Does All Mighty All Powerful God need our Worship?
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Peace
Do we need to worship God? If God says that he gave Adam of his Spirit. Than doesn't it mean that We too have a share of Gods Spirit? So do we worship each other? Our selves?
And how do we know that the Quran in its entirety was never changed? What if the verse that says that God will preserve the book in its entirity was added, by humans? To not let anyone question its truthfulness ? So later some humans could add verses or delete some verses out of the book?
Peace
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And how do we know that the Quran in its entirety was never changed? What if the verse that says that God will preserve the book in its entirity was added, by humans? To not let anyone question its truthfulness ? So later some humans could add verse or delete verse out of the book?
Peace brother hansolo,
Very nice questions bravo
Seek Allah's help on the same, inshaAllah He will surely guide you on this.
And never stop questioning. Good luck on your journey bro. -
Congratulations to your reflection, I might add some input later if I find the thread again.
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Do we need to worship God? If God says that he gave Adam of his Spirit. Than doesn't it mean that We too have a share of Gods Spirit? So do we worship each other? Our selves?
Depends on how you interpret 'worship'. I myself prefer the translation 'You alone we serve' in stead of 'You alone we worship'. Serving God by 'serving' mankind and doing good to each other sounds more logical to me than limiting the meaning of 'worship' to simply performing rituals.
And how do we know that the Quran in its entirety was never changed? What if the verse that says that God will preserve the book in its entirity was added, by humans? To not let anyone question its truthfulness ? So later some humans could add verses or delete some verses out of the book?
To me, the fact that every sect/madhhab today (sunnism, shiism, alevism, ahmadism, salafism, sufism, etc.) is contradicting the Quran is one of the many proofs that God preserved the message. Some examples
- The Quran says it explains itself (111-2), while all sects say you need hadith to explain the Quran.
- The Quran repeatedly says it's easy to understand (5417,22,32,40), while sectarian scholars say it's too difficult for you.
- The Quran says it's the only source of guidance (456, 73, 6114) while each sect claims you need their books too.
- The Quran speaks negative about blindly following clergymen/scholars (73, 931, 3367), while sects say you need to follow their interpretation.
- The Quran says it contains an explanation of all things (12111, 1689, 1854), while sects claim it doesn't.
- The Quran says we shouldn't divide into groups and differ after the signs came to us (3103, 3105, 3032, 6159), while the majority of 'muslims' today say you need to follow one of the four sunni madhhabs in order to be guided (each with it's own set of harams and halals, contradicting 16116).
- The Quran says we should only call on God in the places of worship (721 and a prayer should be directed to God alone (1314), while all sects also call upon others in their own fabricated prayers (like tashahhud and tawassul, calling upon the prophet and/or his family).
- The Quran says all intercession belongs to God alone (3944) and that not even the prophet can save us (3919, 7221-22), while all sects believe the prophet (or sometimes other saints included) will intercede for us in the Hereafter.
This proves to me (among many other things) that the Message (Quran) is being guarded, while the teachings of men are quickly distorted and corrupted. The Quran is a true Criterion, exposing all false beliefs. Praise God.
Peace be with you.
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You are on to something really BIG! the sudden light blinds me!
Indeed.
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Why would you even ask if God NEEDS anything?
Of course HE doesn't!
To even question such a thing, is the reason why I keep trying to encourage you to read Quran before doing what you are doing.... Borderline insinuating blaspheme and showing all how little you know about Quran. Repeatedly we are told God is Free of Need.. Please go finish The Book brotherWE are the ones who NEED Him, for everything and the worship/servitude of Allah only benefits us....cmon man pick up the Book
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Why would you even ask if God NEEDS anything?
Of course HE doesn't!
To even question such a thing, is the reason why I keep trying to encourage you to read Quran before doing what you are doing.... Borderline insinuating blaspheme and showing all how little you know about Quran. Repeatedly we are told God is Free of Need.. Please go finish The Book brotherWE are the ones who NEED Him, for everything and the worship/servitude of Allah only benefits us....cmon man pick up the Book
Very true brother.
And yet everyone wants shortcuts, whether shortcuts are to be taken or not, and whether the explanation falls short or not, clear understanding will only come when it comes...and that is the danger of asking for something that we know so little of. But the right understanding will lead to the reasons why we humans must forgo the bad and do good and live happily with each other instead of killing one another. We have differences but treat it as flora and fauna of creation.
I'm not authorised to give spiritual explanation but I can say this, god gave his spirit to all of us, why don't we appreciate that and start doing good to one another and stop the current problems that are making the world a hell to live in. We have within us the power to do so but first we must stop creating other gods that we end up worshiping and serving. These gods that we create are truly our own creation and these are money, position, power, religion, children, family etc. What happened to those we put up as our leaders? Most of the time they become corrupt and enslave us to do their bidding. What about corporations that we work for? Aren't the corporates becoming gods - so many are dependent on the corporates and are enslaved to them. And what about governments - so many are corrupt and failed to protect the people they serve. What about laws? are laws designed to protect the powerful rather than the weak? Amend those laws! Is there a law where the people can stop the government from war? Can the US citizens put a stop to war if the president calls for it??? Just simple truths - individually these truths are nothing - that is why the human race needs to be united for all of us and of course the individual. Where is the strength in numbers? Everyone has a god given spirit - The All Powerful God does not need us - we need to help/develop/unite ourselves - we need to throw away all other false gods - we need to help one another work together to achieve what God intend for us to achieve - and of course achievements have many grades - what count is you continue to live when you die.
We can change governments, laws, systems - nothing is impossible as long as you believe and act in the spirit that is given to you. If you believe the Quran provides a wonderful example of a system that can be, then practice in accordance to the Quran, don't be afraid to change because we have been given the power to do so.
When will god's system prevail over others? When will the majority of people follow god's system?
Today, tomorrow is a good day to begin. Until that time when all is well and god's system has prevailed and the world in lullaby will then the Big end comes.Do we need to be religious to follow god's system? I don't think so because god did not ask any of us to sit in mosque whole day long worshiping. What you do in the name of religion or specifically the act of worship to god is between you and god- not anyone else' business.
Peace.
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When will the majority of people follow god's system?
Never, and eventually they will face annihilation. That will be Dooms Day, the day foretold by many ancient civilizations before us.
There will never be a majority following the system because the challenge is that hard and it takes very witted people and also a big effort, and it is easy to be deluded and corrupted by the world.
Be well
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Never, and eventually they will face annihilation. That will be Dooms Day, the day foretold by many ancient civilizations before us.
There will never be a majority following the system because the challenge is that hard and it takes very witted people and also a big effort, and it is easy to be deluded and corrupted by the world.
Be well
AmenuelI tot u were gonna make a revelation/further insights to HanSolo's comments?
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Hello,
Peace
Do we need to worship God?
No.
If God says that he gave Adam of his Spirit. Than doesn't it mean that We too have a share of Gods Spirit?
Yes.
So do we worship each other? Our selves?
Yes. Worship is too a sort of idolization because you materialize "God". It also feeds the hierarchical instinct of the primate species of Homo sapiens.
And how do we know that the Quran in its entirety was never changed?
It is basically the same Quran manuscript that was originally made written except for minor deviations and those were discovered at Sana'a. The error lies in the interpretation of the scripture itself. The common interpretation is imaginative to say the least.
What if the verse that says that God will preserve the book in its entirity was added, by humans?
Probably an interpretation error. If Kateb is used it does not refer to a book but record or even knowledge, so "God" does preserve the same kind of lore through all times and it will not change.
To not let anyone question its truthfulness?
Everyone is allowed to question anything, but we must be as sharp and witted as we possibly can. But the clerics may have had the intention in your question.
So later some humans could add verses or delete some verses out of the book?
The scribes mainly altered words in Quran which might make it more difficult to decipher it properly except to the interpretation the scribes intended to fabricate. They added confusing diacritical markers too which are not native with the original manuscript.
Be well
Amenuel -
I and many more who have decided not to bother replying to your questions and comments here completely disagree with what you are insinuating regarding Allah! We do not have God's spirit within us. Do you say about Allah what you do not know people?
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We are given very little knowledge of Ruh 1785
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The Ruh is not a spirit but The Command of Allah like when He intends a matter He only says to it "Be" and it is. Praise be to the Most High above what you associate with Him! 1785
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Of course you need to worship Allah, do you guys read Quran at all? What do you think, when you recite the first Surah? 15
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Don't you know that those who are to proud to worship Allah will enter Hell? 4060
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actually we dnt need to serve God... its god who is serving us... in the logic of some intelligent homo saphiens..
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608850.msg395597#msg395597
here is already a discussion about serving /worshiping/submitting God..
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actually we dnt need to serve God... its god who is serving us... in the logic of some intelligent homo saphiens..
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608850.msg395597#msg395597
here is already a discussion about serving /worshiping/submitting God..
If you think about it, "God" does serve everyone in this world. Letting the sun shine upon the cultivation, letting rain fall upon it, and that even if the farmer is an ignorant sinner. Even it is a service to have created us seedlings. Wisest to make the best out of it.
But according to you mankind has nothing to do to serve because we are just useless pets with no produce. Talk about who is serving who. Like a useless son who has deviant ideas.
Be well
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yeh mr insightful . you are right everything you say you are right... becoz you are prophet... but still waiting for the proof , untill then get agree with you on something against the quran means = negetive...
i hope you will able to perform some miracles so that we can beleive on you and your words...
prophethood= miracles= alternative scripture errorless.. anything if you can provide and you can ask help from God... lets see where the wind will blow...
without all this your wording are same like flowers without fragnrance..
and please i also want the reply of this specially bold part if you have any logical response
