Haroot o Maroot
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Salaam NK,
I wasn't sure where I should write on this topic so I'll respond to your question. The ayat referring to Harut and Marut appears to be set in the geographic location of "Babil" which is Babylon in current day Iraq. Historically, some of the Jews were taken as captives to Babylon when the kingdom of Judah was taken over by the Babylonians.
https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylonian_captivity
There in Babylon they learnt about Zoroastrianism.
http//www.webpages.uidaho.edu/ngier/309/zorojud.htm
In Zoroastrianism there are the purity laws which the Jews follow 'til today.
http//www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/15283-zoroastrianism
Interestingly, two of the archangels in Zoroastrianism are referred to as "Haurvatat" and "Ameretat", one is the guardian of waters and the other is the guardian of plants. They are always paired and are female in gender.
"Here waters and plants are paired with Haurvatat and Ameretat, and may be early evidence of the nature-connections of the Amesha Spentas. In the later texts of the Avesta, this is explicit, and in the Yasna, the great liturgical text of Zoroastrian ritual, Haurvatat and Ameretat are repeatedly honored one as the divine guardian of the water and other liquids used in the libations of the ritual, the other as the guardian of the plant materials used in the ritual such as wood for the Fire, and the plants, fruits, and flour that make up the foods consecrated at Zoroastrian ceremonies."
http//www.pyracantha.com/Z/haurvata.html
The Babylonian Talmud was written by the Jewish rabbis of that time and it consists of the purity laws that they learnt from the Babylonians.
http//www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/talmud-history/
One can see that these purity laws are very strict and extremely difficult for the women of that time. They were kept in strict isolation and were practically untouchable. This is what ayat 2102 refers to as the means of sowing discord between husband and wife.
http//www.come-and-hear.com/editor/america_3.html
http//www.iranicaonline.org/articles/cleansing-i
http//www.hinduwebsite.com/zoroastrianism/gender.asp
http//science.jrank.org/pages/11546/Untouchability-Menstrual-Taboos-Menstruation-Civilization.html
http//www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/Religions/non-iranian/Judaism/Persian_Judaism/book2/pt5.htm
Hope this helps.
Regards,
Janet. -
Thanks for excellent information, Janet. I wish you could send a copy of your post to me privately. It is absolutely interesting that you can trace the so-called Abrahamic faiths to Bebelun.
Be well
Amenuel -
Never mind. I copied the text of your post to save it.
Be well
Amenuel -
You are welcome. I will likely be much less active on the forum from now on though since I have got into trouble with the administration.
Be well
Amenuel -
Salaam NK,
I wasn't sure where I should write on this topic so I'll respond to your question. The ayat referring to Harut and Marut appears to be set in the geographic location of "Babil" which is Babylon in current day Iraq. Historically, some of the Jews were taken as captives to Babylon when the kingdom of Judah was taken over by the Babylonians.
https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylonian_captivity
There in Babylon they learnt about Zoroastrianism.
http//www.webpages.uidaho.edu/ngier/309/zorojud.htm
In Zoroastrianism there are the purity laws which the Jews follow 'til today.
http//www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/15283-zoroastrianism
Interestingly, two of the archangels in Zoroastrianism are referred to as "Haurvatat" and "Ameretat", one is the guardian of waters and the other is the guardian of plants. They are always paired and are female in gender.
Interesting...
Allow me to do a bit of minor correction of historical fact..
The jews were under Chaldean kingdom of Babylon and were transfered to the city to work as servants / slave..
https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Babylonian_EmpireThis is a revisit to Abraham original cultural environment, where once again they meet "Marduk", the chief deity of Abraham's society.. the idol which Abraham left 'intact' when he destroyed the others...
https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MardukThey were then freed by Cyrus of Persia as he invaded Babylon and beat out the Chaldean dynasty..
https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrus_the_Great_in_the_BibleWhich earn Cyrus the title of "Mossiach" (The Chosen One) by the Jews... and gave new meaning to the word of "Mossiach" as "Saviour".... in his case, saviour of the jews from the chaldean captivity..
Cyrus was a secular ruler, he never enforced people which he conquered to follow the tradition / religion of his own (Zoroastrianism) or worship his deity (Ahura Mazda). As described above, Cyrus freed the jews and even gave resources and help for them to rebuild their temple to YHVH in Jerusalem.
A fact which was supported by both the Jewish Tanakh and also a Persian cylinder..
From Babylon to A??ur and (from) Susa, Agade, E?nunna, Zamban, Me-Turnu, Der, as far as the region of Gutium, the sacred centers on the other side of the Tigris, whose sanctuaries had been abandoned for a long time, I returned the images of the gods, who had resided there, to their places and I let them dwell in eternal abodes. I gathered all their inhabitants and returned to them their dwellings. In addition, at the command of Marduk, the great lord, I settled in their habitations, in pleasing abodes, the gods of Sumer and Akkad, whom Nabonidus, to the anger of the lord of the gods, had brought into Babylon.
-- Cyrus Cylinder (lines 30-33)Unlike the 'fanatical' Jews or Chaldean... Cyrus praised the deities of the people he conquered, in the above it's shown he even praised Babylonian/Chaldean/Sumerian deity of 'Marduk" and said his action is at the command of "Marduk"..
It was during this time that the relationship between Israelite culture and Zoroastrianism flourished..
The temple to YHVH in Jerusalem was rebuilt with help from Persian architects and engineers, as ordered by Cyrus..And thus the entrance of influence of Zoroastrianism to Judaism (and later on Christianity and Islam), and including the influence of the tales/legend of "Harut and Marut" (Haurvatat and Ameratat)
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My understanding is that the Word 'Magic' when used in Quran is not in the sense of black magic or Voodoo. It is in the sense of something which mesmerizes the people and captures their utmost interest. The verse 2102 is mostly interpreted as a page out of One thousand and one night story book and is difficult to relate to our lives. The word 'Magic' in Quran and this Ayat 2102 is reviewed in below link
https//topicsfromquran.com/2018/07/21/harut-marut-and-magic-in-quran/