downfall. ............

QURAN TESTAMENT 7/20-22

So my dear Fellow-Friend, Man of Faith, we should never let ourselves be deceived by Iblees/Satan again,
--(because in every new Century he wraps his oldest lies/false promises/blasphemies in a new package,
to deceive the Children of Adam & Eve)--
so we should immediately recognize his oldest lies/false promises/blasphemies and never listen to him,
and never follow in his footsteps,

=QURAN TESTAMENT 2/168-169

but we should always and only listen to our Lord AL-LAH
that we may progress straightforwardly and perfectly, by HIS Guidance,
to Eternal Happiness and Everlasting Benefits, here and in the Hereafter,
inshaAL-LAH, forever

=QURAN TESTAMENT 7/196 = 10/62-64

Remain in peace/salaam.

[Man_of_Faith]

Okay. I understand your reasoning. But linguistically only an animate being could act as a servant because it needs some sort of mind that can serve. Nevertheless you are right and those who accept their body in this world they are its slaves. Without the inner spirit you are a mindless beast under the guise you are something you are not.

As for the energy it is nothing God CREATED, it is an expression, a shape of God. Khalaq means shape or form but has erroneously been translated as create. The word Je-Ay-La (Jiim-Ayn-Lam) means to create/make. What we elusively see, is a form of God, an expression. The letter Qaf in Khalaq means express as a letter too. The letter Qaaf is used in Qal too which means "express/utter" (say). Like I wrote multiple times, the energy is not created but a manifestation of God's force as a result of expression. Energy is not a matter and only active for as long as there is a force.

You better listen and take in the information or on your own grow your mind away from all the primitive fabrications about God out there and find the truth for yourself, but you will not find it by sectarian interpretations of Quran from the first millennium A.D. You have to read Quran by your own mind. Those fabricators only composed something to seem plausible without ever deciphering the text properly. You see they have most lexicons against them except what they themselves added. An Arabic word has only one general meaning and in many lexicons you find multiple. Once you find out the real one you can apply that wherever you find it in a context. That way Arabic is a powerful and probably the least ambiguous language on Earth. It cannot be misunderstood as long as one masters the language and do not invent meanings that should not be there. It helps having insight into the "innate letter meanings" too.

Be well
Amenuel

[imrankhawaja]

As for the energy it is nothing God CREATED ,it is an expression, a shape of God. Khalaq means shape or form but has erroneously been translated as create

three questions , suddenly come in to my mind .. if you help giving answers of them...

1 shape of God= enery or expression? what shape is it...?
2 khalaq mean shape , who translated it , what was the reason? what is the proof its is erroneously translated..
3 what word quran use for creation? if khalaq is consider as shape.. and did God khalaq(shape) himslef? or somebody else is responsible.

peace

[imrankhawaja]

It is He who created for you all of that which is on the earth 2 29. shape +size +growth+evolution+come into existence of everthing = creation = khalaq... just a shape would not fit and give a proper complete meanings ...

[Man_of_Faith]

three questions , suddenly come in to my mind .. if you help giving answers of them...

1 shape of God= enery or expression? what shape is it...?
2 khalaq mean shape , who translated it , what was the reason? what is the proof its is erroneously translated..
3 what word quran use for creation? if khalaq is consider as shape.. and did God khalaq(shape) himslef? or somebody else is responsible.

peace

1. Energy is an expression.

2. Please read about khalaq in a lexicon and draw a sound conclusion instead of asking argumentative questions.

3. It is already evident in my previous post.

God is a constancy, not created. Imagine an expanding singularity. That raw force (no matter) takes expression (shape) of itself in forming the outer layer of this world which we deceptively perceive as solid. Truthseeker on this forum tends to say infinite and this is a good description. Through that God is always present anywhere in the reality as we know it. This false reality is projected as part of a trial and not our true origin, which origin is within that consciousness and force of God. It is about assimilation.

Fundamentally one can say we are expressions of God and in God takes shape individual "shares" (sometimes called seeds) which are ascended into managers in the unity/oneness of Being (Allah ahad in Arabic). In it the managers share the consensus together and it is like science-fiction to someone who has a problem comprehending how. The manmade motion picture Star Trek with their Borg is a good example of similarity of how it works.

Be well
Amenuel

[imrankhawaja]

1. Energy is an expression.

2. Please read about khalaq in a lexicon instead of asking argumentative questions.

3. It is already evident in my previous post.

1 answer = wrong...
2 i already read it there before positing.. in acoordance with that ur this answer = wrong and incomplete
3 again did not give answer of shape according to quran..

0/10 handshake

you can have one more try if you want to...

[imrankhawaja]

the closest understanding regarding spirit can be a blow(allerogically) of God...

your blow and the blow of God what is the difference? ur blow is nothing more than an invisible force mix with bacteria... can produce nothing at all..

but the blow of God is allerogical in the context one cannot understand ..that blow produce something extraordinary... the wordings took that word "blow" as methaphor, when language unable to define something exactly...

on other words words you can say blow is also a process of creation of rooh/character.. what is it we cannnot pervcieve it hence people confuse about it...

not any language can even describe the nature of God? lastday3 pretty clear about his claims infact..

[imrankhawaja]

The manmade motion picture Star Trek with their Borg is a good example of similarity of how it works.

is it really possible any man made thing, idea, imagination, can describe the nature of God...

man made ideas are for making man mind understand about man limited knowledge thats it... these are just the ideas of human mind...

the mind of human and God must not be similar... or it is?

[LastDay3]

.........

As for the energy it is nothing God CREATED, it is an expression, a shape of God.
Like I wrote multiple times, the energy is not created but a manifestation of God's force as a result of expression.

.........

Salaam/Peace Man of Faith,

I strongly disagree with you,
and again clearly and totally reject such fundamentally mistaken/wrongful speculations and assumptions above
(*these are not new speculations and assumptions, my dear Fellow-Friend,
I have heard, seen or read it --(in slightly different flavors, but essentially always with the same
fundamentally mistaken/wrongful inferences above)--
many times from various (especially Christian & Hindu, in the first place) Religious Sects-Cults in/of the past, and present time.

As I honestly, straightforwardly and clearly stated it before

These are the "oldest lies & false promises & misleading blasphemies" initiated by Iblees/Satan
since the beginning of time in/of this World,

and in every new Century, he thus wants to wrap his "oldest lies & false promises & misleading blasphemies"
in a new package --(by distorting some Scientific facts, especially in Quantum field in this Age, and then also distorting some Verses
in QURAN TESTAMENT and also in BIBLE, accordingly)--
in order to deceive Humans, as he promised he would do so =17/62-64),

but if we carefully listen to
and clearly and unmistakably understand our Lord AL-LAH's MESSAGE here,
Iblees/Satan can never deceive us with such fundamentally mistaken/wrongful
baseless speculations and assumptions above,

(=QURAN TESTAMENT 17/65 = 16/98-100)!

So we MUST clearly and unmistakably see it again,
and perfectly understand it here

.........

Salaam/Peace Man of Faith,

not only all "Persons" but also all "Things" (=i.e. our whole "Universe/s", all "matter/energy" therein)
are "Servants" of AL-LAH --(because they are (by following "Laws of Nature" set by AL-LAH unto them therein)
"serving" and glorifying AL-LAH at every moment therein =17/44),

====================
65- (AL-LAH is) the LORD (=RABBU) of the heavens and the earth and whatever is between them (=i.e.
our whole "Universe/s", all "matter/energy" therein).

---(*So thus, whole "Universe/s", all "matter/energy" therein is clearly
"Servant" (="Abd") of the LORD (="RABB")---

So you (too) shall "serve" HIM and be patient in HIS "Service." Do you know anything that is like HIM?

QURAN TESTAMENT 19/65

Everything --(including the "radiating energy" you are referring to above)-- is a creation of RABB (=AL-LAH);
i.e. our Lord AL-LAH has created "universal radiating energy," in its all forms, in the very Beginning,

as a "creation/servant" of HIM (6/101-102 = 19/65),

Not as a "portion/share/piece/part" of HIM, in no way, at all (=43/15).

Finally, again, the Summary is this

AL-LAH is the Creator of everything (i.e. our whole Universe/s, all matter-energy therein) from the very Beginning (=6/101-102),

AL-LAH exists as the One and Only GOD Who is absolutely Different/Separate/Distinct above and beyond
all Things HE has created,

QURAN TESTAMENT 70/4 = 19/65 = 42/11,

for this reason, all Things that exist, by HIS Command, are

absolutely and only "Creations/Servants" of AL-LAH,

they are Not "partners" of HIM,
they are Not a "portion/share/piece/part" of HIM,
in no way, at all.

QURAN TESTAMENT 6/163 = 43/15

(*All of these most Essential and important Verses above
have already clearly and openly been presented in my previous post.)

.........

Khalaq means "shape" or "form" but has erroneously been translated as "create".

You have to read Quran by your own mind.
Those fabricators only composed something to seem plausible without ever deciphering the text properly.
You see they have most lexicons against them except what they themselves added.
An Arabic word has only one general meaning and in many lexicons you find multiple.
Once you find out the real one you can apply that wherever you find it in a context.
That way Arabic is a powerful and probably the least ambiguous language on Earth.
It cannot be misunderstood as long as one masters the language and do not invent meanings that should not be there.

Be well
Amenuel

.........

I may basically agree with you, in this respect, exclusively and only with your last 4 statements (in red) above.

Because yes, I clearly see and strongly believe that

our Lord AL-LAH has sent down QURAN TESTAMENT in a most Clear Manner,
without any ambiguity in it, at all,

in all of these most Fundamental and important Issues
here, first of all (=15/1-2 & 18/1-4.... & ......)!

our Lord AL-LAH has sent down QURAN TESTAMENT also as a best Lexicon in itself,
to clearly explain to us (=bayaan) the essential/perfect meaning of each and every root Word
throughout the whole QURAN TESTAMENT (=75/18-19)!

explaining (=bayaan) = explaining (=bayaanahu)
55/1-4 = 75/18-19

For this reason, I almost never refer to any (old or modern) Lexicon, because I can clearly see that
most of the time they are deeply confused and confusing sources,

so, instead of referring to such an (old or modern) Lexicon,
when/if we want to learn the essential/perfect meaning of any root Word, in QURAN TESTAMENT,
we should immediately look at all occurrences of that same root Word throughout the whole QURAN TESTAMENT,
and there our Lord AL-LAH clearly and unmistakably Teaches the essential/perfect meaning of that root Word,
which is clearly/perfectly Valid, throughout the whole QURAN TESTAMENT,

explaining (=bayaan) = explaining (=bayaanahu)
55/1-4 = 75/18-19

So in this respect, let us clearly find out what that specific term above (=kha-la-qa) means,
in QURAN TESTAMENT, here

====================
49- (Prophet Jesus said to them) I have come to you with a Sign from your LORD;
so, I "akhluqu" (="create/produce/construct&quot for you from clay the form of a bird,
then I blow into it and it becomes a bird with the Permission of AL-LAH, .........

QURAN TESTAMENT 3/49

So, we can clearly see that the essential/perfect meaning of this specific root Word above (=kha-la-qa) is

to "create/produce/construct" something (=i.e. form of a bird in the above case) from a raw material (=i.e. clay in the above case).

So, after thus clearly learning this essential/perfect meaning of this specific root Word above (=kha-la-qa), in QURAN TESTAMENT,
we can clearly and easily understand all Verses throughout the whole QURAN TESTAMENT
in which this specific root Word above (=kha-la-qa) has been perfectly used by our Lord AL-LAH therein.

So, in this respect, let us clearly see these most Essential and important Verses in QURAN TESTAMENT,
here thus

====================
101- (AL-LAH is) "Badeeu" (=i.e. "Initiator" of something out of nothing) of the heavens and the earth,

---(i.e. our Lord AL-LAH has thus Initiated all the heavens and the earth (=i.e. its whole "energy") out of nothing
at the time of "Big Bang" in the very beginning therein, as HIS "servant",
absolutely NOT as a "portion/share/piece/part" of HIM therein =19/65 & 43/15)---

so, how can there be a "son" of HIM (=i.e. a male-being who is a "portion/share/piece/part" of HIM as they still
mistakenly/wrongfully claim it here =43/15 = 5/17)

and there could (also) never be a "spouse" of HIM (=i.e. a female-being who is a "portion/share/piece/part" of HIM as they still
mistakenly/wrongfully claim it here =43/15 = 5/17).

For HE has "Khalaqa" (="Created/Produced/Constructed" from a raw material i.e. that whole energy above,
which HE has Initiated out of nothing therein as HIS servant, in the first place above)-- all things;
and HE is Knower of all things.

102- Such is AL-LAH, your LORD, there is no God (=Authority to Whom belongs All-Praise and All-Judgment,
here and in the hereafter, forever =28/70)-- except HE;
"Khaliqu" (="Creator/Producer/Constructor" from a raw material i.e. that whole energy above,
which HE has Initiated out of nothing therein as HIS servant, in the first place)-- of all things,
so you shall serve HIM. For HE is Guardian over all things.

103- The eyesight can Never reach/perceive HIM, yet HE can reach/perceive all eyesight --(from HIS Majestic Station,
that is absolutely Different/Separate/Distinct above and beyond all Things we can ever imagine above us =70/4 & 42/11)--
for HE is the Most-Kind, the Most-Cognizant.

104- Clear-Insights have thus come to you from your LORD;
so whoever can see (it), does so for his/her own good, and whoever (chooses to) remain blind (to it), does so to his/her own detriment.
For I am not (sent as) a Watcher over you.

105- It is thus that We cite the Verses/Signs and that they may say "You have studied it up,"
but We (thus) Make-It-Perfectly-Clear for a people who know.

106- So you shall follow what is inspired to you from your LORD (above);
there is no God (=Authority to Whom belongs All-Praise and All-Judgment, here and in the hereafter, forever =28/70)-- except HE;
and turn away from those who set up "partners" (=i.e. those who mistakenly/wrongfully claim that all things,
and so Jesus or/and Ezra and then also themselves are created as a "partner," and as a "portion/share/piece/part" of AL-LAH therein
=43/15 = 9/30 = 5/18)!

107- And if AL-LAH had willed --(HE would have immediately and forcefully prevented it and so)-- they would not have been able to
set up "partners" --(by mistakenly/wrongfully claiming that all things, and so Jesus or/and Ezra and then also
themselves are created as a "partner," and as a "portion/share/piece/part" of AL-LAH therein
=43/15 = 9/30 = 5/18)!

For We did not place you over them as a Watcher, and you are not over them a Guardian.

QURAN TESTAMENT 6/101-107

So finally, I strongly and wholeheartedly recommend to each and every truthful Believer here,
to absolutely see and read each and every of those

crystal clear Verses of/in QURAN TESTAMENT,

in this most Fundamental and important Issue, in the history of Religion,
from the very beginning of the World to the very end of the World,

as all of those crystal clear Verses
have already most straightforwardly, clearly and openly been presented
--(without any ambiguity therein)--
in each and every of those previous posts (of "LastDay3&quot above,

to rightfully recognize our Lord AL-LAH as our One and Only GOD,

without setting up any "partners" to HIM
(QURAN TESTAMENT 6/163),

and without setting up any "portion/share/piece/part," to HIM
(QURAN TESTAMENT 43/15),

because setting up "partners," and setting up a "portion/share/piece/part" to HIM
is the most grave Sin that ultimately may bring the most dire Consequences, forever,
upon its perpetrators (=9/30-31) and such blind followers (=5/18 & 10/42-44),
here in this case now

=QURAN TESTAMENT 4/116 = 39/65 & 4/17-18

Remain in peace/salaam.

---

*I may not be able to reply in this thread for sometime. (=73/1-10)

[Furqan]

Salam to all

The Message to all from The Messenger of Allah
Q 6103

Q 2255

[imrankhawaja]

Salam to all

The Message to all from The Messenger of Allah
Q 6103

Q 2255

w salam ,

nice message no doubt... interestingly the message of 2 255 i remember it by heart when i was very young ...