Jibril and Angels
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Considering the Qur'an is a dialogue between Jibril and Muhammad. I came to realize that God created the universe and the laws of nature, angel behaviour. But does not interact with it. The universe as a creation, is like a pre-prgrammed pinball.
Angels and Jibril are simply programmed to do stuff like breaking the universe a thunder (big bang) or simply delivering the message. Moreover, there is no time conception in the Qur'an. Because, sometimes the book talks about the evetns that were the past as if they are happening in the present as well as things that will happen but haven't happened yet (like the moon being split in the end time). Everything simply moves by circular motion from point A to B.
There is a cause and effect principle in physics, though I think it is directed by the angels (as forces in nature/universe) to sustain order. Otherwise our planet could have been destroyed long ago, along with the universe. I came to this idea because the Qur'an always talks about ''We'' when talking about things and God from a thrid person perspective. Considering it is Jibril who is talking the ''we'' would refer to him/her and other 19 angels acting as forces in the universe, which we don't know about.
What do you guys think?
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So in other words you want to say that the beings/ego's we call as angels are controllers of this realm?
What about Adam, isn't The Quran talking how he placed him on Earth as a Malaikat?
I'm sure our understanding of things like angels,humans etc is far from the truth
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So in other words you want to say that the beings/ego's we call as angels are controllers of this realm?
What about Adam, isn't The Quran talking how he placed him on Earth as a Malaikat?
I'm sure our understanding of things like angels,humans etc is far from the truth
In my knowledge of Arabic, Adam is a to-be-angel or angel-in-training.
The word is not substantiated (i.e. it does not have a but ى and is only hypothetical. The functionality with and is a very interesting language feature. In pronunciation it does not have that distinct Ye sound, meaning it is not pronounced "malEYkateh".
Be well
Amenuel -
In my knowledge of Arabic, Adam is a to-be-angel or angel-in-training.
The word is not substantiated (i.e. it does not have a but ى and is only hypothetical. The functionality with and is a very interesting language feature. In pronunciation it does not have that distinct Ye sound, meaning it is not pronounced "malEYkateh".
Be well
AmenuelSo, he was an angel? What about Eve? As far as I remember she was not mentioned to be in eden?
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So, he was an angel? What about Eve? As far as I remember she was not mentioned to be in eden?
He was not an angel but could become one. We do not know whether he is one now (unless someone is specifically informed), but one could anticipate that.
I am not 100% certain whether Adam was a real person though but that our race is called Adam. In Persian you still call the race of man 'Adam'. The stories with Adam I highly suspect are allegories revealing why we are here and what we must abstain from.
Be well
Amenuel -
There is a cause and effect principle in physics, though I think it is directed by the angels (as forces in nature/universe) to sustain order. Otherwise our planet could have been destroyed long ago, along with the universe. I came to this idea because the Qur'an always talks about ''We'' when talking about things and God from a thrid person perspective. Considering it is Jibril who is talking the ''we'' would refer to him/her and other 19 angels acting as forces in the universe, which we don't know about.
What do you guys think?
Not entirely correct.. it's actually more 'intricate' (yet more beautiful) than your model described above...
Creation and Destruction is like two sides of the same coin...
The material of a star (such as our sun) is created from the remnants of a destruction/explosion... and so does the planets around it..
The 'destruction' created the earth..
And the sun and the earth will also be destroyed (just like any other solar systems) and a new sun and planets will be created from it.. like a cycle..And soon.. we will discover.. the same thing are applied on the entire universe (the so-called big bang)...
In smaller cosmos, we can see the phenomenon on countries / kingdom / empire, the destruction / death of British colony in America continent gives birth to a new state called USA as we know now.. the USA also will have it's death / destruction and shall give birth to a new state.. and on.. and on..
There's actually verses in the Quran which recommend it's reader to contemplate on the birth and death of nations... -
Not entirely correct.. it's actually more 'intricate' (yet more beautiful) than your model described above...
Creation and Destruction is like two sides of the same coin...
The material of a star (such as our sun) is created from the remnants of a destruction/explosion... and so does the planets around it..
The 'destruction' created the earth..
And the sun and the earth will also be destroyed (just like any other solar systems) and a new sun and planets will be created from it.. like a cycle..And soon.. we will discover.. the same thing are applied on the entire universe (the so-called big bang)...
In smaller cosmos, we can see the phenomenon on countries / kingdom / empire, the destruction / death of British colony in America continent gives birth to a new state called USA as we know now.. the USA also will have it's death / destruction and shall give birth to a new state.. and on.. and on..
There's actually verses in the Quran which recommend it's reader to contemplate on the birth and death of nations...To be more precise I mean the same. They destroy things and force new creation.
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So in other words you want to say that the beings/ego's we call as angels are controllers of this realm?
What about Adam, isn't The Quran talking how he placed him on Earth as a Malaikat?
I'm sure our understanding of things like angels,humans etc is far from the truth
Where does the Quran tell you that Adam was places as Malaikat (which is plural for Angel) on earth?
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So, he was an angel? What about Eve? As far as I remember she was not mentioned to be in eden?
She was also in Eden before they left.
An English translation of the Quran - 235 And We said "O Adam, reside you and your mate in the paradise, and eat from it bountifully as you both wish, and do not come near this tree, else you will be of those who have wronged."
And i can give more proof if you want, also from the Torah. I clearly read there that she also was with Adam in Eden.