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and the Book which was sent before. And whoever rejects God, and His angels, and

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    Adam_The_Warner
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    An English translation of the Quran - 4136 O you who believe; believe in God and His messenger, and the Book which was sent down to His messenger, and the Book which was sent before. And whoever rejects God, and His angels, and His Books, and His messengers, and the Last Day; then he has strayed a far straying.

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      An English translation of the Quran - 4136 O you who believe; believe in God and His messenger, and the Book which was sent down to His messenger, and the Book which was sent before. And whoever rejects God, and His angels, and His Books, and His messengers, and the Last Day; then he has strayed a far straying.

      Book of exodus calls God jealous, is this true?
      Book of genesis, promotes slavery, claims Lut had one night stands with his daughters, true?

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        virginia
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        Salam peace

        Oh yes, let's believe and apply to our lives the commandments included in the Gospel and the Torah, and follow the models of good people exposed there. Specially the following

        Elisha was a cool bad guy O0

        2 Kings 223 He went up from there to Bethel, and while he was going up on the way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him, saying, ?Go up, you baldhead! Go up, you baldhead!?
        2 Kings 224 And he turned around, and when he saw them, he cursed them in the name of the Lord. And two she-bears came out of the woods and tore forty-two of the boys.

        Josiah made it better than many Hollywood movies &

        2 Kings 2320 And he sacrificed all the priests of the high places who were there, on the altars, and burned human bones on them. Then he returned to Jerusalem.
        2 Kings 2321 And the king commanded all the people, ?Keep the Passover to the Lord your God, as it is written in this Book of the Covenant.?

        Jesus?s issue with a stupid evil tree jedi

        Mat. 2118 In the morning, as he was returning to the city, he became hungry.
        Mat. 2119 And seeing a fig tree by the wayside, he went to it and found nothing on it but only leaves. And he said to it, ?May no fruit ever come from you again!? And the fig tree withered at once.

        Slavery is a right

        Levit. 2544 As for your male and female slaves whom you may have you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are around you.
        Levit. 2545 You may also buy from among the strangers who sojourn with you and their clans that are with you, who have been born in your land, and they may be your property.

        The Deuteronomy is worthy a reading, I can't chose to quote something, the whole book is priceless giveup

        Taurat and Injeel has nothing to do with those human fabrications we call Gospel and Injeel. Taurat and Injeel are not even "books"

        God, the One, the Merciful, the Just, the Wise, never ever revelated such as quoted before.

        Quran discurages / forbids human sacrifice, revenge, children abuse, slavery, etc. It encourages understanding, coexistence, peace, justice, good doing.

        May the Lord free and open our minds and hearts and enlighten us

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          Kitaab is not books, it is knowledge of God's laws that He rveals to humans. And all people have received God's books. It is not something particular to a certain ethnia or tribes.

          And there cannot be any inconsistency in God's laws.

          Salaam

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            An English translation of the Quran - 6154 Then We gave Moses the Book, to complete for those who do right, and to fully detail all things, and a guide and mercy that they may believe in the meeting of their Lord.
            6155 And this is a Book that We have sent down which is blessed, so follow it and be aware, that you may receive mercy.
            6156 Lest you say "The Book was only sent down to two groups before us, and we were unaware of their study!"
            6157 Or you say "If the Book was sent to us we would have been more guided than they!" Clarity has come to you from your Lord, and a guidance and a mercy. Who is more wicked than he who denies the revelations of God and turns away from them? We will punish those who turn away from Our revelations with the pain of retribution for what they turned away.
            6158 Do they wait until the angels come to them, or your Lord comes, or certain signs come from your Lord? The Day certain signs come from your Lord, it will do no good for any soul to believe if it did not believe before, or it gained good through its belief. Say "Wait, for we are waiting."
            6159 Those who have divided their system and become sects, you are not with them in anything. Their matter will be with God, then He will inform them of what they had done.
            6160 Whoever comes with a good deed, he will receive ten times its worth, and whoever comes with a sin, he will only be recompensed its like; they will not be wronged.
            6161 Say "My Lord has guided me to a straight path, an upright system, the creed of Abraham the monotheist; he was not of the polytheists."
            6162 Say "My communion, and my rites, and my life, and my death, are all to God-Lord of the worlds."
            6163 "He has no partner, and it is to this that I was commanded, and I am the first of those who have submitted."
            6164 Say "Shall I seek other than God as a Lord when He is the Lord of everything?" And every soul earns what is for it; and no bearer may carry the burden of another. Then to your Lord is your return and He will inform you of what you disputed in.
            6165 And He is the One who made you inheritors on the earth, and He raised some of you over others in grades, to test you with what He had given you. Your Lord is swift to punishment, and He is Forgiving, Merciful.

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              Book of exodus calls God jealous, is this true?
              Book of genesis, promotes slavery, claims Lut had one night stands with his daughters, true?

              According to the (common interpretation of) Quran, God is jealous too. Same mentality of the interpreters, but I would call the Quran interpreters slightly more civilized and sophisticated, but only slightly.

              If you look at Quran (as traditionally interpreted by people) you can clearly the deity is highly jealous, throwing people in Hell for having idols, even if it does not explicitly admit so. Anyone who would do like that is clearly acting upon jealousy. Fortunately that portrait of God is a clerical fabrication.

              Old Testament and Quran have a lot in common concerning the tone and how they treat the deity. The so-called New Testament has another tone.

              And I am being very objective, this is what one can derive from reading (at least a translation) and not neglecting one's intelligence.

              Be well
              Amenuel

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                Kitaab is not books, it is knowledge of God's laws that He rveals to humans. And all people have received God's books. It is not something particular to a certain ethnia or tribes.

                And there cannot be any inconsistency in God's laws.

                Salaam

                Applause.

                Surely "Kateb" is not book but more like record and could refer to someone's "knowledge bank". That the word became synonymous with book might be because one lazily referred to it as "a record" linguistically but it turned out to eventually connote book which comes across incorrectly when deciphering Quran which uses the word properly.

                I would say Kateb does not always refer to the explicit knowledge of God but it simply refers to something similar to knowledge in general. For example, David/Dawood was given Al-kateb Wa Al-Hakmateh which might translate as "knowledge and wisdom". So David was taught many things which served him well. And knowledge and wisdom is better than any materials in the world.

                Secondly, the usage of Al-kateb as book does not sound natural in the contexts. Quran was evidently made written about 1400-1600 years ago and the modern Arabic script emerged around that time (from between 200 AD to 500AD), but still previous prophets were seemingly taught "the book" thousands of years earlier. Then it does not sound logical to translate Kateb as book.

                And there does not exist any copies of any earlier script displaying exactly what Quran says, not even fragments of one book, so the probability that Quran was made earlier is very low.

                If you find a translation of "portion of Al-kateb" this means "a portion of knowledge".

                Be well
                Amenuel

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