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Intercourse during mensturation

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    hansolo
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    Its not about influence. Its about power of will.

    Ive got eyes to see now. Everything is dead. Our bodies are dead. 7 years ago you had a totally different body, cuz all the cells that made your body complete, are 100% dead and were replaced by other cells. So ca. after 7 years you get a new body.

    Everything in this place is dead. So when people or animals have sex, its just two dead bodies rubbing at each others sexual organs. How is this beneficial for the Soul?

    Just because our brain releases dopamine, doesn't mean that it is True. Truth is seeing though all this crap this world is trying to catch us with. No wonder everything in our society is ruled by Sex. Literally E-V-E-R-Y-T-H-I-N-G comes down to sex.

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      morpherious
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      Salaam

      I think you are right on your reasoning. It does say "do not approach them, so it is an order to them, on the other hand at the end of the aya, it says God loves those who purify themselves either in masculine or in generic comprising both sexes, at any rate certainly comprising the masculine, therefore I understand that not to approach them as consideration for the woman is a purification of the sexual relationship, the same as giving zakaat is a purification for the earning of money.

      Salaam

      Salam,

      I would like to ask though, couldn't my argument regarding the choice being left up to women be disproven by using the negative principle. As in, if a man can't approach you or have intercourse with you. Can you approach that said man considering he is still bound by that command. Nonetheless I really like your argument of how it hints to keeping the purity of marriage

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        huruf
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        What is wrong with pleasure? Nothing as long as you are not enslaved by it. In fact, real pleasure lies in it not becoming exccessive. Also, though sex is pleasure, when it is indeed pleasure, because it is not always so, but it is also something deeper and more total than that, if it is just that and no will is at play in it, it does become like animals, but animals do not seek it all time, so in fact lustful people are worse than animals because the become servants of lust and not masters of need.

        God has mixed pleasure with reproduction, He has also mixed painin reproduction but it is only females that feel the pain. I do not think it is a punishment like the bible says, but it has indeed some meaning, because nothing is meaningless. And here comes that in which males respect and consideration for women is purifiction for the pleasure the get from them at no cost to them the males and also for the reproduction of the species which por them is painless, that they should in turn serve women willingly is also purification. It is a reminder that humans are made of mud and not of fire, and have therefore all reason to make efforts to transcend themselves purifying mud and not despising it or disregarding it.

        Salaam

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          hansolo
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          How can something be made out of fire? The thing we call as fire is just a visible reaction ? Not a substance itself.

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            huruf
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            Salam,

            I would like to ask though, couldn't my argument regarding the choice being left up to women be disproven by using the negative principle. As in, if a man can't approach you or have intercourse with you. Can you approach that said man considering he is still bound by that command. Nonetheless I really like your argument of how it hints to keeping the purity of marriage

            I have no dogma on this, or in fact on anything else, if the opposite is shown I have no quarrel with acknowledging any thing that seems sound.

            It seems that menstruation may make more sensitive to transmitting diseases or infections.

            The actual wording is i3tazilu, keep away and do not approach them till...

            Can women approach them? It does not tell the men to refuse the women, so I guess that it is left up to the women to approach the men or not. This I feel is a turf where, as so many times, something is left at the discretion of the believers.

            Not all women feel the same in those circumstances although a number of them large enough to be significant suffer physical discomfort, moderate pain or much pain, so that it should be a general injonction that he proper due considertion at all times, should be emphasized in this circumstance.

            Salaam

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              huruf
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              How can something be made out of fire? The thing we call as fire is just a visible reaction ? Not a substance itself.

              Well, you understand by that whatever you see fit, but if you compare fire nd mud sure you get a difference, so it is up to you to realise the import of it, lso checking it against all the other chracteristics that are mentionned of men and jinn.

              Salaam

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                virginia
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                Salam! peace

                Well I have not an opinion about this but I have a question...

                Of aaaaaaall the things they could have asked the messenger of God... Was really (really!!!) sex during menstruation one of their priorities??? hmm

                Seriously that is maybe the last thing I would ask

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                  Man_of_Faith
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                  Salam! peace

                  Well I have not an opinion about this but I have a question...

                  Of aaaaaaall the things they could have asked the messenger of God... Was really (really!!!) sex during menstruation one of their priorities??? hmm

                  Seriously that is maybe the last thing I would ask

                  As far as I know the blood from menstruation is not dangerous, but obviously it can be disgusting depending on the mindset. I personally prefer to refrain, if you would like to hear my opinion. I think that many people have the same opinion as me.

                  You are right that it is a silly question though. It is probably important to Jewish clergymen also known as Muslims since they are obsessed with cleanliness. But I can agree it is less messy to abstain during the menstruation.

                  Be well
                  Amenuel

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                    Rekkd
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                    Its not about influence. Its about power of will.

                    Ive got eyes to see now. Everything is dead. Our bodies are dead. 7 years ago you had a totally different body, cuz all the cells that made your body complete, are 100% dead and were replaced by other cells. So ca. after 7 years you get a new body.

                    Everything in this place is dead. So when people or animals have sex, its just two dead bodies rubbing at each others sexual organs. How is this beneficial for the Soul?

                    Just because our brain releases dopamine, doesn't mean that it is True. Truth is seeing though all this crap this world is trying to catch us with. No wonder everything in our society is ruled by Sex. Literally E-V-E-R-Y-T-H-I-N-G comes down to sex.

                    To be honest women are my weakness. I believe I have very strong willpower except this.

                    Anyways, its not just two dead bodies rubbing at each others organs. Why don't you get married, I know in Chechnya marriage is encouraged at your age. That way you wont be chasing women and have that part of life satisfied with a good woman so you can focus on becoming better in other aspects of life.

                    Enjoy!!

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                      To be honest women are my weakness. I believe I have very strong willpower except this.

                      Anyways, its not just two dead bodies rubbing at each others organs. Why don't you get married, I know in Chechnya marriage is encouraged at your age. That way you wont be chasing women and have that part of life satisfied with a good woman so you can focus on becoming better in other aspects of life.

                      Enjoy!!

                      You are right. Marriage is a test of becoming one with God. If one cannot even become one with a fellow human how can they become one with God?

                      And for those who think men are superior to women and that they need to be taken care of in everything have already failed. Each gender complement the other. And today we also have scientific studies of where each gender excels over the other, and each trait is needed for more or less each section of society in equity.

                      Feminist movements are also wrong where there is nearly an aggressive stance towards men and they almost have overtaken the oppression of men. The tone is often beating down on men as a collective while it is the instinct (Satan) to blame and people's lack of spiritual development which we need to help and not just humiliate. Instinct on instinct is not a good combination.

                      Also related to everything I have been teaching openly and in private. Everything goes hand in hand.

                      Be well
                      Amenuel

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