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Why is pleasure seeking bad?

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    imrankhawaja
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    so basically you want to ask if masturbution is allowed or not?

    or if somebody do it .. is it a sin?

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      reel
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      Well I have a question, why than we withold ourselves from having pleasure in this life? Why can't fx two young people who like each other make love to each other?Does it hurt anyone ? Does it make them happy of life?

      Would you take birth pills for your girlfriend? Just because something is not being talked about does not mean it does not exist http//www.thepillkills.org/pillkills.php
      Pharmaceutical companies have big power.

      Lets say that Asia's culture becomes dominant in the world. Would you bear all the expenses for your every girlfriend then? You see body craves for food and clothing. Taste bud needs to feel good too. Depression hurts the body. So what's wrong in taking the girlfriend to expensive restaurants so she does not have to feel embarrassed in front of her people?

      Lesson Everyone doing something does not mean it is okay. It is purely a misconception that relationship can't work with out sex.
      As my fiance says, lets keep at least one thing exclusive for the marriage.

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        Man_of_Faith
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        Peace Ammanuel

        So to take control of our bodies we need to avoid bodily pleasures right? Is it the only way?

        The body drives to seek bodily excitation. This is what is Satan. To make the seed develop one must first remove the weeds as they hamper the cultivation. The bodies are used for evaluation and sifting. They are the main test for us to see if our superior spirit can "break the barrier" even under heavy delusion.

        But in "Heaven" you will not need dopamine since you do not have a body. Your purpose here on Earth is to separate from the body.

        Be well
        Amenuel

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          Comrox
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          Would you take birth pills for your girlfriend? Just because something is not being talked about does not mean it does not exist http//www.thepillkills.org/pillkills.php
          Pharmaceutical companies have big power.

          That site is clearly anti-BC...

          Of course there are risks with the birth control pill. Some of those statistics, if true, are quite shocking and it is something to be concerned about. But still, when taking in account how many people actually take the pill, I would say the risk of death or any other serious injury is still minimal.

          From 2006 to 2010, in the United States alone, 10.6 million women were taking the pill (source http//www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr060.pdf). That's a lot.

          Like any other medication, when starting on the pill, women need to assess their individual health, know the symptoms, and know their risks.

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            reel
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            That site is clearly anti-BC...

            Of course there are risks with the birth control pill. Some of those statistics, if true, are quite shocking and it is something to be concerned about. But still, when taking in account how many people actually take the pill, I would say the risk of death or any other serious injury is still minimal.

            From 2006 to 2010, in the United States alone, 10.6 million women were taking the pill (source http//www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr060.pdf). That's a lot.

            Like any other medication, when starting on the pill, women need to assess their individual health, know the symptoms, and know their risks.

            It looks like that because that report is from CDC. They also recommend 28 vaccines within babies' 18 months. Their employees here use "Windex" to clean furniture and other stuffs contaminated with biological warfare agents like anthrax. According to my friend, they are still working on those from WW2.

            I don't know how many times I did this brickwall when I read their research articles during my masters days.

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              LastDay3
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              ......

              And as I see it, that's why God is teaching us Self control.
              Basically, everything breaks down to this simple truth. Mind over matter.
              To not become zombies of the desires of our flesh.

              However, most of us will keep on running after the dopamine (knowingly-unknowingly)
              and hope that if we just be "good" people will go to heaven.
              So restric yourself from pleasures to get this same pleasures in Heven for infinite amount of time.

              Salaam/Peace Hansolo,

              AL-LAH does not forbid us from all pleasures of our flesh/body,
              HE only forbids us from what is wrong/bad (=e.g. war, enmity, robbery, jealousy, greed, adultery,
              homosexuality, drugs, etc.),

              and yes, this "nafs" (="body/soul") is described, in this respect,
              essentially as an "inciter of evil" here

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              53- (Prophet Joseph said) And yet, I am not trying to absolve my "nafs" (="body/soul"),

              for, verily, (Human)-"nafs" (="body/soul") does incite (him/her) to evil (=e.g. to war, enmity, robbery,

              jealousy, greed, adultery, homosexuality, drugs, etc.), except what my LORD has Mercy upon.

              (For) certainly, my LORD is Best-Forgiver, Most-Merciful.

              QURAN TESTAMENT 12/53

              But when/if we always fight against our "nafs" (="body/soul") (=i.e. against that "evil instincts"
              (=e.g. war, enmity, robbery, jealousy, greed, adultery, homosexuality, drugs, etc.)
              generated by our "nafs" (="body/soul") above,

              and thus totally cleanse it by rejecting all those "evil instincts" generated by it,
              and by always following all those "good instincts" commanded unto it by our Lord AL-LAH here (=91/7-9),

              then we may become good/righteous Humans with totally cleansed "nafs" (="body/soul") by the Immense Grace of AL-LAH
              unto us. (=91/7-9)

              If we can become such good/righteous Humans with totally cleansed "nafs" (="body/soul") (=91/7-9)

              then we can perfectly taste all lawful/legitimate pleasures of our flesh/body, here and in the Hereafter,
              to get the absolute Satisfaction and Happiness therein, always and forever, inshaAL-LAH,

              QURAN TESTAMENT 7/31-32 & 36/55-58 & 52/17-24 & .........

              but never forget that
              the ultimate Satisfaction and Happiness of our body/soul depends
              exclusively and only on the Remembrance of AL-LAH, in the very first place,
              always and forever, inshaAL-LAH.

              =QURAN TESTAMENT 13/28-29 = 24/35-38

              Remain in peace/salaam.

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                Timotheus
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                its not, seek the good pleasure of your LORD first and foremost.

                'seek ye first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all theese things will be added unto you'

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                  Man_of_Faith
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                  LastDay,

                  And which of those pleasures are not bad for one's personal development?

                  And do you gain anything positive from the pleasures?

                  I think I have heard before that we should not listen to people who advertise that we should take a share of this world.

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                    LastDay3
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                    LastDay,

                    And which of those pleasures are not bad for one's personal development?

                    And do you gain anything positive from the pleasures?

                    Salaam/Peace Man of Faith,

                    All of those lawful/legitimate blessings and pleasures that are perfectly Created and Granted by our Lord AL-LAH
                    for/unto each and every Human body/soul (=nafs) here are always Good/Best for Human's personal development.

                    Yes, by truly reflecting on the Creation Power of AL-LAH and wholeheartedly thanking HIM
                    for all of HIS lawful/legitimate blessings and pleasures granted unto each of us by our Lord AL-LAH here (=16/121-122)
                    every Human can gain ultimate Positive thereof, here in this World, and also in the Hereafter,
                    here thus

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                    32- Say "Who is there to forbid the Nice-Things that AL-LAH has brought forth for HIS Servants and all Good-Clean Provisions?"

                    Say "They are meant for those who believe during this Worldly Life, and they will be exclusive for them (also) on the Day of Resurrection."

                    It is such that We explain the Revelations for those who know.

                    QURAN TESTAMENT 7/32

                    I think I have heard before that we should not listen to people who advertise that we should take a share of this world.

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                    77- "And you shall seek with (the Provisions) bestowed upon you by AL-LAH the Abode of the Hereafter,

                    and do not forget your share in this World,

                    and do good (to all people) as AL-LAH has done good to you.

                    QURAN TESTAMENT 28/77

                    but instead of hearing the Word of AL-LAH above,
                    you always hear the voice of Iblees/Satan that provokes you against AL-LAH
                    and unfortunately you are easily deceived by him, dear brother/friend Man of Faith,

                    I hope you truly repent and return to AL-LAH immediately
                    in this most Beautiful and Rightful manner here

                    =QURAN TESTAMENT 25/68-69-70-71, 72-73-74-75-76

                    for that reason, I have sincerely warned you before this,
                    clearly thus

                    Salaam/Peace Man of Faith,

                    I essentially know the Arabic Language of QURAN, I always follow it in its original Arabic,
                    which is very Clear and Perfect, without any ambiguity/flaw in it, at all,
                    by the Grace of AL-LAH, unto all Humanity (18/1 & 39/28 & 43/3 & 54/17, 22).

                    I do not believe your self style lexicon/s and your personal inferences thereof,

                    --(in my understanding, your lexicon/s and inferences thereof are
                    fundamentally wrongful/deluded/mistaken/crooked,
                    and no one who essentially knows the basic Arabic Language of QURAN, which is
                    very Straightforward, Clear and Perfect (18/1 & 39/28 & 43/3 & 54/17, 22),

                    would take your self style lexicon/s and your personal inferences thereof, seriously,
                    never and not even a moment, at all)--

                    but everyone of us should totally be free here to follow the Path we choose for ourselves. (=76/3)

                    I have no intention to get into any discussion with you, dear Brother/Friend;
                    for we have already discussed the most fundamental and important Main Issues here

                    http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608758.90

                    Remain in peace/salaam.

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                      LastDay3
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                      its not, seek the good pleasure of your LORD first and foremost.

                      'seek ye first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all theese things will be added unto you'

                      Salaam/Peace Timotheus,

                      yes, I already totally agree with you, dear Brother/Friend,
                      in this respect,

                      ====================
                      31- Prophet Jesus said Therefore do not be anxious, saying,
                      ?What shall we eat?? or ?What shall we drink?? or ?What shall we wear??

                      32- For the peoples seek after all these things, and your Heavenly LORD knows that you need them all.

                      33- But seek first the Kingdom of GOD and HIS Righteousness, and all these things will also be given to you.

                      GOSPEL, Matthew 6/31-33

                      So, Prophet Jesus (Peace be upon Him) thus made it very clear that

                      if we seek first the Kingdom of AL-LAH and HIS Righteousness (by remembering HIM, loving and serving HIM, wholeheartedly),

                      then

                      all lawful/legitimate blessings and pleasures (=e.g. eating and drinking and clothes, etc. above) will also be granted
                      by our Lord AL-LAH unto all of HIS Servants, here in this World and also in the Hereafter.

                      This is the exact same Message our Lord AL-LAH has perfectly taught us also in QURAN TESTAMENT,
                      here

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                      28- Those who believe, and whose hearts find their rest in the Remembrance of AL-LAH,
                      for, verily, in the Remembrance of AL-LAH all hearts do find their rest.
                      29- Those who have believed, and have done Good Works, there will be Ultimate Joy/Happiness for them
                      and a wonderful Abode.


                      32- Say "Who is there to forbid the Nice-Things that AL-LAH has brought forth for HIS Servants
                      and all Good-Clean Provisions?"

                      Say "They are meant for those who believe during this Worldly Life, and they will be exclusive for them
                      (also) on the Day of Resurrection."

                      It is such that We explain the Revelations for those who know.

                      QURAN TESTAMENT 13/28-29 & 7/32

                      Remain in peace/salaam.

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