Gog & Magog: Fission & Fusion
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The only way to hold them is to build barrier or wall... thus they can't easily raid any of sedentary village or cities.
The chinese emperor build the Chinese Great Wall, Persian built the Gorgan Wall, the Roman built "Germanic Lines" to hold off the nomadic Germanicus tribes.
https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limes_GermanicusAs we speak, all of those fortifications has been long gone / broken..
The last to fall was the Chinese great wall, broken off around 800 years ago...
Which also recorded as the greatest invasion within human history.. reaching out to Europe and Middle East.
Causing 40% reduction of the total human population at that time.If you read what I wrote you could find that I stated that Gog and Magog came with Persian army, but they weren't Persians probably.
We should know that there were two great walls built against two nations in the human history one was Hadrian's wall in Brittain and the other one was Chinese wall. Where from are Turks? Why England and Turks were the only two nations which conquered Cyprus after Alexander the Great? Which nations needed walls against them? Do we need false science to explain obvious?"Chelyabinsk meteor" didn't hit the Earth, I haven't saw it in any video recording. But, something as that could be a punish to Lot's people. If we need these informations we'll get them, with Allah's 'izn.
Allah's bless and salam.
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If you read what I wrote you could find that I stated that Gog and Magog came with Persian army, but they weren't Persians probably.
Gog and Magog was used referring to people of 'northern area' based on Ezekiel..
Assuming Ezekiel was living around 500-1000 BC.
Here's the "entire world" according to his view..
https//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a0/Noahsworld_map_Version2.pngWe should know that there were two great walls built against two nations in the human history one was Hadrian's wall in Brittain and the other one was Chinese wall.
The Roman's Hadrian wall in Britain is small if compared to Chinese Wall (10,000 KM) or Roman's Wall encircling Germania (570 KM) or Persian's wall of Gorgan (200 KM).
Yet they all share the same functionality and purposes..
To hold off nomadic tribes from the NORTH.Where from are Turks? Why England and Turks were the only two nations which conquered Cyprus after Alexander the Great? Which nations needed walls against them? Do we need false science to explain obvious?
The sedentary people under Cyrus dominion faced an imminent threat of raiding from the nomadic people from the north. That's why they built the Gorgan fortification. Under what name they call the nomadic people, nobody knows exactly, perhaps Scythian or Huns.. yet all of those nomadic tribes share similar characteristic.. nomadic, good with horses, doesn't have a unified leader and regularly perform raid to take away people's grain, cattle and women...
Turkmen were from central asia, originally nomadic tribe, a distant cousin of the Mongols.
They become sedentary during the Caliphate of Baghdad era, instead of fighting them off.. the caliphate decided to convert them to their religion and make servants out of them. As time progress.. they eventually rebelled to their master and formed an empire which become a prominent rival to the Caliphate and one of the major reason of the Caliphate's destruction.When the Mongols came to invade the middle east, the Khwarazm (yet another turkic family sultanate) was devastated and turned into a vassal state of Mongols. From that point onward they become a major ally to the Mongols, and joined them on their quest for world domination to middle east and europe.
The later Ottoman's dynasty was built based on that foundation.. taking advantage of the fracturing Mongolian empire..
Just like the modern Turkey was built from the ruin of Ottoman..The Chinese decided to built 10,000 KM of wall against the nomadic northern tribe (which later on be known as Mongols), which proved to be useless and cannot sustain Genghis Khan invasion..
The invasion of "nomadic tribe of the north" (on multiple waves) caused 40% reduction of human population during that time..
Thus it's either Gog & Magog is referring to "Nomadic People Of The North".
Or such BIG calamity in human history was not being prophesied in the holy books..."Chelyabinsk meteor" didn't hit the Earth, I haven't saw it in any video recording. But, something as that could be a punish to Lot's people. If we need these informations we'll get them, with Allah's 'izn.
By didn't hit earth you mean didn't hit the ground?
If that's the case, then you're right... the meteor explode around 20 KM above ground..
Yet so does Hiroshima nuclear bomb.. the bomb explode around 500 meters above the city.. -
The map you showned was the map I wanted to use as a proof for something, but since I thought that people can think I make jokes on them I didn't do that.
Anyways, many of the "language of Arabs", narrations (hadiths), even beliefs Muslims have are from Jews. These beliefs (language and hadiths also) have no connection with the Qur'an, in most cases they're against the Qur'an. What Qur'an is saying for the Jews is that they were eating unlawful (which is fisq, very important to know) and they were listening lies of mushriqoon. Ones who became fasiqoon were telling these lies to others or made their own lies (became kadhiboon in either case). We were told, besides all things I told, that we should check when some info comes to use from fasiqoon. Over all of this stands that the Jews will be/are our biggest enemies of all the people with mushriqoon.
If we read tafsirs we'll find that all of them (I know) are telling that Gog and Magog were near Caspian Sea. But, the main question is is it from tafsir al-Qur'an? Where it's stated in the Qur'an?
If you search for more maps you'll find that some places in northern Asia Minor (Turkey today) were called Gog and Magog.What we know for sure from "Jewish scripts" is that Gog and Magog were "northern from Jerusalem", and this is where north is mentioned. I won't discuss "north", but this word can't be from God. Anyways, many people thought that it was Russia and that area around Causasia and Black Sea. But, it's not "north from Jerusalem". North from Jerusalem is Asia Minor and north from Jerusalem is an island Kittim or Cyprus. I'll try to write about Phoenicians too, soon, in sha Allah, which is relate with this story.
In short, this map you shown is falsehood about Gog and Magog, because people was looking for unknown areas to them on "north from Jerusalem" and they marked it, without any knowledge. Please check the maps and you can see that it's not north from Jerusalem and you'll see what it is.
I tried to tell youa short version of what I got from the knowledge about the ayats with Dhulqarnayn, but unless you get this blessed gift yourselves you won't understand. As, probably, you have the knowledge about some other ayats I have no idea about. This is why we should talk, to remove all falsehood we accepted with Allah's swt Help and to think about His Words only.
It's very hard for us to "measure" history accounts, even if some event was told by many of historians. Anyways, if we understand something from the Qur'an and THEN we find some history account about it we should accept it, otherwise we should discard it as unimportant or false. People are mostly doing opposite they find some informations and then they're trying to find it in the Qur'an, which is totally wrong.
Yes, I thought about hitting the ground when I mentioned meteor. Maybe you should think what "nuclear" means when used with "bomb"... as I told in case of Ukraine the life wouldn't be possible if there was something we saw on TV or read somewhere which is called "nuclear bomb", not just in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, nowhere in Japan and nearby countries.
Allah's bless and salam.
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@ jaffar ..
brother your map open my eyes... according to your map earth is flat...
i think this map was before the discovery of america , and the series link of invasion also carried on to the tribes of south america where thousands of people get killed due to Gold , the european people robbed plantey of gold as soon they discover new world.. lol.. i still wonder why they were not afraid to fell off from the edge of world...
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=osVtNd5BMnQ
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@ jaffar ..
brother your map open my eyes... according to your map earth is flat...
i think this map was before the discovery of america , and the series link of invasion also carried on to the tribes of south america where thousands of people get killed due to Gold , the european people robbed plantey of gold as soon they discover new world.. lol.. i still wonder why they were not afraid to fell off from the edge of world...
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=osVtNd5BMnQ
The earth is round.
In An English translation of Isaiah 40 22 It is He who sits above the circle of the earth,
And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers,
Who ustretches out the heavens like a curtain,
And spreads them out like a vtent to dwell in. -
The earth is round.
In An English translation of Isaiah 40 22 It is He who sits above the circle of the earth,
And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers,
Who ustretches out the heavens like a curtain,
And spreads them out like a vtent to dwell in.no brother,, forget about bible and quran...
the space science is a big hoax of the century,,
all nasa is being running by magicinas...
all space agenices , all pilots, all sattellites are a part of big consprisy..to make people beleive earth is round...
look at the map which just jaffar show... still dnt beleive then.. you are also illuminati...
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yeh a flat disc... like cd not like football...
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And all the internet we use, all those terms as "The Cloud" are deceptive.
Because in reality the whole internet is under the sea.http//theconversation.com/in-our-wi-fi-world-the-internet-still-depends-on-undersea-cables-49936
Than ask yourselves, why in the world we have supposedly over 10.000 satellites over there?
Why don't we see them as black dots when we look at the moon, with our telescopes?
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It's very hard for us to "measure" history accounts, even if some event was told by many of historians. Anyways, if we understand something from the Qur'an and THEN we find some history account about it we should accept it, otherwise we should discard it as unimportant or false. People are mostly doing opposite they find some informations and then they're trying to find it in the Qur'an, which is totally wrong.
- The multitude waves of invasion coming from nomadic people from the north towards sedentary settlement is real. It shaped the world as we know today.
- The conflict of 'culture / tradition' between sedentary and nomadic is real.
- The construction of walls / fortifications by sedentary people to ward off invasion from the nomadic people from the north is real, you can go to China and see the remains of one of the fortification which once stood at 10,000 KM length. 10,000 KM that's twice the distance from New York to Seattle. The sedentary people will not built such humongous structure if the threat from the north weren't dire.
- The last invasion from the nomadic people of the north happened around 800 years ago is real, so devastating that it reduce the human population to 60%, the nomads broke the wall and went berserk killing, raping and looting. If it happens today, then it was causing ~3 Billion casualties. If it wasn't an event that worth 'prophesying' then what's the use of prophecy...
- The last invasion shaped the world and the population gene pool as we know today. Basically the "Gog and Magog" has became "us" now.. we are the descendant of "Gog and Magog" a once nomadic and barbaric people from the north, especially for those who are living or has ancestry to people in Asia and Europe.
@ jaffar ..
brother your map open my eyes... according to your map earth is flat...
i think this map was before the discovery of america , and the series link of invasion also carried on to the tribes of south america where thousands of people get killed due to Gold , the european people robbed plantey of gold as soon they discover new world.. lol.. i still wonder why they were not afraid to fell off from the edge of world...
According to everyone living at the time of Ezekiel, the earth is flat...
America has been discovered by human during that time... although Europeans + Middle Easterner has no knowledge of it's existence.South America were invaded by Spaniard and Portuguese...
Let's move back the history.. the Spaniard, Portuguese were once a Visigoth people, yet another name for a group of nomadic people migrating from Central Asia..Visigoth Migration Map
https//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b1/Visigoth_migrations.jpghttps//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visigoths
"Gog and Magog descendant" has spread and invaded far and wide and definitely has become 'us'..
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I just remembered "Yet another Nomadic people from the North" (labeled as Gog and Magog people by Ezekiel) who only recently (20th century) invaded south and become a new master / landlord in the middle east region. Just yet another stock / wave of Turkic / Gothic / Hunnic / Mongoloid nomad. Unlike the Turk and Western Mongols who converted to Islam or Eastern Mongols who converted to Buddhism / Taoism or the Huns and Goth who converted to Christianity, this group converted to Judaism and becoming the precursor of something that later on known as "Ashkenazi Jews"..
https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars
https//www.darkmoon.me/uploads/khazaria1.gif
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It's very hard for converts to Judaism and to be accepted by the Jews, if it's even possible. What happaned with Khazars was very strange. Jews accepted them as their "13th tribe", even they had no knowledge about Judaism and after Jewish rabbis tried to teach them. If you read about "African Jews" who're now living in Israel and other Jewish communities, you'll see how they treat them.
As I told from some knowledge I got about ayats with Dhulqarnayn, Gog and Magog came to Cyprus with Persian army. They weren't Persians probably, but they could be Khazars. Persians and Khazars are in good relations nowadays also, maybe more then ever. What is very possible is that many of "savage people" who came from Asia are from Khazars (as Turks). This is what we can understand from the history accounts. There's a book called "13th tribe" in which was stated that Brits are from Khazars also. I don't believe much in books, because most of them are theories, but, as I told, if we look at what happened with Cyprus we'll find that fesad on Cyprus continued till today by two nations Britain and Turkey.
I haven't told this, but I'll share it with you now. I was reading/listening scholars from all Muslim "mezheb" and, before I rejected all of them, I've found that most near to the truth are shi'a scholars. Many of them (maybe all) are trying to find one single ayat about imam Mehdi a.s. in the Qur'an, but none of them done this, as I know. They'll tell zillion of narrations about him, but they can't find him in the Qur'an. They'll try to tell that some ayat is about him, but you won't accept what they're saying, unless you accepted narrations.
What they don't know is that Dhulqarnayn is imam Mehdi a.s. they're waiting. Since they can't recognize him now, they won't recognize him when he comes either. Dhulqarnayn is not somebody's real name, nor it's a nickname. They're two, from two ages one was Alexander the Great and the other one will be imam Mehdi a.s. Their main goals are same to beat Gog and Magog and to defeat Persia, but we'll have to know that 2nd Dhulqarnayn will do other tasks also, as going to what we know "west" and punishing those who're doing dhulm. So, if you live on the west wait for the biggest army ever to conquer your lands and to judge (h-k-m) over your deeds. This is importance of these ayats, it's not about some ancient nuclear reactors, nor about terraforming, nor anything mystical.
I don't expect you to believe in my words, just think about these ayats yourselves and reject all the stories, especially from the Jews. Don't forget that it was narrated that Arab mushrikoon went to Jethrib (Medina) and Jews (what they were doing there?) told to them to ask Muhammed Mustafa sawa 3 questions and if he answers to follow him; they didn't say we should all follow him, because it's what almost all of them are.
Allah's bless and selam.
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For those who are "Still looking for Gog & Magog" (and it's descendant)..
Look no further.. just look in the mirror upon yourselves..Unless you're a native sub saharan african or south east asians or polynesians / oceania aborigines / pacific islander.. then definitely you have a 'magogs' among your ancestor..
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Salam/Peace,
I have been re-reading the topic of "Gog & Magog" which occurs in Sura 1893-99 & 2196 and have come to a different conclusion than previously held (my previous conclusion was that Gog & Magog are either two rivers of water or lava which were causing havoc to a specific people.
My current understanding is that God & Magog are the nuclear reactions of fission & fusion, which I hope to explain by running through the verses of the story of Zul Qarnain
1892 Then he followed the means.
1893 Until he reached an area that was between the two barriers, he found within it a people who could barely understand anything said.The first interaction Zul Qarnain has with Gog & Magog is when he comes across a people who have barricaded themselves within two walls. The description the Quran gives us is that these people "could barely understand anything said" (1892). At first glance this suggests that there is a language problem, however, these people are able to communicate with Zul Qarnain and speak of engineering matters (1894), which implies that they have an actual defect that was noticeable to Zul Qarnain that affected their brain functions.
1894 They said "O Two Horned One, Gog and Magog are corrupters of the land, so shall we make a tribute for you that you will make between us and them a barrier?"
1895 He said "What my Lord has given me is far better. So help me with strength and I will make between you and them a landfill."The communication with these people indicates that they are having a problem with "yajooj & majooj" which are causing "decay/fasad". They do not ask Zul Qarnain to kill them (assuming they were people) which is a possibility as Zul Qarnain has an army at his disposal and did not hesitate to kill people who were doing wrong 1886-87, however they ask for him to build them another "wall".
The answer of Zul Qarnain is interesting in that he refuses their suggestion to build a "wall" and tells them what they need is a "landfill/radma".
1896 "Bring me dense metal," until he leveled between the two sides. He said "Blow," until he made it into fire. He said "Bring me tar so I can pour it over."
The landfill is made using "zubr alhadeed" which is "hard/dense metal" and is then covered with tar. Now, unless Gog & Magog were all gathered and put into a pit, this is clearly not talking about people...
1897 So they could not penetrate it, and they could not advance in it.
1898 He said "This is a mercy from my Lord. But when the promise of my Lord comes, He will make it rubble. And the promise of my Lord is truth."
1899 And We left them until that day to surge like waves on one another. And the horn was blown, so We gathered them together.Gog & Magog were contained using a dense metal and structure that stopped them penetrating and reaching out. A seal that will remain until the promised time when they will be unleashed again. They particles/molecules continue to react with one another which indicates a shelf life of thousands of years...
In conclusion A nuclear reactor/core was exposed, causing deformations and radiation sickness to the surrounding people who were also engineers. The people did not know how to contain the radiation until Zul Qarnain came along and buried the nuclear material using lead lining.
However, the secret of nuclear power will return as part of God's prophecy that God & Magog emerge again.
2196 Until Gog and Magog is opened, and from every angle they will come forth.
There is also a link that the Jews will be behind this emergence of the nuclear reaction as Sura 174 predicts they will cause "fasad/decay" twice on earth (fasad is the same word used for Gog & Magog)
Food for thought...
Gog and Magog are also mentioned in the previous Scriptures from God. I highly recommend you to start reading in the Bible.
An English translation of Ezekiel 382 ?Son of man, set your face against Gog, of the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshek and Tubal; prophesy against him
An English translation of Revelation 208 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth?Gog and Magog?and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore.