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Es-Safa and El-Merwa (2:158)

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    Aladin_from_Azra_tribe
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    Bismillah

    The Knowledge of Allah's Speech is His Only, and He gives it to His 'ibad, as He likes from His Rahmet.

    Indeed, order and refined manners are from Allah's marks.

    We're brought to the state of order when we are saff, and our personal order is es-Safa. It's the state when we are clean of wishes to destroy or change anything. This can be achieved only if we're not surrounded by something which can disturb us and create disorder.

    Merw are white, pretty pebbles w/o hard surface, smooth ones. If we makeour behavior to be like those pebbles, we'll have El-Merwa - refined manners.

    These two are Allah's marks on us. They're clear and very evident. Nobody can miss them if they saw a person with them.

    So, whoever does hajj or 'umra to the Family, there is no sin on him if he's surrounded by these two.

    Hajj and 'umra are for/to the Family, chosen by Allah swt.

    If somebody does hajj or 'umra to the Family, his/her sins will gone from him/her, if that person is surrounded by Es-Safa and El-Merwa.

    And whoever is willingly good, then indeed Allah is Shakir, 'Aleem.

    Allah swt knows best.

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      hansolo
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      Brother Aladin, so if one goes to hajj his/her sins will perish?

      Sorry cant understand better

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        Bender
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        Bismillah

        The Knowledge of Allah's Speech is His Only, and He gives it to His 'ibad, as He likes from His Rahmet.

        Are you trying to say that in this case we are witnessing the knowledge of Allah about these verses through you?

        Indeed, order and refined manners are from Allah's marks.

        We're brought to the state of order when we are saff, and our personal order is es-Safa. It's the state when we are clean of wishes to destroy or change anything. This can be achieved only if we're not surrounded by something which can disturb us and create disorder.

        Merw are white, pretty pebbles w/o hard surface, smooth ones. If we makeour behavior to be like those pebbles, we'll have El-Merwa - refined manners.
        These two are Allah's marks on us. They're clear and very evident. Nobody can miss them if they saw a person with them.

        BLUE Who says so?
        RED Change to something better is better then stay in the same state yes
        GREEN Who says so? And why not also dark ones?

        So, whoever does hajj or 'umra to the Family, there is no sin on him if he's surrounded by these two.

        Hajj and 'umra are for/to the Family, chosen by Allah swt.

        What Family are you talking about?
        And what does hajj or umra mean? Pilgrimage to the Family?

        If somebody does hajj or 'umra to the Family, his/her sins will gone from him/her, if that person is surrounded by Es-Safa and El-Merwa.

        And whoever is willingly good, then indeed Allah is Shakir, 'Aleem.

        Allah swt knows best.

        You should really tell me where this Family is, I have sinned so much in my life -[

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          Aladin_from_Azra_tribe
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          Brother Aladin, so if one goes to hajj his/her sins will perish?

          Sorry cant understand better

          No, hansolo.

          If one does hajj or 'umra to the Family, surrounded by these 2 qualities, that person will not have sins at all.

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            Aladin_from_Azra_tribe
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            Are you trying to say that in this case we are witnessing the knowledge of Allah about these verses through you?

            No, what I said is that the knowledge is only His and nobody should seek the knowledge from "other sources", my text included. We can read/hear something as information, which has to be (dis)proven. Ones who're getting the knowledge from Him - only them knows (something).

            BLUE Who says so?
            RED Change to something better is better then stay in the same state yes

            Changing to something better is sad-lam-ha. It's possible only if something's wrong, there's no "better" then "hayr" (good).
            Please check saff for your "Blue".

            GREEN Who says so? And why not also dark ones?

            Dark ones are dark ones, not clean. I'm sure that there's a word for "smooth dark manners" too

            What Family are you talking about?
            And what does hajj or umra mean? Pilgrimage to the Family?

            Family of Ibrahim a.s., Allah's friend.

            You should really tell me where this Family is, I have sinned so much in my life -[

            It's evident in Allah's Qawl. Listen to it and be quiet, or read it... and think in both case.

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              No, what I said is that the knowledge is only His and nobody should seek the knowledge from "other sources", my text included.

              Ok then I misunderstood, but why then write anything at all, are you trying to misguide us? >(

              Allah also communicates through messengers.

              Changing to something better is sad-lam-ha.

              I am also good in defining random 3 letter words.
              I say it is dal-ra-sad, prove me wrong.

              It's possible only if something's wrong, there's no "better" then "hayr" (good).

              red And this is simply not true.

              Please check saff for your "Blue".

              I did and thats why I was asking.

              Dark ones are dark ones, not clean. I'm sure that there's a word for "smooth dark manners" too

              I prefer merw to mean smooth dark ones, and there should be another word for your white ones.
              What the hell does a color have anything to do with anything? Seriously what are you talking about?

              Family of Ibrahim a.s., Allah's friend.

              This is simply nonsense, if the quran wanted to say Family of Ibrahim it will say family of Ibrahim and not some kind of riddle we first need to solve to Family of Ibrahim by your solving techniques.

              It's evident in Allah's Qawl. Listen to it and be quiet, or read it... and think in both case.

              being philosophical is always O0
              what is Allah's qawl? the quran?

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                What you and me prefer is irrelevant, and you can continue with that, as I will.

                For your first line, I'm not trying to misguide nor to guide you, it's not possible to me. What I was trying to do with that statement was to remind myself and readers of my text what is knowledge and where to seek for it.

                Beyt=family is not a riddle. It's so very obvious that only blind ones can miss it.
                If anybody thinks that Ibrahim a.s. and his son Isma'il a.s. were builders and house-cleaners, and/or if anybody thinks that Moosa a.s. and Haroon a.s. were house-builders for their people, I really can't help.

                Just think where from informations anybody adopted come from.
                People here are talking about those who're following opinions of those recognized as "scholars of Islam" (this is impossible state for humans and jinns), but same people are following opinions of non-Muslims and taking that as huden.

                If you think that if you say I'm wrong will make me wrong... think about it.
                But, if you come with Haqq and it differs from what I tried to present here with my low knowledge of English, it'll prove that I'm wrong for sure.

                If you're not haqq-bringer then please seek for others to argue with, I'm not interested in other then haqq. Don't be offended.
                Correcting my English with haqq counts, and I'll be grateful.

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                  What you and me prefer is irrelevant, and you can continue with that, as I will.

                  For your first line, I'm not trying to misguide nor to guide you, it's not possible to me. What I was trying to do with that statement was to remind myself and readers of my text what is knowledge and where to seek for it.

                  After you reminded yourself and us, you still wrote what you wrote. I still don't get it.

                  Beyt=family is not a riddle. It's so very obvious that only blind ones can miss it.

                  I just read this quote from you in another topic "If you search only my inputs here you'll most certenally find that I used "House" for "beyt", maybe a few days ago.".
                  It took you 41 years (if your info is correct) to find out beyt=family and now you are telling me only blind ones can miss it?

                  What if after some time you find some better definition for bayt, just like how you found "family" is better than "house"?

                  If anybody thinks that Ibrahim a.s. and his son Isma'il a.s. were builders and house-cleaners, and/or if anybody thinks that Moosa a.s. and Haroon a.s. were house-builders for their people, I really can't help.

                  Since they were extremely good people according to my understanding of the quran I would be absolutely not surprised if they were building houses for their people in their spare time.

                  Just think where from informations anybody adopted come from.
                  People here are talking about those who're following opinions of those recognized as "scholars of Islam" (this is impossible state for humans and jinns), but same people are following opinions of non-Muslims and taking that as huden.

                  Maybe those who you call non-muslims are better than you.
                  Truths are truths no matter from who it is. False statements are false statements even if they are from such a big believer as you are.

                  If you think that if you say I'm wrong will make me wrong... think about it.
                  But, if you come with Haqq and it differs from what I tried to present here with my low knowledge of English, it'll prove that I'm wrong for sure.
                  If you're not haqq-bringer then please seek for others to argue with, I'm not interested in other then haqq. Don't be offended.
                  Correcting my English with haqq counts, and I'll be grateful.

                  Not sure if I am a haqq-bringer but I for sure do not spread misinformation about obvious things like the shape of the earth.

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                    Aladin_from_Azra_tribe
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                    I just read this quote from you in another topic "If you search only my inputs here you'll most certenally find that I used "House" for "beyt", maybe a few days ago.".
                    It took you 41 years (if your info is correct) to find out beyt=family and now you are telling me only blind ones can miss it?

                    Yes, elhamdulillah, it took only 41 years. Yes, I was blind, I took translations and opinions as the Qur'an. When I looked in the Qur'an I found its meaning.

                    P.S. I don't want to start shape of the Earth topic again here, but we can chat about it, if you like.

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