Jesus , had a father ?What do you think?
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Salams All
But you are welcome to change my Z to A TH as you said but the word in the arabic is /are still the same as before ,it was me using Z rather then a TH -in the Quran and the dictionary the word still has the THAL, WITH THE dot and the meanings from lanes and qd , still remain the same i think.
Totally WRONG. You have in introduced the root BZW that DOES NOT exist AT ALL in the AYAH and then you claimed that there is ANTA which there is not. The word IS NOT the same. Dot on top of the DAL makes a TH as in the. The Z is a dot on top of the Ra .
BZW means what you said but IT DOES NOT EXIST IN the AYAH
The word is INTABATHAT meaning
NBTH means cast something or someone away
iNtaBaTHa means to cast oneself awaySO NOTHING bad happened to her as you suggested. She just put herself away in seclusion.
Please do not clain that you know Arabic grammar. Because if you did then I will have to agree with TAJ that your aim is not pure. Fear GOD and do not play with his words.
Hussein
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Salaams latif,
try telling someone else,because i don't take advice unless i like it , but regarding your interpretaion i don't dought it but it doesn't mean i except it , and if taj or you think i don't need to be called a believer good for you as both of you are no dought non believers as i to many other peoples interpretations ,
for hindues eat cows dung and drink thier urine and to them i can't/don't do that sort of think so i may /am a non believer to the likes of them as well.
Anyway i don't fall into the catagory of your type of muslims the five timers or the hadithists or the miracle believers - either.But then again such people to me are totally ignorant of Allah and his revelations .
Good hunting.and Salaams to you both.
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Salaams,
by the way check lanes and then clarify if the root exists or it doesn't and some people won't be forgiven i think for calling others liers without checking ,if you don't have the time thats another story but still you can't call others liers without checking???if you still insist then god forgive your ingnorance,Both.Thanks. -
Salam mz357,
by the way check lanes and then clarify if the root exists or it doesn't and some people won't be forgiven i think for calling others liers without checking
The word is in Lane as well as in other dictionaries. SHOW IT (BZW)TO me in Ayah 1916. That is the question. THERE is NO BZW derivative in the AYAH. You never showed the transliteration of the AYAH nor the Arabic version of it, Why?
I don't think that I called you a non muslim. I don't know you, and I am definitely not in your heart nor mind. You can read my post again. I did ask you not to play with GOD's words though, and I stand by it. You have the right not to hear my advice.
Salam again
Hussein
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Salaams latif,
i think the difference is arrising because i don't consider the first part of the arabic word in the ayat 1916
as being part of the root.AS you put it INTA .i DON'T THINK inta is part of the root,sorry if you disagree .
THE root is on page 172 of lanes and i did check again to remove any error,
and the root is B,TH which as you typed in your few posts earlier is in the arabic word(inta or anta -BATHAT)
To me the t at the end of the rabic word is simply clasifying it as faminine singular .
As i said earlier i don't .no way, dought your interpretation - but then again i can't except it to my understanding i may be right.
Thanks.
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Peace be upon you all,
If Jesus was a real human being, which no one here can confirm or deny, then he had a father.
I refer to understand Isa as the WORD of the God manifest in man from the PURE MIND (chaste Mariam).
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Salam again,
My root is not BTH. It is N-B-TH the TH sounds like the TH in THE (english). You can look it up at Lanes and you will find it. The INTA at the beginning of the Intabatha is not YOU as you suggested because YOU will be ANTA and it will be a separate word and not connected to the rest of the word
English INTABATHAT
Hussein
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Salaams latif,
unfortunately my mulah sahib who taught me the quran when i was 7 years old,pronounced the THAL with the dot as Zal so i always read and am used pronouncing it that way but now realised over time it is incorrect way to pronounce it BUT BR. that doesn't alter the words meaning in the dictionary as it is the arabic written word in discussion, ain't it? AND its meaning! -
Salaams latif,
just returning your second post.So the difference now is, as i said earlier ANT to me is not part of the root to you it may be ,
see page 35 in qd - means "thou" obvoiusly if taken like this it can mean something along this line.(or 110,111 in lanes).
But if we consider your root then you will keep to you original translation - i think.So lets leave it alone for each of us has his own moral way,here.
Thanks and
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You shouldn't accuse me of trying to fool people , i don't do this sort of crap , you on the other hand are doing it because of your blatant misguided beliefs , me i don't consider that sort of belief not even a hay pennies worth.
As you can see latif was trying to prove rather then blindly accuse,which is galant of him-and i admire this .you should be ashamed of yourself ,rather then trying to prove something your blabering your mouth off.
Thanks.
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mz357,
What you are doing here and in other threads as well is not a study of the Quran words because if it was then you would have immediately accepted what Br. HLatif, who is a master in Arabic, has clearly and thoroughly explained. There aren't two ways about studying those words unless you consider your twisted approach a way. roll
Thankfully, Br.HLatif has got my point )So anyway, let's wait and see the next word you intend to play with x
Taj
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Salaam taj,
i think some joke you are , although i have actually given up translating , believe you me , i think you are a very good hinderance to prevent me going any further. Unless i see Allah wants otherwise.Thanks.Khuda Hafiz.
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Peace brothers and sisters!
PEACE!! D
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Salaam mz357,
i think some joke you are , although i have actually given up translating
Have you really? Great news! I just hope you stick to this giving-up! rollbelieve you me , i think you are a very good hinderance to prevent me going any further.
I didn't know I have such powerUnless i see Allah wants otherwise.
Thankfully, there will always be people to defend Allah's Words, i.e. Br.HLatifKhuda Hafiz and Salaams!
Taj
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Peace be upon you Taj,
Thank you D Just trying to keep peace between us as we are instructed to do. I hpe you both wil do the same for me if I a debate turns into agruing. D