Jesus , had a father ?What do you think?
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Salaams,
just something i came accross,may be right ,but i believe only Allah with his infinite Knowledge Knows best.Salaams.From lanes.
Root =B,TH.
BaTHa?a ,BaTHaout= He was or became foul ,unseemly or obscene.
BaTHaa = He was ,or became ,evil in disposition.
Anta=Thou/she/it.
Hejaban=He ,it ,veiled,concealed,hid,covered,or protected,him,it.
Sanee=High or exalted in Rank or condition
From qd.
Yum=purpose a thing,aim at, go towards.
S=An adverb prefixed to imperfect of the verbs to denote the meaning of future.Basharun = Bearing good news.
Basharan=Bearing good news.1016
And mention in the book Mary when evil disposition/happening (took effect) away from her family a place (an) open dwelling .Then she took herself from them ,a screen/for protection, so we sent to her our spirit jibreel and he appeared before her bearing good news in all respects???????????.how can I have a son when not the status I am going towards bears good news nor I am a slave/prostitute. -
Salaam,
When I read the quran I do not come across any idea of a virgin birth to begin with. It's hard to not imagine it as such though when you've got the 'common' identity of Jesus out there as a man born of a virgin. Sometimes though I may be getting out of hand though and do not see any of the names for the rusul as personal names for persons. I must go back to the literal basics and start anew. evil
Joe
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Salams all,
I am sorry but I do see a mistranslation and I feel an obligation to correct it. You often accuse others of the same thing.
From lanes.
Root =B,Zal,Wa.
Baza?a ,Bazaout= He was or became foul ,unseemly or obscene.
Bazaa = He was ,or became ,evil in disposition.
Anta=Thou/she/it
.1- the Ayah is 1916 and not 1016
2- You did not present the transliteration. There is no Z in the word you are talking about.1916 Waothkur fee alkitabimaryama ithi intabathat min ahliha makanansharqiyyan
I bolded the word and it has TH and not Z.This is a HUGE difference.
3- INTABATHAT is not two words as you suggested. It is a derivative of the root NBTH which means cast away something. when you put the I at the beginning and the T after the N it becomes Cast away oneself.
You may want to study the arabic grammar because it will help you with those issues.
Please be careful brother.
Hussein
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Salaams Br.
are you educated in arabic grammer-no i am not/but what i do now i think i have learnt it through my own efforts and i didn't mean to imply two words ,sorry if you understood this way, and i still seem to understand exactly same as before only difference is i didn't communicate i think effectively enough - and please i am not changing any words i am merely giving the meanings from lanes and or qd,with respects.But you are welcome to change my Z to A TH as you said but the word in the arabic is /are still the same as before ,it was me using Z rather then a TH -in the Quran and the dictionary the word still has the THAL, WITH THE dot and the meanings from lanes and qd , still remain the same i think.
Yes it was 1916 , and not 1016 , Thanks for this.
Salaams Bro,
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Salaam HLatif,
mz357 has no idea what he is talking about and it looks like he is doing that on purpose.
Now this is to mz357
This is too much, mz357. You are mixing up things and this is not the first time. Now I can say that you cannot possibly be a Muslim and that you are not here to learn but you are here to confuse the non-Arabs because they are the only ones whom you can possibly fool. evil
Taj
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Sorry Taj ,
certainly not a blind muslim like you.God Bless Me for that.Bye.
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Salams All
But you are welcome to change my Z to A TH as you said but the word in the arabic is /are still the same as before ,it was me using Z rather then a TH -in the Quran and the dictionary the word still has the THAL, WITH THE dot and the meanings from lanes and qd , still remain the same i think.
Totally WRONG. You have in introduced the root BZW that DOES NOT exist AT ALL in the AYAH and then you claimed that there is ANTA which there is not. The word IS NOT the same. Dot on top of the DAL makes a TH as in the. The Z is a dot on top of the Ra .
BZW means what you said but IT DOES NOT EXIST IN the AYAH
The word is INTABATHAT meaning
NBTH means cast something or someone away
iNtaBaTHa means to cast oneself awaySO NOTHING bad happened to her as you suggested. She just put herself away in seclusion.
Please do not clain that you know Arabic grammar. Because if you did then I will have to agree with TAJ that your aim is not pure. Fear GOD and do not play with his words.
Hussein
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Salaams latif,
try telling someone else,because i don't take advice unless i like it , but regarding your interpretaion i don't dought it but it doesn't mean i except it , and if taj or you think i don't need to be called a believer good for you as both of you are no dought non believers as i to many other peoples interpretations ,
for hindues eat cows dung and drink thier urine and to them i can't/don't do that sort of think so i may /am a non believer to the likes of them as well.
Anyway i don't fall into the catagory of your type of muslims the five timers or the hadithists or the miracle believers - either.But then again such people to me are totally ignorant of Allah and his revelations .
Good hunting.and Salaams to you both.
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Salaams,
by the way check lanes and then clarify if the root exists or it doesn't and some people won't be forgiven i think for calling others liers without checking ,if you don't have the time thats another story but still you can't call others liers without checking???if you still insist then god forgive your ingnorance,Both.Thanks. -
Salam mz357,
by the way check lanes and then clarify if the root exists or it doesn't and some people won't be forgiven i think for calling others liers without checking
The word is in Lane as well as in other dictionaries. SHOW IT (BZW)TO me in Ayah 1916. That is the question. THERE is NO BZW derivative in the AYAH. You never showed the transliteration of the AYAH nor the Arabic version of it, Why?
I don't think that I called you a non muslim. I don't know you, and I am definitely not in your heart nor mind. You can read my post again. I did ask you not to play with GOD's words though, and I stand by it. You have the right not to hear my advice.
Salam again
Hussein
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Salaams latif,
i think the difference is arrising because i don't consider the first part of the arabic word in the ayat 1916
as being part of the root.AS you put it INTA .i DON'T THINK inta is part of the root,sorry if you disagree .
THE root is on page 172 of lanes and i did check again to remove any error,
and the root is B,TH which as you typed in your few posts earlier is in the arabic word(inta or anta -BATHAT)
To me the t at the end of the rabic word is simply clasifying it as faminine singular .
As i said earlier i don't .no way, dought your interpretation - but then again i can't except it to my understanding i may be right.
Thanks.
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Peace be upon you all,
If Jesus was a real human being, which no one here can confirm or deny, then he had a father.
I refer to understand Isa as the WORD of the God manifest in man from the PURE MIND (chaste Mariam).
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Salam again,
My root is not BTH. It is N-B-TH the TH sounds like the TH in THE (english). You can look it up at Lanes and you will find it. The INTA at the beginning of the Intabatha is not YOU as you suggested because YOU will be ANTA and it will be a separate word and not connected to the rest of the word
English INTABATHAT
Hussein
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Salaams latif,
unfortunately my mulah sahib who taught me the quran when i was 7 years old,pronounced the THAL with the dot as Zal so i always read and am used pronouncing it that way but now realised over time it is incorrect way to pronounce it BUT BR. that doesn't alter the words meaning in the dictionary as it is the arabic written word in discussion, ain't it? AND its meaning! -
Salaams latif,
just returning your second post.So the difference now is, as i said earlier ANT to me is not part of the root to you it may be ,
see page 35 in qd - means "thou" obvoiusly if taken like this it can mean something along this line.(or 110,111 in lanes).
But if we consider your root then you will keep to you original translation - i think.So lets leave it alone for each of us has his own moral way,here.
Thanks and
Salaam latif. -
You shouldn't accuse me of trying to fool people , i don't do this sort of crap , you on the other hand are doing it because of your blatant misguided beliefs , me i don't consider that sort of belief not even a hay pennies worth.
As you can see latif was trying to prove rather then blindly accuse,which is galant of him-and i admire this .you should be ashamed of yourself ,rather then trying to prove something your blabering your mouth off.
Thanks.