Takes time to reach God?

imrankhawaja

It is He who created for you all of that which is on the earth 2 29. shape +size +growth+evolution+come into existence of everthing = creation = khalaq... just a shape would not fit and give a proper complete meanings ...

Man_of_Faith

three questions , suddenly come in to my mind .. if you help giving answers of them...

1 shape of God= enery or expression? what shape is it...?
2 khalaq mean shape , who translated it , what was the reason? what is the proof its is erroneously translated..
3 what word quran use for creation? if khalaq is consider as shape.. and did God khalaq(shape) himslef? or somebody else is responsible.

peace

Energy is an expression.
Please read about khalaq in a lexicon and draw a sound conclusion instead of asking argumentative questions.
It is already evident in my previous post.

God is a constancy, not created. Imagine an expanding singularity. That raw force (no matter) takes expression (shape) of itself in forming the outer layer of this world which we deceptively perceive as solid. Truthseeker on this forum tends to say infinite and this is a good description. Through that God is always present anywhere in the reality as we know it. This false reality is projected as part of a trial and not our true origin, which origin is within that consciousness and force of God. It is about assimilation.

Fundamentally one can say we are expressions of God and in God takes shape individual "shares" (sometimes called seeds) which are ascended into managers in the unity/oneness of Being (Allah ahad in Arabic). In it the managers share the consensus together and it is like science-fiction to someone who has a problem comprehending how. The manmade motion picture Star Trek with their Borg is a good example of similarity of how it works.

Be well
Amenuel

imrankhawaja

Energy is an expression.
Please read about khalaq in a lexicon instead of asking argumentative questions.
It is already evident in my previous post.

1 answer = wrong...
2 i already read it there before positing.. in acoordance with that ur this answer = wrong and incomplete
3 again did not give answer of shape according to quran..

0/10 handshake

you can have one more try if you want to...

imrankhawaja

the closest understanding regarding spirit can be a blow(allerogically) of God...

your blow and the blow of God what is the difference? ur blow is nothing more than an invisible force mix with bacteria... can produce nothing at all..

but the blow of God is allerogical in the context one cannot understand ..that blow produce something extraordinary... the wordings took that word "blow" as methaphor, when language unable to define something exactly...

on other words words you can say blow is also a process of creation of rooh/character.. what is it we cannnot pervcieve it hence people confuse about it...

not any language can even describe the nature of God? lastday3 pretty clear about his claims infact..

imrankhawaja

The manmade motion picture Star Trek with their Borg is a good example of similarity of how it works.

is it really possible any man made thing, idea, imagination, can describe the nature of God...

man made ideas are for making man mind understand about man limited knowledge thats it... these are just the ideas of human mind...

the mind of human and God must not be similar... or it is?

LastDay3

.........

As for the energy it is nothing God CREATED, it is an expression, a shape of God.
Like I wrote multiple times, the energy is not created but a manifestation of God's force as a result of expression.

.........

Salaam/Peace Man of Faith,

I strongly disagree with you,
and again clearly and totally reject such fundamentally mistaken/wrongful speculations and assumptions above
(*these are not new speculations and assumptions, my dear Fellow-Friend,
I have heard, seen or read it --(in slightly different flavors, but essentially always with the same
fundamentally mistaken/wrongful inferences above)--
many times from various (especially Christian & Hindu, in the first place) Religious Sects-Cults in/of the past, and present time.

As I honestly, straightforwardly and clearly stated it before

These are the "oldest lies & false promises & misleading blasphemies" initiated by Iblees/Satan
since the beginning of time in/of this World,

and in every new Century, he thus wants to wrap his "oldest lies & false promises & misleading blasphemies"
in a new package --(by distorting some Scientific facts, especially in Quantum field in this Age, and then also distorting some Verses
in QURAN TESTAMENT and also in BIBLE, accordingly)--
in order to deceive Humans, as he promised he would do so =17/62-64),

but if we carefully listen to
and clearly and unmistakably understand our Lord AL-LAH's MESSAGE here,
Iblees/Satan can never deceive us with such fundamentally mistaken/wrongful
baseless speculations and assumptions above,

(=QURAN TESTAMENT 17/65 = 16/98-100)!

So we MUST clearly and unmistakably see it again,
and perfectly understand it here

.........

Salaam/Peace Man of Faith,

not only all "Persons" but also all "Things" (=i.e. our whole "Universe/s", all "matter/energy" therein)
are "Servants" of AL-LAH --(because they are (by following "Laws of Nature" set by AL-LAH unto them therein)
"serving" and glorifying AL-LAH at every moment therein =17/44),

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65- (AL-LAH is) the LORD (=RABBU) of the heavens and the earth and whatever is between them (=i.e.
our whole "Universe/s", all "matter/energy" therein).

---(*So thus, whole "Universe/s", all "matter/energy" therein is clearly
"Servant" (="Abd") of the LORD (="RABB")---

So you (too) shall "serve" HIM and be patient in HIS "Service." Do you know anything that is like HIM?

QURAN TESTAMENT 19/65

Everything --(including the "radiating energy" you are referring to above)-- is a creation of RABB (=AL-LAH);
i.e. our Lord AL-LAH has created "universal radiating energy," in its all forms, in the very Beginning,

as a "creation/servant" of HIM (6/101-102 = 19/65),

Not as a "portion/share/piece/part" of HIM, in no way, at all (=43/15).

Finally, again, the Summary is this

AL-LAH is the Creator of everything (i.e. our whole Universe/s, all matter-energy therein) from the very Beginning (=6/101-102),

AL-LAH exists as the One and Only GOD Who is absolutely Different/Separate/Distinct above and beyond
all Things HE has created,

QURAN TESTAMENT 70/4 = 19/65 = 42/11,

for this reason, all Things that exist, by HIS Command, are

absolutely and only "Creations/Servants" of AL-LAH,

they are Not "partners" of HIM,
they are Not a "portion/share/piece/part" of HIM,
in no way, at all.

QURAN TESTAMENT 6/163 = 43/15

(*All of these most Essential and important Verses above
have already clearly and openly been presented in my previous post.)

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Khalaq means "shape" or "form" but has erroneously been translated as "create".

You have to read Quran by your own mind.
Those fabricators only composed something to seem plausible without ever deciphering the text properly.
You see they have most lexicons against them except what they themselves added.
An Arabic word has only one general meaning and in many lexicons you find multiple.
Once you find out the real one you can apply that wherever you find it in a context.
That way Arabic is a powerful and probably the least ambiguous language on Earth.
It cannot be misunderstood as long as one masters the language and do not invent meanings that should not be there.

Be well
Amenuel

.........

I may basically agree with you, in this respect, exclusively and only with your last 4 statements (in red) above.

Because yes, I clearly see and strongly believe that

our Lord AL-LAH has sent down QURAN TESTAMENT in a most Clear Manner,
without any ambiguity in it, at all,

in all of these most Fundamental and important Issues
here, first of all (=15/1-2 & 18/1-4.... & ......)!

our Lord AL-LAH has sent down QURAN TESTAMENT also as a best Lexicon in itself,
to clearly explain to us (=bayaan) the essential/perfect meaning of each and every root Word
throughout the whole QURAN TESTAMENT (=75/18-19)!

explaining (=bayaan) = explaining (=bayaanahu)
55/1-4 = 75/18-19

For this reason, I almost never refer to any (old or modern) Lexicon, because I can clearly see that
most of the time they are deeply confused and confusing sources,

so, instead of referring to such an (old or modern) Lexicon,
when/if we want to learn the essential/perfect meaning of any root Word, in QURAN TESTAMENT,
we should immediately look at all occurrences of that same root Word throughout the whole QURAN TESTAMENT,
and there our Lord AL-LAH clearly and unmistakably Teaches the essential/perfect meaning of that root Word,
which is clearly/perfectly Valid, throughout the whole QURAN TESTAMENT,

explaining (=bayaan) = explaining (=bayaanahu)
55/1-4 = 75/18-19

So in this respect, let us clearly find out what that specific term above (=kha-la-qa) means,
in QURAN TESTAMENT, here

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49- (Prophet Jesus said to them) I have come to you with a Sign from your LORD;
so, I "akhluqu" (="create/produce/construct&quot for you from clay the form of a bird,
then I blow into it and it becomes a bird with the Permission of AL-LAH, .........

QURAN TESTAMENT 3/49

So, we can clearly see that the essential/perfect meaning of this specific root Word above (=kha-la-qa) is

to "create/produce/construct" something (=i.e. form of a bird in the above case) from a raw material (=i.e. clay in the above case).

So, after thus clearly learning this essential/perfect meaning of this specific root Word above (=kha-la-qa), in QURAN TESTAMENT,
we can clearly and easily understand all Verses throughout the whole QURAN TESTAMENT
in which this specific root Word above (=kha-la-qa) has been perfectly used by our Lord AL-LAH therein.

So, in this respect, let us clearly see these most Essential and important Verses in QURAN TESTAMENT,
here thus

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101- (AL-LAH is) "Badeeu" (=i.e. "Initiator" of something out of nothing) of the heavens and the earth,

---(i.e. our Lord AL-LAH has thus Initiated all the heavens and the earth (=i.e. its whole "energy") out of nothing
at the time of "Big Bang" in the very beginning therein, as HIS "servant",
absolutely NOT as a "portion/share/piece/part" of HIM therein =19/65 & 43/15)---

so, how can there be a "son" of HIM (=i.e. a male-being who is a "portion/share/piece/part" of HIM as they still
mistakenly/wrongfully claim it here =43/15 = 5/17)

and there could (also) never be a "spouse" of HIM (=i.e. a female-being who is a "portion/share/piece/part" of HIM as they still
mistakenly/wrongfully claim it here =43/15 = 5/17).

For HE has "Khalaqa" (="Created/Produced/Constructed" from a raw material i.e. that whole energy above,
which HE has Initiated out of nothing therein as HIS servant, in the first place above)-- all things;
and HE is Knower of all things.

102- Such is AL-LAH, your LORD, there is no God (=Authority to Whom belongs All-Praise and All-Judgment,
here and in the hereafter, forever =28/70)-- except HE;
"Khaliqu" (="Creator/Producer/Constructor" from a raw material i.e. that whole energy above,
which HE has Initiated out of nothing therein as HIS servant, in the first place)-- of all things,
so you shall serve HIM. For HE is Guardian over all things.

103- The eyesight can Never reach/perceive HIM, yet HE can reach/perceive all eyesight --(from HIS Majestic Station,
that is absolutely Different/Separate/Distinct above and beyond all Things we can ever imagine above us =70/4 & 42/11)--
for HE is the Most-Kind, the Most-Cognizant.

104- Clear-Insights have thus come to you from your LORD;
so whoever can see (it), does so for his/her own good, and whoever (chooses to) remain blind (to it), does so to his/her own detriment.
For I am not (sent as) a Watcher over you.

105- It is thus that We cite the Verses/Signs and that they may say "You have studied it up,"
but We (thus) Make-It-Perfectly-Clear for a people who know.

106- So you shall follow what is inspired to you from your LORD (above);
there is no God (=Authority to Whom belongs All-Praise and All-Judgment, here and in the hereafter, forever =28/70)-- except HE;
and turn away from those who set up "partners" (=i.e. those who mistakenly/wrongfully claim that all things,
and so Jesus or/and Ezra and then also themselves are created as a "partner," and as a "portion/share/piece/part" of AL-LAH therein
=43/15 = 9/30 = 5/18)!

107- And if AL-LAH had willed --(HE would have immediately and forcefully prevented it and so)-- they would not have been able to
set up "partners" --(by mistakenly/wrongfully claiming that all things, and so Jesus or/and Ezra and then also
themselves are created as a "partner," and as a "portion/share/piece/part" of AL-LAH therein
=43/15 = 9/30 = 5/18)!

For We did not place you over them as a Watcher, and you are not over them a Guardian.

QURAN TESTAMENT 6/101-107

So finally, I strongly and wholeheartedly recommend to each and every truthful Believer here,
to absolutely see and read each and every of those

crystal clear Verses of/in QURAN TESTAMENT,

in this most Fundamental and important Issue, in the history of Religion,
from the very beginning of the World to the very end of the World,

as all of those crystal clear Verses
have already most straightforwardly, clearly and openly been presented
--(without any ambiguity therein)--
in each and every of those previous posts (of "LastDay3&quot above,

to rightfully recognize our Lord AL-LAH as our One and Only GOD,

without setting up any "partners" to HIM
(QURAN TESTAMENT 6/163),

and without setting up any "portion/share/piece/part," to HIM
(QURAN TESTAMENT 43/15),

because setting up "partners," and setting up a "portion/share/piece/part" to HIM
is the most grave Sin that ultimately may bring the most dire Consequences, forever,
upon its perpetrators (=9/30-31) and such blind followers (=5/18 & 10/42-44),
here in this case now

=QURAN TESTAMENT 4/116 = 39/65 & 4/17-18

Remain in peace/salaam.

*I may not be able to reply in this thread for sometime. (=73/1-10)

Furqan

Salam to all

The Message to all from The Messenger of Allah
Q 6103

Q 2255

imrankhawaja

Salam to all

The Message to all from The Messenger of Allah
Q 6103

Q 2255

w salam ,

nice message no doubt... interestingly the message of 2 255 i remember it by heart when i was very young ...