Homosexuality LGBTQI and the deen

Bender

hmm so here is the master piece of dignity by you... pathetic on its height .. ignore

Yes, and every time I see you insult women again (in your case a much older woman) I will loose my dignity and tell you how pathetic it is.

Man_of_Faith

People acting like schoolchildren...

Bender

yes you understand now... male human and female human
as well as male animals with female animals produce offsprings..

atleast animals are more inline with nature compared to humans .. they know that lion dnt have to rape with tree, rotfl the lioness is there for lion and a lion dnt have to sex with lion rotfl

RED

thats what the quality of this game .. losing king have 21 moves when he left alone ... lets have some more moves ... even king is already cornered plantey of times but some kings like to get checkmate again and again.. jedi

(27551)
a-innakum
Why do you
(27552)
latatna
approach
(27553)
l-rijla
the men
(27554)
shahwatan
(with) lust
(27555)
min
instead of
(27556)
dni
instead of
(27557)
l-nisi
the women?

Indeed, you are an ignorant people. (27/55)

you always welcome to bring your faulty interpreatation for this if you have any objection with this move...

rijaal does not mean men but foot.

evidence

(22276)
rijlan
(on) foot

(22393)
farijlan
then (pray) on foot

(3141)
zuyyina
Beautified

(3142)
lilnnsi
for mankind (thus also females)

(3143)
ubbu
(is) love

(3144)
l-shahawti
(of) the (things they) desire -

(3145)
mina
of

(3146)
l-nisi
women

Thus all women are by nature lesbians. This can be further proved by 2187
2187 It has been made permissible for you (males and females) the night preceding fasting to go to your wives .

Wakas

Bender, your translation and attempted evidence is poor. Here is a good place to start

Ra-Jiim-Lam = to go on foot, urge with foot, walk, tie by the feet, let (a female) suckle her young, be curly (hair), set free with his mother. rajjala - to comfort anyone, comb the hair, grant a respite. tarajjala - to go down without rope. rijlatun - vigour in walking. rijlun - foot, soldiers, good walker, tramp. arajil - hunters, pedestrian. rajulun - male human being, man, a person with heir. rajilun - foot, footmen (slow walkers). rijlain - two feet. arjul (pl.) - feet.

rajil n.m. (pl. rijal) 2239, 1764, 2227

rajul n.m. (pl. rijal) 2228, 2282, 2282, 2282, 41, 47, 412, 432, 434, 475, 498, 4176, 523, 69, 746, 748, 763, 769, 781, 7155, 9108, 102, 1178, 12109, 1643, 1676, 1747, 1832, 1837, 217, 2325, 2338, 2431, 2437, 258, 2755, 2815, 2820, 2929, 334, 3323, 3340, 347, 3443, 3620, 3862, 3929, 3929, 3929, 4028, 4028, 4331, 4825, 726, 726

rijl n.f. (pl. arjul) 56, 533, 566, 665, 7124, 7195, 2071, 2424, 2431, 2445, 2649, 2955, 3665, 3842, 6012

LL, V3, p 209, 210, 211, 212, 213 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=rjl

Aladin_from_Azra_tribe

So, Bender, rijal in 726 is feet of humans and feet of jinn?

Rejul is induvidual, and rijal is individuals.

And the story of Lut's a.s. people is only about males from his people, marked as "qawm" and "brothers of Lut".
But to understand more about this people should think why Lut's wife was punished.

Cursed are those who're following deen of homosexuals and those who wanna do sin with angels.

Bender

Bender, your translation and attempted evidence is poor.

I think you missed my point.
If he (imran) uses corpus quran to make a claim then I am also allowed to use the same source to make a claim.

Here is a good place to start
Ra-Jiim-Lam = to go on foot, urge with foot, walk, tie by the feet, let (a female) suckle her young, be curly (hair), set free with his mother. rajjala - to comfort anyone, comb the hair, grant a respite. tarajjala - to go down without rope. rijlatun - vigour in walking. rijlun - foot, soldiers, good walker, tramp. arajil - hunters, pedestrian. rajulun - male human being, man, a person with heir. rajilun - foot, footmen (slow walkers). rijlain - two feet. arjul (pl.) - feet.

rajil n.m. (pl. rijal) 2239, 1764, 2227

rajul n.m. (pl. rijal) 2228, 2282, 2282, 2282, 41, 47, 412, 432, 434, 475, 498, 4176, 523, 69, 746, 748, 763, 769, 781, 7155, 9108, 102, 1178, 12109, 1643, 1676, 1747, 1832, 1837, 217, 2325, 2338, 2431, 2437, 258, 2755, 2815, 2820, 2929, 334, 3323, 3340, 347, 3443, 3620, 3862, 3929, 3929, 3929, 4028, 4028, 4331, 4825, 726, 726

rijl n.f. (pl. arjul) 56, 533, 566, 665, 7124, 7195, 2071, 2424, 2431, 2445, 2649, 2955, 3665, 3842, 6012

LL, V3, p 209, 210, 211, 212, 213 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=rjl

I don't see why this source is better than corpus quran.

Anyway, I know that a lot of people here use
1 quranic word (root) ==> n interpretations/translations/understandings/concepts/etc (n >= 1)
I totally don't agree with this approach, with this approach I can make every word fit what I want it to be.
I can make rijaal="berber people" in verses where I think it will benefit me, and I can make rijaal="not berber people" where I see some disadvantage for me.
For me 1 quranic word/root ==> 1 interpretation/concept
I don't see any link between "to go on foot" and " let (a female) suckle her young" or "man" etc
But of course everyone is free to study the quran how he/she think it will benefit him/her most.

Bender

So, Bender, rijal in 726 is feet of humans and feet of jinn?

No, ofcourse rijaal does not mean foot nor does it mean males/men

Cursed are those who're following deen of homosexuals and those who wanna do sin with angels.

RED what does deen of homosexuals mean?
BLUE I was not planning to do sin with angels, but in case one day when I am to drunk and want to do sin with angels, then how exactly am I going to achieve that?

Wakas

Bender,

For me 1 quranic word/root ==> 1 interpretation/concept

Perhaps you can clarify further. Which of the below

Are you claiming that an Arabic word should have the same meaning in every Quran occurrence?
Are you claiming that an Arabic word should have the same theme/concept (but perhaps slightly different shade of meaning depending on context) in every Quran occurrence?
Are you claiming that every derived word(s) from a root should have the same meaning in every Quran occurrence?
Are you claiming that every derived word(s) from a root should have the same theme/concept (but perhaps slightly different shade of meaning depending on context) in every Quran occurrence?
(1) or (2) or (3) or (4) and every root/word has its own distinct meaning
something else, if so please clarify.

Depending on your answer, it may be possible to test your theory.

Bender

Bender,
Perhaps you can clarify further. Which of the below

Are you claiming that an Arabic word should have the same meaning in every Quran occurrence?
Are you claiming that an Arabic word should have the same theme/concept (but perhaps slightly different shade of meaning depending on context) in every Quran occurrence?
Are you claiming that every derived word(s) from a root should have the same meaning in every Quran occurrence?
Are you claiming that every derived word(s) from a root should have the same theme/concept (but perhaps slightly different shade of meaning depending on context) in every Quran occurrence?
(1) or (2) or (3) or (4) and every root/word has its own distinct meaning
something else, if so please clarify.

Depending on your answer, it may be possible to test your theory.

Well I'm not claiming anything, just sharing how I study the quran.

For me it's like this
1 root has exactly 1 concept/theme, every derived word from that root has a strong correlation with the rootconcept/theme.
2 identical derived words have identical meanings but withing the concept/theme of the root.
2 (slightly) different derived words have 2 (slightly) different meanings but within the concept of the root.
The context has no influence on the meaning of the word.

Man_of_Faith

On this I agree with Bender.

Be well
Amenuel

huruf

Arabic I see it as german a word has a seminal meaning, wchih can be actualised in mny contexts. That meaning is always the same.

I see it in the light like the word jinn, can be anything, provided it responds to the actual meaning of the root which is covered or made unvisible by any contrption or reason or means. Anything which is subject to tht condition is a jinn. On translation there may bemani differnet words for it. From the same root janna, garden it is hidden by leaves and trees.

The root concept is the same, but it is ctualised in the context.

Salaam

Wakas

Bender,

Thanks for clarifying. I believe that gives us enough info to test your theory. It seems MofF also agrees with you, so perhaps he too will provide answers.

You may recall in the past you and mmkhan claimed (without evidence) there were no synonyms in Quran, and when I produced one simple example, both of you were stumped and could not explain any difference between the words. Reference thread.

Let's move onto your claim(s) in this thread. Please answer the following questions

what is the root concept of Daad-Ra-Ba AND the meaning of the first form verb DaRaBa
Root http//corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=Drb
what is the root concept of Ra-Alif/Hamzeh-Siin AND the meaning of the word 'raas'
Root http//corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=rAs
what is the root concept of Siin-Jiim-Dal AND the meaning of the word 'masjid'
Root http//corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=sjd
what is the root concept of Ya-Dal-Ya AND the meaning of the word 'yad'
Root http//corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=ydy

Once you provide the answers we will test them in Quran occurrences. If others have better test examples, feel free to cite them.

imrankhawaja

Yes, and every time I see you insult women again (in your case a much older woman) I will loose my dignity and tell you how pathetic it is.

well let me know where i insult any women...

imrankhawaja

rijaal does not mean men but foot.

hmm so according to your understanding...

interpretation should be like this..

why do you approach the foot(with lust) instead of women.. indeed you are ignorant people
or

why do you approach foot(footjob) instead of women , indeed you are intelligent people
tafseer by bender this verse indicates the invention of footjoob rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl

this boy is funny ... i love his interpreatation he will bring a change in free minds by his reasonings and interpreatation...

look i already know it will be faulty interpretation so i already guessed it... aww i think my prediction was correct ... yay

you always welcome to bring your faulty interpreatation for this if you have any objection with this move...

anyway everybody have a right to beleive and understand what they want... handshake

it looks like wakas also raise some points lets see where the wind will blow..

imrankhawaja

Bender,

Thanks for clarifying. I believe that gives us enough info to test your theory. It seems MofF also agrees with you, so perhaps he too will provide answers.

You may recall in the past you and mmkhan claimed (without evidence) there were no synonyms in Quran, and when I produced one simple example, both of you were stumped and could not explain any difference between the words. Reference thread.

Let's move onto your claim(s) in this thread. Please answer the following questions

what is the root concept of Daad-Ra-Ba AND the meaning of the first form verb DaRaBa
Root http//corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=Drb
what is the root concept of Ra-Alif/Hamzeh-Siin AND the meaning of the word 'raas'
Root http//corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=rAs
what is the root concept of Siin-Jiim-Dal AND the meaning of the word 'masjid'
Root http//corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=sjd
what is the root concept of Ya-Dal-Ya AND the meaning of the word 'yad'
Root http//corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=ydy

Once you provide the answers we will test them in Quran occurrences. If others have better test examples, feel free to cite them.

excellent post wakas.. indeed God blessed you with lot of knowledge and understanding of scripture..

peace
God bless you

imrankhawaja

I think you missed my point.
If he (imran) uses corpus quran to make a claim then I am also allowed to use the same source to make a claim.

i think we missed your point and you missed your homework... or you are careless enough to check the previous reference... but this time i will make sure i will take you to the tour of words... lol look word tour and world tour just one letter difference make it so big and small... hmm

26165

26165 "Are you attracted to the males of the worlds?"

incase if you have some issues with the meanings of males...

1697

1697 Whoever does good works, whether male or female, and is a believer, We will give him a good life and We will reward them their dues with the best of what they used to do.

incase if you you are looking for arabic of foot ...

1694

1694 And do not use your oaths as a means of deception between you, that a foot will slip after it has been made firm, and you will taste the evil of turning away from the path of God, and you will have a great retribution.

you always welcome again to try foot, hand, or anything with this word ( )

interestingly this word we can methphorically use for move/advancement.. same like a move in chess !

peace.. peace

Man_of_Faith

How do you make into males by the way? Clearly a sectarian idea of the past. Dhekr is obviously a word with a completely different connotation. The sentence is beyond doubt meant to say something else. does have a connotation close to the meaning of "know" and is most guaranteed related to the word dhekr used in the context.

No reason to be around here with people who cannot use their brain. I will not discuss any further. And I had already abandoned my work on explaining Quran to most part in this forum in response to accusations.

Be well
Amenuel

Man_of_Faith

And the translation of 1694 seems pretty feeble.

The thing is, the right interpretation will look so wrong because the correction of what Quran wishes to convey is so vastly different from the sectarian conjecture of medieval times. There are myriad words to check for their true meaning in every section of Quran in order to puzzle the pieces together. And if one wishes to reach the true message of this writing then they cannot associate several different meanings to Arabic words, because the language does not work this way.

And I already decided after the threats not to continue any efforts in this forum related to relaying any of my work here nor discuss it. If anyone wishes to hear any more they will need to take it with me privately or elsewhere. In this forum I mainly focus instead on bringing forth remarks on the already established common interpretation in order to reach the consciousness of some witted people. The problem is that I do not seek for people to abandon Quran and lose faith in it but lose faith in the accompanying interpretation.

Be well
Amenuel

imrankhawaja

@ MOF i m really not in a mood to talk with you becoz in last one and half year... i come across with you plantey of times and you failed in proving your claims ... i have given you enough chances in past ... in every thread you cry on one thing like a stubborn kid... which make me feel sympathy for your/your mind so did u see me replying you anywhere in last month... ? if not then

its a hint for a witty person that someone is ignoring him and his ideas...

.. and you know what that thing is... secterian interpretation is wrong & & & & &

i just replied here to let you know i m not interested in your ideas and you tell your ideas to the one who wishes to listen..

this mazakar(urdu)/zakar(arabic)(male) monas(urdu)/onsa(arabic)/ (female) thing if somebody else will ask from me i will give him reply... so better not waste my and your time...

handshake

NOTE ( wakas ask something from you) waste your time there...

Man_of_Faith

Have I? As far as I can remember I have shown you each time concerning this. If something sounds weird in your version of Arabic it is because those semantics are entirely taken out of thin air by medieval clergymen.

However I told in the recent posts that I would also let you live in your little sphere of imperfection with a primitive deity who needs to be fed to its ego big as a mountain in comparison. That is your choice.

You have never proven me wrong except in your opinion, and that you can keep together with your fellows here being followers of a neanderthal god.

Be well
Amenuel