Which things are predetermined before you are Born?
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The "all" in your translation is not in the Arabic. It uses AL but that only marks the word is an adjectival attribute to the subject. When two AL-words follow each other it often mean there are two adjectives after each other or there is an adverb and adjective together (depending on word form).
And the last hour comes because God has planned it, but each destiny is depending on how they fare in this test. This is not worked out yet.
Future is tomorrow, it is not now.
Be well
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The "all" in your translation is not in the Arabic. It uses AL but that only marks the word is an adjectival attribute to the subject. When two AL-words follow each other it often mean there are two adjectives after each other or there is an adverb and adjective together (depending on word form).
And the last hour comes because God has planned it, but each destiny is depending on how they fare in this test. This is not worked out yet.
Future is tomorrow, it is not now.
Be well
Amenueldnt forget our past was once future...
dnt forget our present was once future and continously traveeling towards future...to make it past....
time is reletive lol
tick tick tick.... these three ticks of clock right now will give you one tick of past one of present and one of future....
my brother ... its not mine interpretation these are certified translations by the scholars who are more aware about language than me and you obviously...
RED if he planned last hour then what is so difficult to understand he can plan everything... but again his plannings and our actions are two diffferent things... as well his awareness or knowing
what we will do he already know it becoz he is fully aware of everything of past and present and future.. it does not mean he is responsible for our actions... we have given choices but he is aware what choice we will pick...
if he create the law of time he must be aware about all the mechanism of time...
God is unednding loop of knowledge , our knowledge may have limit but he got unlimited knowledge...
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3134 With God is the knowledge regarding the moment. He sends down the rain, and He knows what is inside the wombs. No person knows what it may gain tomorrow, nor does any person know in which land it will die.
God is Knowledgeable/all-knowing/Omniscient/God is Knower
Ever-aware/ Expert/all-aware/Cognizant/Aware
i make it split more with all possible meanings which all give one common understanding... even if you skip all in it
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Knowing does not mean you know what has not happened yet as it is not in existence.
In your passage nothing indicates that the future is predestined.
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let say ... we assume in the light of this God dnt know about future hence taking last line in account no body know in which land it will die... so if a person get murdered . does it contradict with the verse stated above... isnt it... becoz God know it already ... or you have another logic in it
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In your passage nothing indicates that the future is predestined.
is tomorrow is not considered as future?
is death is not a comng future?
brickwall
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Peace everyone,
3134 does not say "God knows what a person may gain tomorrow" but says "no person knows what it may gain tomorrow". A person not knowing what it may gain tomorrow does not imply that God knows what a person may gain tomorrow. It would have been extremely easy for the quran to say "God knows what a person may gain tomorrow" but it didn't.
Similarly, it does not say "God knows in which land a person will die". So to claim 3134 implies that would be incorrect.
Now God may or may not know those things, but this verse cannot be used as conclusive quranic evidence that God knows those things. It can only be used as conclusive quranic evidence that a person does not know those things.
It does however indicate that God knows the time of the last day (7187, 3363, 4147, 4385).
Knowing about some things in the future does not imply knowing about all things in future.
Readers can see how some "muslimeen" have difficulty accepting quranic evidence which has already been presented. Is it because they do not believe/trust the quran or have difficulty in comprehending?
16104 Those who do not believe in the revelations of God, God will not guide them, and they will have a painful retribution.
3140 If you are wounded, then know that the other group is also wounded. And such are the days, We alternate them between the people, so that God YA3LAMA/will know those who believe, and so He may make witnesses from among you; and God does not love the wicked.
3142 Or did you think that you would enter Paradise without God YA3LAMI/knowing those who would strive among you and YA3LAMA/knowing those who are patient?
916 Or did you think that you would be left alone? God will come to YA3LAMI/know those of you who strived and did not take other than God and His messenger and the believers as helpers. God is Expert in what you do.
293 We had tested those before them, so that God would YA3LAMANNA/know those who are truthful and so that He would YA3LAMANNA/know the liars.
5725 We have sent Our messengers with clear proofs, and We sent down with them the Book and the balance, so that the people may uphold justice. And We sent down the iron, wherein there is great strength, and many benefits for the people. So that God would YA3LAMA/know those who would support Him and His messengers in the unseen. God is Powerful, Noble.
IF GOD KNOWS ALL THINGS AND KNOWS THE UNSEEN, THEN WHY DO THESE VERSES INDICATE "SO THAT GOD WOULD KNOW" OR "WILL COME TO KNOW", INDICATING THAT GOD DOES NOT KNOW?
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Peace
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God already know everything lol
its person who claim he know , but infact he dont know.... crystal clear...
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Knowing about some things in the future does not imply knowing about all things in future.
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hahahahaha is God is astrologist... who know some of the future , but why he cannot know all the future any Good reason
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did God claim in the book , i dnt know full future?
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i not fully aware of (all things )including future?
i just make it very simple ... if anybody claiming here truth then produce your evidence that based on quran in the shape of verses...
lets finish this on penalty kicks lol i already did my five goals in shape of different verses now waiting for your turn guys... just verses nothing else and then in the light of your provided verses audeince will decide ...
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Thanks truthseeker11 I agree Allah is the "the knower" but is
Allah ignorant!ig?no?rant
inrnt/
adjectivelacking knowledge, information, or awareness about something in particular.
"they were ignorant of astronomy"
synonyms without knowledge of, unaware of, unconscious of, oblivious to,
incognizant of, unfamiliar with, unacquainted with, uninformed about, ill-
informed about, unenlightened about, unconversant with, inexperienced
in/with, naive about, green about;&
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peace
waiting is another name of patience hahahaha
surely God is with the people who do patience...
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did God claim in the book , i dnt know full future?
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i not fully aware of (all things )including future?
i just make it very simple ... if anybody claiming here truth then produce your evidence that based on quran in the shape of verses...
lets finish this on penalty kicks lol i already did my five goals in shape of different verses now waiting for your turn guys... just verses nothing else and then in the light of your provided verses audeince will decide ...
Still you provided none which prove the future is predestined.
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Still you provided none which prove the future is predestined.
nice joke rotfl rotfl
shall i send you verses through bluetooth ...
look my questions again whatever will happen in future God is aware about it...
you missed ur first goal ... lol provide a verse in which God is not a knowing god or unaware god...
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i have some more interesting things on predestined thingie?
destiny applied to human... not to God becoz God is free of destiny/fate/luck
when human pick a wrong choice ... its in the knowledge of God = God is fully aware about what a soul earn tomorrow...
but its not God who wronged human being to pick his destiny by putting gun on his head to pick this up yes
its human being who wronged himself and he will do this thing God already know becoz due to the perfection of God...knowledge.. logic said God must know all this...
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nice joke rotfl rotfl
shall i send you verses through bluetooth ...
look my questions again whatever will happen in future God is aware about it...
you missed ur first goal ... lol provide a verse in which God is not a knowing god or unaware god...
You do not get it. A future does not exist yet and it does not make God weak as there is no missing knowledge as it does not exist! The future is created "on-the-fly". God has the key role there leading it, but each human is responsible for their part and that is in the very sectarian interpretation of Quran.
I do not need to provide a verse that says God is not a knowing God as I have never claimed that, but you personally need to provide one that says the future is predestined.
But I can see you are just testing my patience that I make a slip, but that is not going to happen. You are not even wholeheartedly considering what I have been writing. And I see it has come to circular reasoning.
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You do not get it. A future does not exist yet and it does not make God weak as there is no missing knowledge as it does not exist! The future is created "on-the-fly". God has the key role there leading it, but each human is responsible for their part and that is in the very sectarian interpretation of Quran.
I do not need to provide a verse that says God is not a knowing God as I have never claimed that, but you personally need to provide one that says the future is predestined.
But I can see you are just testing my patience that I make a slip, but that is not going to happen. You are not even wholeheartedly considering what I have been writing. And I see it has come to circular reasoning.
look you give up all your plantey kicks by claiming you are not providing verse...
patience is the key to success keep it my brother ...
what i claim , future is in the knowledge of God... and i provide the proof of my claim...its you who is not accepting it wholeheartedly ... anyway let other player give a chance i think he is searching some verse in which he will find God is partially aware ... &