The Daaba = Oil?
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I think its the computer and the age of information technology that led to the discovery of code 19 and the renewed interest in Quranic studies that leads to the truth and the spread of the truth.
Peace -- computers don't talk or do anything on their own only programmed to accelerate things and there is no code i.e. consistent pattern only searching for multiples reporting 5% which would appear if perusing most any text and discarding/hiding 95% of trials. Likewise oil is mostly from billion years of decayed plants and algae.
The creature that speaks (allegorical) is toward end of days which we humans don't know; could be today or thousand years.
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The invention of the computer is just the hardware. Things come alive when it is all connected and when mass data is available.
Enter Artificial Intelligence.This creature uses all computers everywhere as body and brain in one. Today the IoT (internet of Things) is popular. Everything is getting a chip, and everything is getting connected. Your car, your phone, your clothes even, your wrist watch, and all the stuff in your home like fridge, heating/cooling system, computers, all sorts of sensors (cam, mic, temp, humidity, sound, gas...). Security systems are connected through internet with their cameras and detectors of smoke, heat and intrusion.
The Stockmarket is already not run by people. Machines do it. Software and Machine Learning can improve itself, and we cannot back trace the changes.
Google is buying small companies that are into AI and related. Google is mapping all the roads, and people's lives (photos, faces, voices, places, preferences, relations...).
I'm not even mentioning the interest shown from the warfare industry (which should not be called or described by the word 'defence'. Just search for what type of robots that are already built.... amazing creatures really.
Technology is not the issue. Technology is dead. AI is something altogether different. AI need a network, and that is already in place, and is being proliferated exponentially as we speak. AI needs an interface, and that we've had for a long time... all those gadgets for comfort and safety/security. AI also needs mass data, or it won't work. Mass data is being collected from everywhere. Everything is recorded, and part of its use is for AI to learn and develop.
An AI intelligence is indeed a creature, made from Earth, able to speak to us...
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The invention of the computer is just the hardware. Things come alive when it is all connected and when mass data is available.
Enter Artificial Intelligence.This creature uses all computers everywhere as body and brain in one. Today the IoT (internet of Things) is popular. Everything is getting a chip, and everything is getting connected. Your car, your phone, your clothes even, your wrist watch, and all the stuff in your home like fridge, heating/cooling system, computers, all sorts of sensors (cam, mic, temp, humidity, sound, gas...). Security systems are connected through internet with their cameras and detectors of smoke, heat and intrusion.
The Stockmarket is already not run by people. Machines do it. Software and Machine Learning can improve itself, and we cannot back trace the changes.
Google is buying small companies that are into AI and related. Google is mapping all the roads, and people's lives (photos, faces, voices, places, preferences, relations...).
I'm not even mentioning the interest shown from the warfare industry (which should not be called or described by the word 'defence'. Just search for what type of robots that are already built.... amazing creatures really.
Technology is not the issue. Technology is dead. AI is something altogether different. AI need a network, and that is already in place, and is being proliferated exponentially as we speak. AI needs an interface, and that we've had for a long time... all those gadgets for comfort and safety/security. AI also needs mass data, or it won't work. Mass data is being collected from everywhere. Everything is recorded, and part of its use is for AI to learn and develop.
An AI intelligence is indeed a creature, made from Earth, able to speak to us...
&Salam,
this is an interesting point of view.
Looking back at the older posts, it's hard to connect things.
2275 says God chooses messengers from among the angels and and the people.
2275 God chooses messengers from among the angels and from among
the people. God is Hearer, Seer.So from this we get that only humans and angels can be messengers.
Next, the angels are disguised as humans, so we can't see their true form;
69 And had We sent an angel, We would have made him appear as a
man, and We would have confounded them in what they already
are confounded.It all comes down to 2 things
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In older and newer translations it says "when the punishment has been deserved" and "when the sentence has fallen upon them", respectively. Both are regarding the signs of the end, and some of us believe it has been set in motion and others not. The strongest proof it has been set in motion is the moon-landing (can't find verses for now). So this means we are within the timeline of "daaba".
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How 2782 is translated. This is very important because in the older translation it gives the impression that the daaba is a messenger, while the newer translation implies that it will only communicate with us, but it doesn't say what it will communicate with us. Also that the daaba is a sign itself from God.
Let's look at the different translation and what it could mean
OLDER translation
2782 And when the punishment has been deserved by them, We will bring out for them a creature from the earth, it will speak to them that the people have been unaware regarding Our revelations.In this translation, the creature is a messenger. As we know from earlier verses 2275 and 69, messengers are humans or angels in disguise as humans. With this understanding, we have many possibilites; 1. Maybe "daaba" is mistranslated and should be translated so it can be human, such as a title instead of noun. 2. This is a heavily modified human in some secret lab, like Area 51 which is beneath earth ( a human beast? ).
NEWER translation
2782 And when the sentence has fallen upon them, We will bring out
for them a creature from the earth, that will communicate with
them. Indeed, the people are unaware regarding Our signs.In this translation, the creature is more of a sign from God rather than a messenger. We are only told it will communicate with us, and it comes from the earth. This is very wide; a creature that lives inside earth and maybe it's not within reach, such as beneath the ocean, or it lives in holes within the crust...so many theories.
What are possible translations of "daaba"?
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In this translation, the creature is more of a sign from God rather than a messenger. We are only told it will communicate with us, and it comes from the earth.
In case the AI is the daaba, and in case it starts messing with us, then it simply serves to show us that we are not so smart as we wish to think. We cannot handle our God given power of creation without making it all go south, to our own severe detriment. It would show us that we have been living an illusion. That's it. Simple.
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In case the AI is the daaba, and in case it starts messing with us, then it simply serves to show us that we are not so smart as we wish to think. We cannot handle our God given power of creation without making it all go south, to our own severe detriment. It would show us that we have been living an illusion. That's it. Simple.
It could be, but there's a problem with this. AIs have been created on the surface of earth and not in the earth. It's quite a strong argument though.
In both translations, the daaba will be brought out from the earth. -
It could be, but there's a problem with this. AIs have been created on the surface of earth and not in the earth. It's quite a strong argument though.
In both translations, the daaba will be brought out from the earth.The stuff we build all come from Earth... the metals, minerals and plastics all have origins extracted from within Earth. Only what we eat are from the surface, apart from wood of course. )
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the stuff usually required for making a computer comes from allover the earth ,
it seems like one thing is availaible at other parts of world and another thing found on other parts ..
although computer is great achievement of life..
on other hand in our body there are trillions of trillions computer what we call "CELL" it appears to scientists that there are millions of more cells in one cell and every cell is working like a automatic computer that give command to itself and opertate itself too..
the technology of nature what inside us is far advance than science..
although as a personal opinion , the daba must b a creature of organic life .. as on other places of quran it never taken as lifless creature although computer is a lifless creature even if u able to operate artificial intelligence..
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although as a personal opinion , the daba must b a creature of organic life .. as on other places of quran it never taken as lifless creature although computer is a lifless creature even if u able to operate artificial intelligence..
Well, mountains are also considered to be beings.
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Well, mountains are also considered to be beings.
well you can also consider , heavens and earth and whatever is in between them as beings like
(sun ,moon,stars, planets,dark matter & energy etc). beings with life , or beings without life...our targeted word here is "daba" that only represent the moving creature with life
if we take daba just as being , and consider it as jinn , the characteristics will differ let see what quran is saying about "daba"
2445 God created every moving creature(daba) from water. So some of them move on their bellies, and some walk on two legs, and some walk on four. God creates whatever He wills. God is capable of all things
if we take it as literal then the choices are very few...
if we take this specific daba of 2782 as metaphorical then choices are lot .. more than what we can imagine
like oil , electrictiy, silicon chips, integerated circuits, cpu chips, even sand as we know sand is the core element of modern LCD..becasue all these things are from earth and have characterstics of materials what formed the human beings along with other animals... but as we see daba contain a life in it.. these things are first generation of creatures without life..
so first we need to decide either this daba is literal like other places of quran or just a metaphorical term..