Im 100% sure that Aliens exist. But from religious point of view who are they ?
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there are lot of things in this universe what we have no knowledge off
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peace be upon you
jinn kind are beings created from fire before us, in my understanding. they are similiar to us and are of varying ways, read surah 72 (if i recall, al-jinn, the jinn) it may help you to understand
Gog and Margog, i have no certain knowledge.
Jibreel or Gabriel, and the other malaa`ekat, are deputies (about the best translation i can think of) or malaak, one who those beings who serve ALLH, and do not disobey him in anything, and whom are charged with various affairs that their LORD commands them, they are Witnessess to God, Bringers of messages, they take our souls when we die, and they are charged with care of us over our life. this is as much as i understand
man gives confusing and contradicting answers often, so no wonder you are confused, becuase you keep asking us, instead of asking God, and seeking His understanding, i would advise that you rather ask God first and foremost, and be patient untill He shows you His signs, If you trust in Him, even if you only have a small seed of faith, He will, if He so willed,grow that faith, and teach you. But only He can, noone else can guide us to the straight path but are actualy more likely to misguide us, with their own opinions and interpretations.
The key to islam is to obey God, if you are faithfull to Him, and obey and listen, He teaches us, that is why the clear verses in the quran, the straightfoward ones are 'the mother of the book', they give birth to the rest of it, including understanding thereof, for whoever God willed,and those who seek him and seek his understanding.
seek and you shall find.
peace be with you
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Timotheus,
Nothing can be MADE OF fire.
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Who are Gog and magog? Are they aliens ?
They are human.
Specifically a nomadic human with hunter and gatherer lifestyle who created havoc by migrating and invading to sedentary and agricultural human's territory for many centuries when the Bible or the Quran was being written.Known by many names, they invaded in many waves towards sedentary people's territory
https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasions_and_conquests
https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huns
https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goths
https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkic_migrationAs of now, the "Magogs" has became "us", and nearly all of them has adopted sedentary and agricultural lifestyle.
Gabriel is an alien too, right ? If he is not from this place.
If Mr Gabriel exist and he is not coming from this earth, then yes he's an "Extra Terrestrial" (read Beyond planet earth) being..
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Timotheus,
Nothing can be MADE OF fire.
well put it this way
wa al-janna khalaqnahu min qablu min naar al-samuum (1527)
i was trying to understand khalaq earlier, but God showed me it was not the time yet, but another interesting point i have not noticed previously..
kalaqnahu = we created him
him being singular.. although it possibly could be 'khalaqnahum' becuase of the assimilation of the following min, it would be a trivial error, but this is an interesting point, one i will have to look into.. i have been interested in understanding what exactly jinn are, more in depth, but all good things in time, God willing.
peace be with you all
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I hate to say this, but the title is a reason why many would call free-minds a place of conspiracy theorist, by using conspiracy theorist terminology.
"Gabriel is an alien too, right?" Gabriel is a SPIRIT as refered to in the Quran, and yes he is not from earth. Doesn't mean he is from another planet (like conspiracy theorist would suggest regarding "aliens".
This place gets hundreds of guests reading through the topics, such titles are quick turn off..I'm not sure what the administrators have to say about this. This is just my honest opinion and why I wouldn't contribute to this topic.
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the matter forms, soild, liquid , gas, plasma(energy) light etc
we are creation of soild, but its look unbeleiveable untill we discover the properties of soild and dust and get to know our bodies contain exactly the material ingrediets from earth.. like water, minerals , iron sulpher etc...
we did not fully understand the properties of energy yet becoz its a reaction to an action and advance level than solid( thats also one of the reason ibless refused to serve humanity) smokeless fire is mean to make us understand and the public of 700 ad becoz obviiously they was totally unaware about solid properties how can they grasp energy properties .... something very logical...
third advance form of matter only a hint that travel at enormous speed... like 186000 miles per second,,, the third creation what we know as controllers/malik/angels are created from that form... so its should be much more advance then dust and energy...
sometimes u need to dig out something in depth to discover the true nature of meanings..
i wonder people claim things based on the knowledge of lexicon and grammer which is also infact manmade.. they deny jins and malik becoz they themself are not fully aware ...
we all are just a human beings created from dust with dirt ...and obviously we have limits, we cannnot run at 60 miles per hour... we cannot continously walk for 5 hours withour taking rest.. we cannot spend a day wiithoout food.. we cannot solve what mind cannnot percieve... so dnt try to solve what you are unable to solve... lets make things easy and understanadble.... for people who really want to seek knowledge...
peace
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Archaeological proof there are 50,000+ 6000-year-old Sumerian clay tablets. They speak of all aspects of Sumerian life. Zecharia Sitchin is famous (in certain circles) for candidly translating these tablets as those politically-correct before him refused to. Sitchin speaks of the Anunnaki; non-humans in a sense and originally not from Earth...
The Bible mentions them as the Elohim; now this is indisputably a Jewish PLURAL form, commonly translated as a singular. According to Sitchin's translations the Anunnaki came to Earth and created man through their vast knowledge of genetic engineering that may actually go back billions of years.
There are a number of key players among the Anunnaki, an authoritarian society made up of human-reptilian hybrids...
I realise at this point that many readers will not have the pegs with which to assimilate such statements. I refer especially to a source i respect Anton Parks' website.According to one of Sitchin's last books End of Days the angel Gabriel is an Anunnaki named Sin.
Well, if you are interested in such things, there's your homework for you.
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Archaeological proof there are 50,000+ 6000-year-old Sumerian clay tablets. They speak of all aspects of Sumerian life. Zecharia Sitchin is famous (in certain circles) for candidly translating these tablets as those politically-correct before him refused to. Sitchin speaks of the Anunnaki; non-humans in a sense and originally not from Earth...
The Bible mentions them as the Elohim; now this is indisputably a Jewish PLURAL form, commonly translated as a singular. According to Sitchin's translations the Anunnaki came to Earth and created man through their vast knowledge of genetic engineering that may actually go back billions of years.
There are a number of key players among the Anunnaki, an authoritarian society made up of human-reptilian hybrids...
I realise at this point that many readers will not have the pegs with which to assimilate such statements. I refer especially to a source i respect Anton Parks' website.According to one of Sitchin's last books End of Days the angel Gabriel is an Anunnaki named Sin.
Well, if you are interested in such things, there's your homework for you.
Good knowledge. Mostly accurate. Just place it in the proper perspective. They are not aliens with bodies, but they are sure like alien (adjective) to us. But we do originate from them. We should join the unity of Elohim like they have, it is as you said a direct plural of Elah, with no double 'heh' as would be the case if the end heh was part of the (root) word.
That they seem to have descended or ascended into the sky is likely how people visualized it. They may as well have seemed like floating in midair. Their nature is now ethereal.
I am curious about the Sumerian inscriptions. It would surely aid my own research on the lore in my possession.
The Sumerian people must have been advanced for the time. Probably had some great minds.
Be well
Amenuel -
well put it this way
wa al-janna khalaqnahu min qablu min naar al-samuum (1527)
i was trying to understand khalaq earlier, but God showed me it was not the time yet, but another interesting point i have not noticed previously..
kalaqnahu = we created him
him being singular.. although it possibly could be 'khalaqnahum' becuase of the assimilation of the following min, it would be a trivial error, but this is an interesting point, one i will have to look into.. i have been interested in understanding what exactly jinn are, more in depth, but all good things in time, God willing.
peace be with you all
Khalaq means shape or form, not create.
Al-Jinn = the bodily/the world's "exterior" and it is made of the mysterious Naar which is not fire. The glow or energy as we might call it is shaping the world as we know it. Even unspiritual scientists can testify to that.
Yours and the sectarian translation is nearly right except the understanding of words. "And the bodily was shaped before from the glowing/sparkling void/hole". Al-samuum is a word giving adjectival attribute to naar and marks an empty space. Probably Naar is supposed to say emitting out of nothingness. The world is generated by a mysterious force that keeps radiating what we experience as energy because of the effects. And Al-Sema is meaning ether, i.e. a whereabout with only empty space without matter. It is metaphorically used to speak of the sky because it appears transparent.
Be well
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I hate to say this, but the title is a reason why many would call free-minds a place of conspiracy theorist, by using conspiracy theorist terminology.
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I tend to agree... just need few more threads with keywords of "Area 51", "Men In Black", "Reptilian Hybrid", "Annunaki", "Nibiru", "Dajjal", "Illuminati", "666" etc... to make it complete rotfl rotfl"Gabriel is an alien too, right?" Gabriel is a SPIRIT as refered to in the Quran, and yes he is not from earth. Doesn't mean he is from another planet (like conspiracy theorist would suggest regarding "aliens".
If Mr Gabe is not from earth, then Mr Gabe is an "Extra Terrestrial" (Extra = Not / Outside, Terrestrial = Earth / Land)
While an "Alien" doesn't need to come from another planet.. he might drink tea, eat toast and walk with a cane..
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I tend to agree... just need few more threads with keywords of "Area 51", "Men In Black", "Reptilian Hybrid", "Annunaki", "Nibiru", "Dajjal", "Illuminati", "666" etc... to make it complete rotfl rotflu forget to add, some more important things like quran, commands of quran... isnt it... messenger of quran... and so on... yeah
quran is consprisy theory launch by arabs through their leader muhammad... who was war lord at the time ...
this theory was generated by freemasons to have a control over jews and christians...
their headquarter was in makka still a mystery like area 51
all this stuff... and many more things what is running on the minds of people,, becoz they are free minds...
bravo
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Apology; the website zeitlin.net appears to be down. -
This is a great loss. It was Gary Zeitlin's work, a man working closely with Anton Parks. It appears all we have now are Anton Parks' books (and only 3 translated into English from French so far).As the Sumerian tablets appear to convey, the planet of the Anunnaki comes by the Earth every so many thousand years . It orbits our Sun's companion which probably make up a binary system together .
First off, if there are Reptilians (and 10 other), Human and hybrid intelligent species in the Universe, none of this precludes the existence of Allah. It just means our understanding is as small as Allah is great.
Having said that, it seems (whatever we are in this regard ) mankind was engineered about 250,000 years ago. Genetic, archaeological and geological evidence all point in this numerical direction .
This is an important issue in my book, though, and the reason i became interested in 'aliens' again after reading Sitchin the planet of the Anunnaki, Nibiru, appears to come by the Earth regularly and when it does this creates great distruction on the surface of the planet . I guess this might be what the scriptures refer to as an end of days.Good knowledge. Mostly accurate. Just place it in the proper perspective. They are not aliens with bodies We should join the unity of Elohim like they have That they seem to have descended or ascended into the sky is likely how people visualized it. They may as well have seemed like floating in midair. Their nature is now ethereal.
Nothing in my research suggests the Anunnaki are any less physical than man, unless you count the 2 other vibrational ranges of Earth that certain Reptilian species seem to be able to access; but even those other dimensions are quite physical once you're there. They are themselves Reptilian-Human hybrids living in a planet .
No matter what logic or data say, though, common sense has the last word; and common sense demands a reason why mankind only started crawling out of the stone age about 20,000 years ago when neither the evidence nor evolutionary theory suggest we could have 'popped into existence' only then.
Various scientific disciplines independent of each other point to Earth-wide destruction every 13,000 years or so. Well, if mankind gets thrown on his collective arses every 13,000 years, that could account for many things, for if mankind was created 250,000 years ago, why would we have sat on our hands all that time? Of if we evolved, the time we all were sitting in caves like fools would likely have lasted millions of years. None of that rhymes with world-wide activity these past millennia, with peoples all over the Earth developing technology no matter what race or country they live.God gave me a brain. It offers me logic, memory and common sense. As Jesus puts it, i am to use my 'talents' or lose them. So i respect what common sense suggests.
Days of destruction are coming, probably soon. I prepare because God has implanted within the human heart, body and soul an empathetic urge and i wish to prepare future generations for their 'stone age'.The cosmos is as endless as God is great. It is the mainstream's hubris, ignorance and gullibility that has the world believing the Earth is safe even though we've only experienced a few millennia of quiet here, which is really a sad way to look at things since our own interglacial just ended and the newest ice age (that will last far longer than the interglacial) is just getting started.
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quran is consprisy theory launch by arabs through their leader muhammad... who was war lord at the time ...
this theory was generated by freemasons to have a control over jews and christians...
their headquarter was in makka still a mystery like area 51
all this stuff... and many more things what is running on the minds of people,, becoz they are free minds...
bravo
Quran was written in heaven, bring down by sky being along with the black stone..
They set up a headquarter in Mecca and managed to recruit some minions to fulfill their world domination agenda.They asked their minions to invade other territory, expand their dominion to the 4 corner of the earth.
The invasion must be performed until one world government under the control of sky being are fulfilled.Those who dare to resist are labeled as "enemy of Allah" and punishable through slow and torturing death by crucifixion. Such cruel punishment are deemed necessary to instill fear upon those who dare to resist their world domination agenda.
To prove their allegiance and ensuring their control of all of the minions, they mandated a visit to the shrine which hold a black stone once a year and set forth the Quran as the only book and guidance to follow. (in similar manner as the Nazi with the Meinkampf).
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WOW The Bible is full of anger and wrath. To what extent is this book reliable?
Peace Sisters and Brothers.Im asking this because we all believe in one God. And as we know God himself talks about the previous scriptures in the Quran.
However when Im reading the Bible I can see some verses that are nonsense. Full of anger and sexually explicit.To what extent is this book reliable. How much of it is fiction and how much is Truth ?
Check out the following verses from the bible
Deuteronomy 2301 He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD.
So a person who was castrated cannot go to heaven ?
Matthew 1912 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.
However here Mr.Jesus says speaks of those people in a good manner.
1 Samuel 1825-17 And Saul said, Thus shall ye say to David, The king desireth not any dowry, but an hundred foreskins of the Philistines, to be avenged of the king's enemies. But Saul thought to make David fall by the hand of the Philistines.
And when his servants told David these words, it pleased David well to be the king's son in law and the days were not expired.
Wherefore David arose and went, he and his men, and slew of the Philistines two hundred men; and David brought their foreskins, and they gave them in full tale to the king, that he might be the king's son in law. And Saul gave him Michal his daughter to wife.So David killed 200 Philistines and took their foreskin to give as a gift ?
And there are other examples as these.
So HOW reliable IS THE BIBLE ?
Peace
So it appears many stories in old scriptures tell of the Anunnaki, that were as gods to the men living in the time they ruled the Earth out in the open.
But modern ideas about these aliens/gods have bunched them all together into a single entity; this obviously makes no sense and leaves people with knowledge scratching their heads, for mainstream biblical scholar suggest "Elohim" refers to God though it is a plural form. What gives?
The answer is that some of the Anunnaki were nice people and some not so nice; some supported and loved mankind and others hated and tried to exterminate us. When you throw all those stories and characters together in one single entity, that entity appears capricious, even schizophrenic.
Some Anunnaki would then clearly be distinguished as "gods not to follow", like Baal, whereas "the Lord" do, say and feel things that are all over the board.The story of Gilgamesh is one great example of all this; this is a story that predates the Bible by millennia but made it into the Old Testament.
The hero of the Sumerian flood epic, Ziusudra is the Noah mentioned in the Bible.Regarding the above post especially, i believe that the Anunnaki have no foreskins and that they told their servants to cut theirs off so when they wished to copulate with women all males would look similar. So that would make the whole foreskin issue into a big deal, politically as well as culturally.
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Khalaq means shape or form, not create.
Al-Jinn = the bodily/the world's "exterior" and it is made of the mysterious Naar which is not fire. The glow or energy as we might call it is shaping the world as we know it. Even unspiritual scientists can testify to that.
Yours and the sectarian translation is nearly right except the understanding of words. "And the bodily was shaped before from the glowing/sparkling void/hole". Al-samuum is a word giving adjectival attribute to naar and marks an empty space. Probably Naar is supposed to say emitting out of nothingness. The world is generated by a mysterious force that keeps radiating what we experience as energy because of the effects. And Al-Sema is meaning ether, i.e. a whereabout with only empty space without matter. It is metaphorically used to speak of the sky because it appears transparent.
Be well
AmenuelBe well,
interesting points, in terms of khalaq, though i still seek understanding, from the root i am getting more a concept of 'to bring into pysical being' or along the lines of 'making a recipie' kind of like 'enacting a design' or similar, for want of a better explanation.
i agree in much with your translation on naar and al-Sema, naar being more 'light energy' or a similar concept, and S-m-m being almost something like 'containing essense' or 'the containment that bonds between matter' prehaps, probably can agree ether is a decent translation
peace be with you
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Quran was written in heaven, bring down by sky being along with the black stone..
They set up a headquarter in Mecca and managed to recruit some minions to fulfill their world domination agenda.They asked their minions to invade other territory, expand their dominion to the 4 corner of the earth.
The invasion must be performed until one world government under the control of sky being are fulfilled.Those who dare to resist are labeled as "enemy of Allah" and punishable through slow and torturing death by crucifixion. Such cruel punishment are deemed necessary to instill fear upon those who dare to resist their world domination agenda.
To prove their allegiance and ensuring their control of all of the minions, they mandated a visit to the shrine which hold a black stone once a year and set forth the Quran as the only book and guidance to follow. (in similar manner as the Nazi with the Meinkampf).
you open my eyes my brother ,
why dnt you write a book something like , islam exposed, quran exposed and stuff like that...
hold on a second people try to expose in their very best effort but they face defeat all the time.. i still dnt know y hmm
when clear mistakes and contradictions happen on other scriptures they are unable to answer ...
i remeber a video even though it was a between a traditional muslim and christian .. on the subject the bible and quran in the light of science and audeince give their decision already .. although its been 16 years now but i amazed why did not other scriptures hold challange apart from quran...
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHpQK2UtAio
everybody must watch this in their free time...