Hello to everyone!
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Check mate? I am not playing a game with you here.
rotfl i did not say checkmate to you... or i m playing something with you...
the further posts will make it clear what was the purpose of saying check mate , it was not addressed to you but to the events that happen... before that verses...
"their desires", doesn't mean the Word of God. Because the Word of God can't be "their desires" since the desires of yours can never be equal and counted as a word of God.
yes their desire is to beleive that jesus is God = gospels = not words of God...
another desire , son of God = gospels = not words of God..list is long actually but these two are enough.. to understand what is the difference between desires and truth...
An English translation of the Quran - 547 And let the people of the Gospel judge with what God has sent down in it. And whoever does not judge with what God has sent down, then these are the wicked.
Imrankhawaja, when are you going to leave me judge with the Gospel? Or are you going to disbelieve, reject and deny this verse?
An English translation of the Quran - 543 And how can they make you their judge when they have the Torah, in which there is the judgment of God; then they turn away after that. Those are not believers.
Imrankhawaja, when are you going to accept that the Torah contains the judgement of God? Those who turn away from that, are not believers.
yeh i beleive in all of the verses... and i understand the context with verification instead of wishful thinking...
now these things are showing me you did not pay much attention while reading the verses or i dnt know what to say? ... look at them again by this view and compare with the verses what i m trying to say you.. if you are loyal with verses...
541 O messenger, do not be saddened by those who increase in disbelief from among those who said "We believe" with their mouths while their hearts did not believe. And from among those who are Jewish, there are those who listened to lies; they listened to people who never came to you; they distort the words from their context, and they say "If you are given this, then take it, but if you are given anything different, then beware!" And whoever God wants to test, then you will not possess anything for him against God. These are the ones whose hearts God did not want to cleanse; in this world they will have humiliation, and in the Hereafter they will have a great retribution.
so this verse is telling us the scripture what God given to the followers of book they disorted it....
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542 They listen to lies, and consume money illicitly. If they come to you, then you may judge between them or turn away from them; and if you turn away from them then they cannot harm you in the least; and if you judge then judge between them with justice. God loves those who are just.
so be careful while judging things... as we know they changed it...
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543 And how can they make you their judge when they have the Torah, in which there is the judgment of God; then they turn away after that. Those are not believers.
hmmm now the context is pretty clear that ... the original judgement of torah . the turn away from it.. turn away from the judgement what was meant to be in torah...
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544 We have sent down the Torah, in it is guidance and a light; the prophets who have peacefully surrendered judged with it for those who are Jews, as well as the Rabbis, and the Priests, for what they were entrusted of God's book, and they were witness over it. So do not revere the people but revere Me; and do not purchase with My signs a cheap price. Whoever does not judge with what God has sent down, then these are the ingrates.
so we beleive God send messengers and message from time to time starting from torah which was disorted but still we beleive on the fact that God send messengers and scriptures ... which was already disorted the true message now we will move too the next step...
546 We followed their teaching with Jesus the son of Mary, authenticating what was present with him of the Torah. We gave him the Injeel, in it is guidance and light, and to authenticate what is present with him of the Torah, and a guidance and lesson for the righteous.
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God now send his messennger jesus for correcting their ways which they disorted ... already...
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547 Let the people of the Injeel judge with what God has sent down in it. Whoever does not judge by what God has sent down, then these are the vile ones.
again God is saying them judge/filter torah through injeel becoz the corrupt people already changed the true teaching of God...
stage 3 final stage till date
548 We have sent down to you the book with truth, authenticating what is present of the book and superseding it. So judge between them by what God has sent down, and do not follow their desires from what has come to you of the truth. For each of you We have made laws, a structure. Had God willed, He would have made you all one nation, but He tests you with what He has given you, so advance the good deeds. To God you will return all of you, and He will inform you regarding that in which you dispute
the same thing they did with injeel and now God send down quran and advise the followers of book to judge from final revelation ... both torah and injeel... which were already disorted as per quran...
what we see there corrupters never accept jesus and plan to kill him due to wickedness ... after jesus dies the followers did same thing too make him God ... and then final revelation God send it down and also God make it sure that it will not change..
the verses 6/114 ,6/119, 4/105 ,16/89 are also there to tell you what i m already saying ... to judge/filter everything with quran and this law apply till date ... as we know there is not any revelation come after that and history is witness its not changed...
see thats how you study and understand things... and i m sure if you are true believer of God you will listen the advises ..
so tht was my final move
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Then I learned about something called "Quranism" or Quran Alone Islam. After some research and much prayer, I have decided that I can be a Muslim without the hadith. I now follow only the Quran. I am once again happy and fulfilled. I hope to learn much from this forum.
You then will also learn that you can be a muslim without the Quran.
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Hey Brandon,
I have had a similar experience as you.
Happy for you! peace ;DJust wanted to say that Quran Alone is not something started by anyone, a tradition or a sect. Following God's Words Alone is The Way of Existence!!
You might find some of the topics discussed in this site troubling or perhaps completely against your understanding but remember that men are fallible and their shortcomings should not affect your FAITH.
Put all your trust in The God and let Him Alone guide you ever-closer to the Straight Path, He teaches us in so many ways through His Signs, and with His Help we have to learn recognize His Signs
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Welcome Brandon
I was born in a family that followed Hanafi Law but from a very early age I could not find satisfaction with it. So my journey started to find the true path and I ended up learning Quranic Arabic so I could try to understand the Quran. My life has changed since then. Hope you will be able to manage your understanding without man made sources.
Salaam