Is there proof for Qurans Divinity?

Man_of_Faith

I do not share your opinion, Jafar. If I knew nothing of so-called gods I would say the writing would be extraterrestrial. I find it very mysterious, particularly with the interpretation of it that I have found.

If it would be compiled by a person, this person had immense insight about our existence in every aspect. The author is perfectly aware of everything there is to know.

The author can by the time of writing predict what is going to happen to it for centuries after its compilation. The author does explain certain people made up their own doctrine, and they did mess up two previous messages so that they carry a false testimony and they made it in order to boost a third, which I presume is Quran being talked about.

The author reveals that people has made it as according to themselves and their deed does not help them manage. The author encourages the recipient, presumably the one able to read the ancient Arabic properly, to convince people by pedagogically and psychologically put forth witted arguments to them.

I have only managed to translate a smaller fraction of Quran, but what I have managed to learn I am using in my own pedagogy teaching in this forum. This is including the proper doctrinal teaching that I am putting forth concerning the whole nature of the phenomenon called "God" which the ancient Arabic calls the Developer (Rabb) and whom each subject is to impersonate in Allah which means (the one) "Who Is Being", and the plural, most probably resembling the unity (assembly) of being, is Elohim/Ellahem. The whole point for us is to become being, to be. We are basically here to develop our spirit, the spirit of the soul, which is a direct copy image of Rabb and the challenge put up against us is the bodily counterpart which poses as the actual test. The one who accepts a life drawn into it by the instinct will simply not manage. The one who learns to reject the excitement of the bodily will find that their spirit is truly superior and they will feel absolutely conscious and being. That is our life rounded up in a long paragraph.

Uneducated people might think this is depriving themselves of personal growth and simply extremist. It is hard to let go of the worldly enjoyments, but the rewards are worth seventy times the sense of loss. One must learn the world and its pleasures are deliberately placed there in order to corrupt and consume people.

The main remedy is simply to start with

No hierarchy placement (only being in absolute Oneness = The true first commandment)
No materialism (including abstract images such as gods)
No vanity
No indulgence
No looking after own kin only
No violent thoughts
No thoughts of domination (no player versus player games either)
No sexual arousal
No greed
No jealousy

If your focus is to get rid of every one of these instincts this will help tremendously on your journey. Even only reducing the sinning is developmental and builds up a stronger being able to endure more, because the spirit grows, and simultaneously the "fog" disperses (feeling of delusion) so you get yo truly know yourself and your different origin than what you may have imagined.

It is easy to learn all about your autonomous bodily drive once you begin to reflect upon it. Just rebel against every impulse you receive whenever you have the willpower to do so. Decide to make changes in life.

The list above is a source of purpose and background to the Ten Directives and adds philosophy to them. And the one most important directive is written properly as it should be read. Be merged/devoted to with your Being with all your heart and all your soul, and do not seek to be anything but the Originator in you and you in the Originator. Absolute Oneness, symbiotic/merged.

And as Eysua said, the second most important directive is to "care for your neighbor as yourself", and he expanded "do also care for your adversaries" (i.e. those who oppose you/are against you because personally you have no enemies). Leave your adversaries be had Mosa said which had opened for clerical abuse.

Be well
Qarael Amenuel

Jafar

I do not share your opinion, Jafar. If I knew nothing of so-called gods I would say the writing would be extraterrestrial. I find it very mysterious, particularly with the interpretation of it that I have found.

An 'extra terestrial' who asked for 20% on war booty, asking people all around the globe to make a journey to a place in middle east, doesn't he know how difficult it is to make such journey for polynesian living in the middle of pacific island? mentioning that it is something that the human owe to Allah, who has enemy and declare war, who refer to "Allah" as 3rd person.. who claimed the only approved religion is his religion, other religion will not be accepted... who claimed that jews and christians are ally to each others.. little did the author know how jews and christians has massacred each other massively.. who said that it took 5000 years to make a journey to Allah... while on the other part he said otherwise, Allah is here there and everywhere.. who said that the stars are fixed on it's place..
And the absurdity goes on and on....

Having said that, there are some good wisdom in the book and also in any other book..
The BOOK itself contain FLAW.. yet there are some truth inside (and also mistakes)

Timotheus

An 'extra terestrial' who asked for 20% on war booty, asking people all around the globe to make a journey to a place in middle east, doesn't he know how difficult it is to make such journey for polynesian living in the middle of pacific island? mentioning that it is something that the human owe to Allah, who has enemy and declare war, who refer to "Allah" as 3rd person.. who claimed the only approved religion is his religion, other religion will not be accepted... who claimed that jews and christians are ally to each others.. little did the author know how jews and christians has massacred each other massively.. who said that it took 5000 years to make a journey to Allah... while on the other part he said otherwise, Allah is here there and everywhere.. who said that the stars are fixed on it's place..
And the absurdity goes on and on....

Having said that, there are some good wisdom in the book and also in any other book..
The BOOK itself contain FLAW.. yet there are some truth inside (and also mistakes)

Peace

Read the context, hajj is for those who are able, as Quran says,

20% isn't much considering God gave it to them in the first place, and if I recall correctly they in at least one situation got it without having to even fight

The only Deen approved my God is islam, in other words you could say "the only payment is in full"

It all makes prefect sense if you look it up

HP_TECH

An 'extra terestrial' who asked for 20% on war booty, asking people all around the globe to make a journey to a place in middle east, doesn't he know how difficult it is to make such journey for polynesian living in the middle of pacific island? mentioning that it is something that the human owe to Allah, who has enemy and declare war, who refer to "Allah" as 3rd person.. who claimed the only approved religion is his religion, other religion will not be accepted... who claimed that jews and christians are ally to each others.. little did the author know how jews and christians has massacred each other massively.. who said that it took 5000 years to make a journey to Allah... while on the other part he said otherwise, Allah is here there and everywhere.. who said that the stars are fixed on it's place..
And the absurdity goes on and on....

Having said that, there are some good wisdom in the book and also in any other book..
The BOOK itself contain FLAW.. yet there are some truth inside (and also mistakes)

If you do not provide evidence for ALL (not just one) of your false accusations then

you demonstrate by default that you are biased and ignorant
I will have you banned from this forum and make a report

Think about your next post carefully

good_logic

Peace All/Jafar.

Qoran does not need anyone to defend it. On the contrary it speaks for itself and challenges those, who out of ignorance , take its verses out of context to have a closer look by studying it without bias or hear say.

For some unknown reason/s jafar you do not want to play fair with Qoran. You choose to stay ignorant about what it really says and believe false interpretations and hear say about it.

By all means carry on with that attitude and ignorance of what GOD is really saying in Qoran. You areonly demonstrating that you have a limited knowledge and therefore cannot grasp the real meaning.
Jafar, bring the verses that support your assumptions and let us discuss them by all means.

I believe I have had conversations with you about your misunderstandings of Qoran in the past yet you carry on with your confusion and assumptions regardless.
The irony is you are showing so much false assumptions by your lack of knowledge of Qoran thinking you know better and are wiser/clever.
Brother do yourself a favour and be honest to yourself that you are being fair with Qoran by studying it and reflecting on what GOD is saying .
Just a simple example that you do not really understand/or you are deliberately ignoring the truth about what "Islam" is,when GOD claims it to be the only acceptable Deen!!!!!! GOD is talking about "total submission to His system"as all other systems are false and oppressive. GOD is not talking about any religion!!!!
Having said that , you are entitled to stay in your continued confusion and false assumptions.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

savage_carrot

An 'extra terestrial' who asked for 20% on war booty, asking people all around the globe to make a journey to a place in middle east, doesn't he know how difficult it is to make such journey for polynesian living in the middle of pacific island? mentioning that it is something that the human owe to Allah, who has enemy and declare war, who refer to "Allah" as 3rd person.. who claimed the only approved religion is his religion, other religion will not be accepted... who claimed that jews and christians are ally to each others.. little did the author know how jews and christians has massacred each other massively.. who said that it took 5000 years to make a journey to Allah... while on the other part he said otherwise, Allah is here there and everywhere.. who said that the stars are fixed on it's place..
And the absurdity goes on and on....

Having said that, there are some good wisdom in the book and also in any other book..
The BOOK itself contain FLAW.. yet there are some truth inside (and also mistakes)

It's absurd that you've been here so long and yet persist in this type of deliberate misinformation. The sun must be rising from the west because I agree to some degree with HP. Please read the Forum Rules and post more responsibly.

Man_of_Faith

An 'extra terestrial' who asked for 20% on war booty, asking people all around the globe to make a journey to a place in middle east, doesn't he know how difficult it is to make such journey for polynesian living in the middle of pacific island? mentioning that it is something that the human owe to Allah, who has enemy and declare war, who refer to "Allah" as 3rd person.. who claimed the only approved religion is his religion, other religion will not be accepted... who claimed that jews and christians are ally to each others.. little did the author know how jews and christians has massacred each other massively.. who said that it took 5000 years to make a journey to Allah... while on the other part he said otherwise, Allah is here there and everywhere.. who said that the stars are fixed on it's place..
And the absurdity goes on and on....

Having said that, there are some good wisdom in the book and also in any other book..
The BOOK itself contain FLAW.. yet there are some truth inside (and also mistakes)

That is not what Quran says, Jafar. You must have read it with someone else's eyes and mind. What I meant by reference to Quran was what it says in its original Arabic, not what people made it say.

But I agree, I am also not impressed by the sectarian interpretation of Quran. If we are talking about that interpretation I am in agreement with you. And there is basically not any wisdom in it at all, and if there is it could be common sense.

Be well
Qarael Amenuel

Aladin_from_Azra_tribe

I really don't understand why comments as "The BOOK itself contain FLAW.. yet there are some truth inside (and also mistakes)" are here?

You were supporting gays, but that was not enough, now you're openly supporting those who are open liars. Is this really place to "discover true Islam" or to discover all against it?

I know that people living on the West are mostly brainwashed by theories as "democracy" and "freedom of speech", but you should think what is your huden, if you care.

Presenting Allah's ayet is for you for trash, but openly talking that there's some truth inside them and also mistakes is ok?

May Allah swt open your eyes if there's any real wish in your qalb for that.

Timotheus

Peace,

Consider a few things

God challenges anyone to produce a surah like one of those in the Quran, so do it and call your witnesses if you don't trust Quran,

God also mentions If all Jinn and man gathered together they could not produce a Quran like it

From what I have seen of the Arabic Quran this is true, no-one other than God can produce a Quran so prefect, easy to learn and understand, with prefect rhythm, measure etc

Sadly the fact is that the translation and interpretation of it is completely screwed. Even sadder is the fact that it's literally so simple a child could read it if you untranslated it back into pictures.

If people are serious about learning the Quran they should start with the first step, learn the alphabet, the problem with many scholars and translators is they don't even know the alphabet.

However as God says regardless of anything else, indeed it is a guarded record, none touch it except the ones of purity

imrankhawaja

peace guys ... relax

jaffar if you have some verses in your said claim you can represent it on the table then we will discuss in the light of logic ..

God bless you all..

Bender

I was going to play devil's advocate but then i noticed this,

Look at that! Amenuel defending Jafar! laugh ;D

Hansolo = Jafar ? o

Bender

hail We might be in the presence of a 13.82 billion year old individual hail welcome

Sounds to me like you are a little bit jealous with your mini 40 Ma age

Bender

Of course it is made by men.. written by human, authored by human..

So who is/are the author(s) then?

Heck.. mine has "made in china" printed on it's back...

my Stephen King books have made in The Netherlands, what is your point?

Bender

An 'extra terestrial' who asked for 20% on war booty, asking people all around the globe to make a journey to a place in middle east, doesn't he know how difficult it is to make such journey for polynesian living in the middle of pacific island? mentioning that it is something that the human owe to Allah, who has enemy and declare war, who refer to "Allah" as 3rd person.. who claimed the only approved religion is his religion, other religion will not be accepted... who claimed that jews and christians are ally to each others.. little did the author know how jews and christians has massacred each other massively.. who said that it took 5000 years to make a journey to Allah... while on the other part he said otherwise, Allah is here there and everywhere.. who said that the stars are fixed on it's place..
And the absurdity goes on and on....

Having said that, there are some good wisdom in the book and also in any other book..
The BOOK itself contain FLAW.. yet there are some truth inside (and also mistakes)

This is just like the posts on a atheist forum were I was active some time ago.
They were atheist who believed in Bukhary & Co.

imrankhawaja

Hansolo = Jafar ?

hansolo = (jaffar + qarial immanuel)

just kidding guys ... God knows best ..

at some certain point i was thinking hansolo is mof but it was kind of mystery drama joke from me... no hard feelings id doesnt matter , questions matter...

imrankhawaja

I admit, i'm jealous of 13.82 billion year old Timotheus. I would love to see a female inostrancevia(gorgonopsid) in her prime. Or the Vegan Arthropleura who could be a excellent source of pure nightmare fuel. Who wouldn't wanna spy on a hunting Liopleurodon ferox? Or the granddaddy of all crocodiles,Sarcosuchus Imperator. Or witness the giant Quetzalcoatlus northropi take off and glide effortlessly. Think about all the pre-permian creatures you could study. And that's just a few minutes/seconds in the cosmic calendar. What about the countless other fertile green planets out there?
13.82 billion year old Mr.Timotheus might know of other earth-like planets.
group Grouphug, till he divulges all the secrets of the universe group

welcome to forum handshake

we are the part of universe , its story is our story...
by dr brian cox

peace

Bender

I admit, i'm jealous of 13.82 billion year old Timotheus. I would love to see a female inostrancevia(gorgonopsid) in her prime. Or the Vegan Arthropleura who could be a excellent source of pure nightmare fuel. Who wouldn't wanna spy on a hunting Liopleurodon ferox? Or the granddaddy of all crocodiles,Sarcosuchus Imperator. Or witness the giant Quetzalcoatlus northropi take off and glide effortlessly. Think about all the pre-permian creatures you could study. And that's just a few minutes/seconds in the cosmic calendar. What about the countless other fertile green planets out there?
13.82 billion year old Mr.Timotheus might know of other earth-like planets.
group Grouphug, till he divulges all the secrets of the universe group

I know now who to consult about prehistoric creatures

Man_of_Faith

Your ability to read people must be very bad imrankhawaja, if you think I am hansolo. Our writing style is utterly different and the way we reason and about confidence level.

I have no alter ego on the forum and there would obviously not be any need for it. If I would have supporters for my teachings this stands for themselves.

I am here to help people, not pretend to seem liked by people.

Be well
Qarael Amenuel

imrankhawaja

Your ability to read people must be very bad imrankhawaja, if you think I am hansolo. Our writing style is utterly different and the way we reason and about confidence level.

I have no alter ego on the forum and there would obviously not be any need for it. If I would have supporters for my teachings this stands for themselves.

I am here to help people, not pretend to seem liked by people.

Be well
Qarael Amenuel

i said i was kidding ... its nice to have some banter along with discussion hmm

i always said God knows best .. isnt it..?

Man_of_Faith

i said i was kidding ... its nice to have some banter along with discussion hmm

i always said God knows best .. isnt it..?

And if I was to use a character from Star Wars it would be Obi-Wan Kenobi, or perhaps Luke Skywalker after he learned to become spiritual instead of a down-to-earth human.

Han Solo is not exactly a role model and suiting my persona. Of course, Harrison Ford portrays him very well, but not like I would impersonate him.

The philosophy of the Jedis is good and one can learn from it. They also take distance from the worldly.

Be well
Qarael Amenuel