Beating of kids or threating them with light violence
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Hi,
Beating a healthy strong man is not ugly? hmm
I can't conceive of really beating a creature neither big nor small,
I think there is difference between agression to somebody who is able to defend himself and somebody who may attempt to defend him or herself, but is not a match for the agressor.
And I do not mind being called sexist for it, but I do consider that being both things ugly, it is much uglier that a man should beat a woman, and I think I am not the only one to think so, but rather many people do, not that I need company for that, but what I mea is that it is not a fashion or posturing but omething which is in the fitra.
Salaam
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I can't conceive of really beating a creature neither big nor small,
Hi,
sorry missed this quote.
I think there is difference between agression to somebody who is able to defend himself and somebody who may attempt to defend him or herself, but is not a match for the agressor.
And I do not mind being called sexist for it, but I do consider that being both things ugly, it is much uglier that a man should beat a woman, and I think I am not the only one to think so, but rather many people do, not that I need company for that, but what I mea is that it is not a fashion or posturing but omething which is in the fitra.
Salaam
I think you say this because men are in general stronger then women.
I think it's better to say that it's uglier when a stronger person beats a weaker person. -
Peace
I could give many examples of when to reward your children materially/spiritually while avoiding making them think that they are your masters, because that is a fine line that they often cross, and you notice it by the tone of their voice when they talk to you.
when can you turn a blind eye to your misbehaving children, and how many times.
when to warn and punish psychologically.
when to warn of physical punishment, and how many warnings to give depending on how unacceptable is the action.
when to punish and the degree of the punishment, depending on the bad your children made.
However, it is not on me to give you understanding. I will have to fill many pages from what I have gathered throughout my life. Whatever you do is part of your test. Our children is the only case where we have the opportunity to be witness, judge, and executioner, and we will be judge for it.remember that nobody can be punished if he/she acted in ignorance. Therefore, children must have a certain age/level of understanding to begin to receive punishments. If you are not of those who fear God, and are not patient, you will be most likely to go beyond the limits. The only advice I can give you is that if you are angry do not punish your children, but intil you are calm again.
Forget the stupid idea that you should treat your children as equals, for they are not, they are your children and you are their parents, and there is a line that they shall never cross. You can be their friend, their partner, etc, but you should never allow them to feel that they are above you, and they shall honor you no matter how decrepit you have become. Discipline is the best way to show that you care/love to your children, and nobody hates it except the ungrateful ones.
Do not feel bad to tell your children that you will not tolerate disobedience, and that if they grow up to be rebellious, they will not be worthy of being called your sons/daughters. Read the Holy books, pray God for wisdom.
1145And Noah called to his Lord and said, "My Lord, indeed my son is of my family; and indeed, Your promise is true; and You are the most just of judges!"
1146He said, "O Noah, indeed he is not of your family; indeed, he is work was other than righteous, so ask Me not for that about which you have no knowledge. Indeed, I advise you, lest you be among the ignorant."proverbs 29
15 The rod and reproof give wisdom but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame.
17 Correct thy son, and he shall give thee rest; yea, he shall give delight unto thy soul.
18 Where there is no vision, the people perish but he that keepeth the law, happy is he.As for those that only speak because they have mouth
20 Seest thou a man that is hasty in his words? there is more hope of a fool than of him.may God increase our knowledge and give us wisdom.
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I think you say this because men are in general stronger then women.
Yes probably.
I think it's better to say that it's uglier when a stronger person beats a weaker person.
It's not necessarily better. It is perhaps true, in a theoretical and philosophical way, but when looking at reality, everyday life across the world, we see that it is in fact women, and children, who are being beaten up. The men who are being beaten and oppressed by women are a small minority, and an "anomaly" if you wish. The oppressive women and the subjugated men will probably remain lika that even when publiv opinion and culture changes. An anomaly is an exception. The real issue is the physical abuse that happens in the majority of cases.
Ok, since men will always be larger and stronger, physically, than women, the beating will never go away completely. The beating will always be there because it is the consequence of two factors that will remain constant forever 1) difference in phsical strength, and 2) the corruptness/weakness of the human mind. Just like men beat up women, dominant groups tend to oppress minority groups. The big bully in school will harass the weaker kids. A more powerful nation will boss around with weaker nations. This is what happens on an animal level, and it is quite natural. But human beings are not supposed to be animals. So, we should try to change general public opinion, while realizing that the extreme exceptions will always be there, and perhaps law enforcement will have to teach them a lesson.
So, I think it is better to stress that it is women who are victims of physical abuse, simply because this is reality. It serves no purpose to take it to a too philosohpical and mathematically correct level. Big vs small is too general and doesn't adress the ground level reality, even though it may be true.
Actually, violence against women and children (domestic violence) is a subset of general violence, but should not be hidden and forgotten inside general violence. The reason is that there are different mechanics at play. Like we don't call all illness by the same name and we don't treat all illness with the same medicine, yet all illness is illness.
Peace
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Yes probably.
It's not necessarily better. It is perhaps true, in a theoretical and philosophical way, but when looking at reality, everyday life across the world, we see that it is in fact women, and children, who are being beaten up. The men who are being beaten and oppressed by women are a small minority, and an "anomaly" if you wish. The oppressive women and the subjugated men will probably remain lika that even when publiv opinion and culture changes. An anomaly is an exception. The real issue is the physical abuse that happens in the majority of cases.Ok, since men will always be larger and stronger, physically, than women, the beating will never go away completely. The beating will always be there because it is the consequence of two factors that will remain constant forever 1) difference in phsical strength, and 2) the corruptness/weakness of the human mind. Just like men beat up women, dominant groups tend to oppress minority groups. The big bully in school will harass the weaker kids. A more powerful nation will boss around with weaker nations. This is what happens on an animal level, and it is quite natural. But human beings are not supposed to be animals. So, we should try to change general public opinion, while realizing that the extreme exceptions will always be there, and perhaps law enforcement will have to teach them a lesson.
So, I think it is better to stress that it is women who are victims of physical abuse, simply because this is reality. It serves no purpose to take it to a too philosohpical and mathematically correct level. Big vs small is too general and doesn't adress the ground level reality, even though it may be true.
Actually, violence against women and children (domestic violence) is a subset of general violence, but should not be hidden and forgotten inside general violence. The reason is that there are different mechanics at play. Like we don't call all illness by the same name and we don't treat all illness with the same medicine, yet all illness is illness.
Peace
O0Hi,
RED But I like to be mathematically correct >
It feels to me as injustice to others who are also victim of abuse to ignore them or give them less attention, only because they are men.BLUE I think we only use the word abuse/beating when it's an abuse/beating for that person.
My slap would be an abuse for a child, but it would be a tickle for mike tyson, but mike tyson also has his limits and can also get a slap which can be defined as abuse and then he deserves imho as much attention as the child.
So yes we should give the most attention to children because they are weakest (physically and mentally), but mike tyson has priority over a child who just got a slap from me if he is about to get dismembered.
What I try to say is that abuse is a relative concept because it differs for every person no matter age, gender, psychological condition, etc.
So when the line of abuse is reached for a person we have to give it equal priority, so for children this line can already trespassed very early because they are not only the weakest physical but also mentally as it can destroy their whole future lives.peace
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Hi,
RED But I like to be mathematically correct >(
It feels to me as injustice to others who are also victim of abuse to ignore them or give them less attention, only because they are men.Who says they would be ignored? Abusive violence is always a crime.
Men are not ignored just because there is an attempt to highlight and reduce domestic violence against women. The only reason why women are mentioned here is that they are the victims in the vast majority of cases. We are talking about Domestic violence here. Not focussing on them would be unfair and also a waste of time. Outside the home, mostly men are involved in violence. I think that gets quite it's fair attention.Like I said, it there is no need for people to get worried just because the plight of women is talked about in open words. Physical violence is still a crime no matter who committs it and no matter who the victim is. The problem of domestic violence though is a structural one, a societal one... and it should be addressed as such.
BLUE I think we only use the word abuse/beating when it's an abuse/beating for that person.
My slap would be an abuse for a child, but it would be a tickle for mike tyson, but mike tyson also has his limits and can also get a slap which can be defined as abuse and then he deserves imho as much attention as the child.
So yes we should give the most attention to children because they are weakest (physically and mentally), but mike tyson has priority over a child who just got a slap from me if he is about to get dismembered.
What I try to say is that abuse is a relative concept because it differs for every person no matter age, gender, psychological condition, etc.
So when the line of abuse is reached for a person we have to give it equal priority, so for children this line can already trespassed very early because they are not only the weakest physical but also mentally as it can destroy their whole future lives.peace
Yes. Mike Tyson will get help if he gets beaten down outside sports. So will children, and women. Who is being beaten up mostly?
Peace bro
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I think Zulf is right. Anybody who gets agresed gets attention, but the fact that violence against women gets, deservedly attntion a such is becaue it is not an individual things but like we would say, a class act. Thy are beaten because they ar women, not because they are any individual or a particular individual. Like rape, women are raped becaue they are women. Men are also raped by other men, but I do not think as a class act, except in Lut's city, or in child porn events which of course should get , and I do not think anybody disagrees with that, I do not know if enough attention, but attention as such, not as an individual event.
Women, within certain mentality are considered as territory, something on which to exert souveraignty. I definitel think there i something very characeristic in violence against women which makes it different from any chance or individual beating of which of course women can also be the victims, like being assaulted for money by drugaddicts or events like that. In that case they ar agressed by reason alien to their being women, and as a male could also be agessed.
Salaam
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Who says they would be ignored? Abusive violence is always a crime.
Men are not ignored just because there is an attempt to highlight and reduce domestic violence against women. The only reason why women are mentioned here is that they are the victims in the vast majority of cases. We are talking about Domestic violence here. Not focussing on them would be unfair and also a waste of time. Outside the home, mostly men are involved in violence. I think that gets quite it's fair attention.Like I said, it there is no need for people to get worried just because the plight of women is talked about in open words. Physical violence is still a crime no matter who committs it and no matter who the victim is. The problem of domestic violence though is a structural one, a societal one... and it should be addressed as such.
Yes. Mike Tyson will get help if he gets beaten down outside sports. So will children, and women. Who is being beaten up mostly?
Peace bro
Hi Bro,
Green You are a man of quantity
The problem imho with this approach is that the minority gets forgotten and/or are not taken seriously.The next scenario happens to often, not only in abuse/violence, but in general
"911 can I help you?"
"Hi, I am a man an my wife is abusing me"
"rotfl ok thank you for calling and have a nice day, bye" beep beep beep.
(911=society in general)My campaign for president of the world, would be like this
"domestic violence will have the highest priority"
and not
"domestic violence, especially against women, will have the highest priority"
It just does not feel right to me, no matter what the statistics say.If I am going to give a group extra privileges then it would be for sure not women just because they are women or because of statistics.
The ones who deserve in my view extra privileges are children,disabled people and elderly because they are not only physically weak but also mentally. -
I think Zulf is right. Anybody who gets agresed gets attention, but the fact that violence against women gets, deservedly attntion a such is becaue it is not an individual things but like we would say, a class act. Thy are beaten because they ar women, not because they are any individual or a particular individual. Like rape, women are raped becaue they are women. Men are also raped by other men, but I do not think as a class act, except in Lut's city, or in child porn events which of course should get , and I do not think anybody disagrees with that, I do not know if enough attention, but attention as such, not as an individual event.
Women, within certain mentality are considered as territory, something on which to exert souveraignty. I definitel think there i something very characeristic in violence against women which makes it different from any chance or individual beating of which of course women can also be the victims, like being assaulted for money by drugaddicts or events like that. In that case they ar agressed by reason alien to their being women, and as a male could also be agessed.
Salaam
GREEN >
RED Sorry but I can not agree with this. This is maybe true in some places or whatever, but that is imo not the reason.
I think the reason of abuse/violence is simply because the party who get's oppressed is weaker.
I am stronger then him or her so I can give that one a beating without fearing for myself.I just did some googling.
According to some paper, in 2005 76% of the victims of domestic violence in The Netherlands was a female.
So this leaves us with 24 % of the victims as males.
So you think those male victims were only victim because they are male?
I do not think so, I think they were victim because they were weaker (and weaker does not always have to be in physical aspect).I think the whole issue is not about genders but about oppression of the weaker party.
I think if you put in a island 100 women and 100 men, and all women are stronger then the strongest man there, then the women will oppress the men.
Not because they are men but because they are weaker then them.But of course I did not do any study on it this, it is just what my mind is telling me.
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Peace,
But why only on an island? hmm
Is there no place on earth except islands? hmmbrickwall
If I did not know that you were bigger then me then I would jump in plane right now, to oppress you very brutally yes
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Peace,
GREEN >(
RED Sorry but I can not agree with this. This is maybe true in some places or whatever, but that is imo not the reason.
I think the reason of abuse/violence is simply because the party who get's oppressed is weaker.
I am stronger then him or her so I can give that one a beating without fearing for myself.I just did some googling.
According to some paper, in 2005 76% of the victims of domestic violence in The Netherlands was a female.
So this leaves us with 24 % of the victims as males.
So you think those male victims were only victim because they are male?
I do not think so, I think they were victim because they were weaker (and weaker does not always have to be in physical aspect).I think the whole issue is not about genders but about oppression of the weaker party.
I think if you put in a island 100 women and 100 men, and all women are stronger then the strongest man there, then the women will oppress the men.
Not because they are men but because they are weaker then them.But of course I did not do any study on it this, it is just what my mind is telling me.
I agree with you.
peace
Sajda.
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llcrimes ar ecommitted because the criminal thinks his victim is weaker, because they can get away with it. That isan enabling factor, but not the cause.
In most cases of abuse and beating of children and women it is inside the family, obviously too where they can get aeay with it because of lack of witnesses or fear of worse thing, but that i an enabling factor not the cause. Women may beat up other women or may abuse them also because they can get away with it. Because they do not get along or because they ursue some interest. But the cause of the violence against women and children may be similar and it is not the fact that they are stronger, although that may bea factor, and please do not say that other violence does not get attention it doe get it. It hs always got it and it continues to be so, but what did not get attention till very recen9tly was the domestic violence andmost domestic if not all violence has been exerted against women and children. That is, it starts with the women and may carry on with the children and sometimes the couple is violent together wit the children. But violence against childrne got earlier attention that violence against women. Somehow it ws understood that in a way it was logical.
S it i false that onlyviolence gainst women is getting attention, in fact it goes on and again the reason is not being stronger that is just the enabling factor, when it is. There is somethign else at work which different from other violence and it is, like Zulf said, a different thing. And if it is getting attention then it was high time it got it.
And musr add if it is becuse some are stronger thn the others ll men or almost would commit violence against women and children but they do not. Far from it, so it is not a question of being weaker or stronger butof having certai compulsions unchecked. It is not a question of men or women, but of certain traits that some men ar prone to with women just because they are women.
Why do you think we get the biblical tale of paradise where God formed the woman FOR the man and then made her subservient to him and the snake annd all that.
There is a mentality, a mental construct behind all that. o to see it is to be blinded.
It is not that victims of either sex are to be neglected, that is not that and it is not hapenning at any rate if it is happening it is not because now the beating of wome is getting attention, and not as much as it believed. It is talked a lot about and ued as logan to get votes but it doe ot get as much as would be thought.
Wome are also vicims of general violence, not of ciolence against women, but the complaint is not bout that because that kind of aggressionmore or less has been attended to always. But the terror for many years suffered by wome within four walls that is somethign else.
You say that men get that too, I do not deny it, but although it is very much dished out as a counter attack against the ight against violence against women it is being handled in communications as a kind of claiing that wome should not get much attention. I have not seen personnlly that kind of abuse of men, but I have seenso many cases against women...I do not say it does not exist because I have not seen it, no I do not say that, but rather that it should be handled properly not as a cause to ubdue the violence specific against women but as its own cause, because probably, it is reallywidespread there should be some cause, specific to it. In that case, abused men and women should be solidarity cause, ot a competing cause, but it is the kind of thing like th emiseries of some countries people only think of them when some eople speak for Palestine, they are bothered by the fact that eople speak about Palestine, not by the miseries of other countries, but the use those miseries to counter Palestine, ?ee what I mean? Each cause its treatment and struggle, but to use a cause to neglect another cause is not a hlep.
o may be the domestic mistratment of males should be handled as such.
Salaam
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The next scenario happens to often, not only in abuse/violence, but in general
"911 can I help you?"
"Hi, I am a man an my wife is abusing me"
"rotfl ok thank you for calling and have a nice day, bye" beep beep beep.
(911=society in general)Well, if the man had said "chasing me with a knife" or "beating me with a hammer" perhaps the response would be proper. Just "abusing" sounds like she is hurling insults towards him.
If I am going to give a group extra privileges then it would be for sure not women just because they are women or because of statistics.
The ones who deserve in my view extra privileges are children,disabled people and elderly because they are not only physically weak but also mentally.I don't see how highlighting a common problem and trying to change people's mind is to give undue privileges to someone.
Peace bro Bender O0
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Though off topic, I'll just add that
Women are at a disadvantage because of a combination of things
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Since ancient times, they were physically weaker. In a physical hunter and gatherer society physical strength meant you could dominate somebody. This attitude may have been passed down through DNA. Even today we have the same difference in physical strength, but although strength is not vital in society, it can still be used to bully someone. This is how I speculate at the moment.
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Women are different from men. Men and women are not identical. One can tell difference between men and women. It seems to be a part of the human mindset to look down on, have fear of, and be hostile towards, anything which is perceived as different from oneself. Minority groups are being oppressed throughout the world. The odd kid in school is bullied. Immigrants are discriminated and slandered against. If men perceive themselves to be stronger than women (by fact, imagination, habit or tradition) they will also bully them.
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For negative things to be expressed, you need a certain amount of fear, anger (you name it) in combination with lack of compassion, wisdom, imagination and mental restraints. Some men do, not all. So, of course all men do not act or think negatively towards women... just like all human beings are not murderers or robbers. Men are not worse than women. Human beings are dubious in general.
Women are not oppressed just because they are women, per se... there obviously must be more to it. Just like the hispanic immigrant aren't discriminated against just because he is hispanic. The reason is that he is 1) different and 2) in a weaker position, along with the mental prerequisites (fear, mental habits -> prejudice) in the minds of the discriminators. By the way, women are discriminated against in many more ways than just being physcially abused.
So, women are being subjected to harassment because they are easy prey.
Easy prey in terms of 1) physical strength and in terms of 2) moral weakness (I mean that the oppressor is the one morally weak, and so fails to remain good. It becomes easy to oppress when you have no integrity and are slave to your negativities and fears.)I think it is wise to target ethnic/gender/class discrimination, even though there are other cases, situations and scenarios out there were oppression is taking place. This is not undue privilege for these targeted groups. Unfair treatment should be addressed everywhere, and it should be addressed in name so that it gets highlighted, otherwise it will drown in a Sea of Obscure Average Generality where nothing stands out and nothing can be addressed, and would therefor vanish into the shadows where the oppression may continue.
Cheers all
Feel free to point out any logical flaws of mine
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Though off topic, I'll just add that
Women are at a disadvantage because of a combination of things
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Since ancient times, they were physically weaker. In a physical hunter and gatherer society physical strength meant you could dominate somebody. This attitude may have been passed down through DNA. Even today we have the same difference in physical strength, but although strength is not vital in society, it can still be used to bully someone. This is how I speculate at the moment.
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Women are different from men. Men and women are not identical. One can tell difference between men and women. It seems to be a part of the human mindset to look down on, have fear of, and be hostile towards, anything which is perceived as different from oneself. Minority groups are being oppressed throughout the world. The odd kid in school is bullied. Immigrants are discriminated and slandered against. If men perceive themselves to be stronger than women (by fact, imagination, habit or tradition) they will also bully them.
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For negative things to be expressed, you need a certain amount of fear, anger (you name it) in combination with lack of compassion, wisdom, imagination and mental restraints. Some men do, not all. So, of course all men do not act or think negatively towards women... just like all human beings are not murderers or robbers. Men are not worse than women. Human beings are dubious in general.
Women are not oppressed just because they are women, per se... there obviously must be more to it. Just like the hispanic immigrant aren't discriminated against just because he is hispanic. The reason is that he is 1) different and 2) in a weaker position, along with the mental prerequisites (fear, mental habits -> prejudice) in the minds of the discriminators. By the way, women are discriminated against in many more ways than just being physcially abused.
So, women are being subjected to harassment because they are easy prey.
Easy prey in terms of 1) physical strength and in terms of 2) moral weakness (I mean that the oppressor is the one morally weak, and so fails to remain good. It becomes easy to oppress when you have no integrity and are slave to your negativities and fears.)I think it is wise to target ethnic/gender/class discrimination, even though there are other cases, situations and scenarios out there were oppression is taking place. This is not undue privilege for these targeted groups. Unfair treatment should be addressed everywhere, and it should be addressed in name so that it gets highlighted, otherwise it will drown in a Sea of Obscure Average Generality where nothing stands out and nothing can be addressed, and would therefor vanish into the shadows where the oppression may continue.
Cheers all
Feel free to point out any logical flaws of mine
Interesting post Zulf. Well said.
Peace. )
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Well, if the man had said "chasing me with a knife" or "beating me with a hammer" perhaps the response would be proper. Just "abusing" sounds like she is hurling insults towards him.
what you descibe sounds more like an attempt to murder to me
I don't see how highlighting a common problem and trying to change people's mind is to give undue privileges to someone.
Peace bro Bender O0That's advanced math, very difficult to understand
Maybe I misunderstood what you meant with highlighting/stressing. Isn't it already very well known who the majority of victims are in domestic violence?
I think if you want to highlight a group then maybe it's better to highlight that men and elderly are also victims of domestic violence, I think a lot of people do not know this or do not take it serious. -
Women beating has been around for milennia. Now it is getting sommme attention. Abuse of parents, old or not so old, is something that is widespreading now. I do not know whether it happnened as a social isue before, but what is going on now is somewhat new. I can't see that stresing the abuse of women, very widespread favours the neglect of other groups. I brin up again what I said about Palestine in aother post. How does the
action, at whatever level in favour of Palestine wron any other just cause in the world. I would say it favours it. But crying against action for Palestine because there are other causes not as flagrant but also very wrong is barking at the wron tree.Old parents are abused because peole struggle against beating women, but it is something enw and there are causes for it and these must be addressed. At the bottom there is a single cause like making consumables of persons. You come to think that using persons for you own reward and watever cost for the persons abused is just acceptable to the doers. How have they come up to such understanding, or rather misunderstanding.
Again I do not think that the fight against mistreatment of women should be lessenned. There are still waaay too may who put up with hummiliation and cruelty for years... feeling that they are less tha shit.
But as I also said regarding Palestine, why not ope threads for those things that are estimated to get less attention than they deserve instead of charging against the complaint for the ake of Palestine.
I do not hink the battle against maltreatmnt and beating and terrorising of women is won, far from it. It would be a shame that it is dropped or disregarded or lessenned. It destroys social
cohesion and carries on damaging the next generation more than meets the eye.So, Bender, I encourage you to open threads where other strains of evilness towards other huamn beings are highlighted.
Salaam
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Women beating has been around for milennia. Now it is getting sommme attention. Abuse of parents, old or not so old, is something that is widespreading now. I do not know whether it happnened as a social isue before, but what is going on now is somewhat new. I can't see that stresing the abuse of women, very widespread favours the neglect of other groups. I brin up again what I said about Palestine in aother post. How does the
action, at whatever level in favour of Palestine wron any other just cause in the world. I would say it favours it. But crying against action for Palestine because there are other causes not as flagrant but also very wrong is barking at the wron tree.Old parents are abused because peole struggle against beating women, but it is something enw and there are causes for it and these must be addressed. At the bottom there is a single cause like making consumables of persons. You come to think that using persons for you own reward and watever cost for the persons abused is just acceptable to the doers. How have they come up to such understanding, or rather misunderstanding.
Again I do not think that the fight against mistreatment of women should be lessenned. There are still waaay too may who put up with hummiliation and cruelty for years... feeling that they are less tha shit.
But as I also said regarding Palestine, why not ope threads for those things that are estimated to get less attention than they deserve instead of charging against the complaint for the ake of Palestine.
I do not hink the battle against maltreatmnt and beating and terrorising of women is won, far from it. It would be a shame that it is dropped or disregarded or lessenned. It destroys social
cohesion and carries on damaging the next generation more than meets the eye.So, Bender, I encourage you to open threads where other strains of evilness towards other huamn beings are highlighted.
Salaam
Hi Huruf,
I think in fact palestine is the opposite. What happend and still happens in africa is so much worse and in larger numbers than palestine, think of the Rwandan genocide.
When we came to know what actually happend there the population was almost extinct. And even when we knew what was happening it was not important.
The important ones are the palestines.
They are important because we see them everyday on the news, they got/get so much attention that other groups who are maybe even in more danger are simply neglected.RED There are happily better people than me who in fact are doing this. Here in the Netherlands I see every know and then a "commercial" about a "forgotten" group to remind people.
I do not say that women deserve less attention then they do get now, I am only saying that we have not to forget other groups.
But I guess you and Zulf are saying the same only reasoned from a different angle -
Paletine would have gone down the drain just as so many genocides had it not met with resistance, enough resistance to make it lt for years. Had the genociders succeeded in the first three years of the crime, we would be happily carrying on and learning history wrong or right but thinking that what a pity a peple dissappeared. So there was resistance and so we get an opportunity of ... Of what? of not forgetting that crime is crime.
The point over that is that those who bring up something when we still carry on upporting Palestine is that they come up withthe complaining over other things, just and only just, whenPalestine is spoken about. NOthing prevent anybody from supporting whatever cause hey deem worth. The poit being if something which is all over, that we cannot say we do not know about, still get executed, than there is very little hope of anything, wither for Palestine or for anything else that is not in the interest of the most powerful.
But I guess you and Zulf are saying the same only reasoned from a different angle
Tat is what I tink. Women donot get helped if others ar beaten and like wise nobody gets helped because women are beaten. So really I guess that each person tries hi or her best those aspcts he or she is most knowledgeable or more directly touched.
Women have been beaten and abused for ages because it was considered tat nobody should intervene in affairs of he family and the head of the family was the amle, so that was it. How unlucky for a woman if she wa beati or mistreated
Today we all have high ideals about nobody being mistreated, but the thing is that the mentality that is winning is the metality of the moral right of power, ifyou can get away with something, you are not scum but successful so you tread on anybody that botherss you or wo happens to arouse your nasty feelings, be it parent, a meeker person, a woman where "she shouldn't be"... the list may be long, but the main overall culprit is the lack of morality and self-satisfaction. We crave and crave and crave and there is no end to craving, but never anything is enough to satify us... Humiliating others makes us feel more powerful...
We get taught tht through media and through news. "News is a great school of inmorality and unhumanness.
Salaam