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    Man_of_Faith
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    A problem is if our salary increases we simply find ourselves increased expenses, i.e. we spend our money on vanity and often to give an impression on others. For example, we may buy an unnecessarily big house, thirsty SUV, always buy the latest smartphone when it gets out, trendy clothes at high prices, expensive restaurants and the list could go on. And it is usually the mega corporations who hoard our money when we spend money on media and entertainment etc so that the money primarily go to the board of that corporation and its stockholders.

    And companies are driven more on making profit than to actually maximize the number of employees and salaries and there is often a fat greedy CEO on top of the hierarchy.

    You are right that we see status in different jobs, it is part of the human instinct. It is about hierarchy with this social status seeking and any person who has not heeded their spiritual self is exposed to this behavior and do race towards being on a higher step in the hierarchy. Being a cleaner would mean a lower level of social status. The highest are those that require the highest level of skill. And if we take pride in our social status we may look down on people with a low-income job and judge them based on occupation despite not even knowing the person who may actually be very intelligent but has their reason for not climbing on that status ladder.

    Be well
    Qarael Amenuel

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      Jafar
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      we may buy an unnecessarily big house, thirsty SUV, always buy the latest smartphone when it gets out, trendy clothes at high prices, expensive restaurants and the list could go on. And it is usually the mega corporations who hoard our money when we spend money on media and entertainment etc so that the money primarily go to the board of that corporation and its stockholders.

      Not necessarily a bad thing...

      buy an unnecessarily big house <-- Good for property developer and construction workers imagine when people stop buying houses... property developer goes bankrupt, workers laid off and do nothing..

      thirsty SUV <-- Good for car industry and workers...

      buy the latest smartphone <-- Samsung, Xiaomi, Apple hiring new employee...

      trendy clothes at high prices <-- LV, Prada, DG designers and models keep their job and not unemployed...

      expensive restaurants <-- Recruiting Chef, waiter, food supplier...

      And it is usually the mega corporations who hoard our money when we spend money on media and entertainment etc so that the money primarily go to the board of that corporation and its stockholders.

      So what? Money doesn't have any real value...
      If you want more money then start your corporation or buy the share of existing corporation...

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        imrankhawaja
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        If you want more money then start your corporation or buy the share of existing corporation...

        its not that easy brother,

        i already had my lesson when i lost almost all the savings of my life in stock exchange.. approx 8 years ago

        only the big crocodiles make money from money... small crocodiles like us are not strong to hold the pressure of strange waters and the power of big crocodiles..

        earning/saving money is one of the hardest task of life..

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          Rekkd
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          I have thirst/greed for power but not money. I would love to hold a position of a authority, ofc it satisfies me but at the same time I'm going to be just and will help the needy. Will that make me a bad person? Or fail on a spiritual level?

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            imrankhawaja
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            everybody have a greed/thirst of everything ..at smaller or higher scale..

            when you asking power indirectly you are asking for money too ;D

            some have thirst of money
            some have thirst of power
            some have thirst of love for spouse&kids
            some have thirst of love for parents & siblings
            some have thirst of peace
            some have thirst of knowledge
            some have thirst of singing/acting/celebrity
            some have thirst of finding God and wish to talk with him..( the most beautiful and higher level of wish)

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              amin
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              Life is not only money, its a mixture of different elements of nature that makes us peacefull in this world, not everyone gets everything looks to be the rule of nature, but everything is equally important, so saints and prophets has asked us to practice the art of giving, Islamic Zakat, fasting, prayer, Hajj(pilgrimage) etc too comes under this but i think not perfectly practiced and most eastern religions do have these in their own forms.

              Imran, A learned person even if he doesnt have the money could be the controller of the rich or powerfull? This is life and God's plan )

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                reel
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                Man Of Faith, it is our attitude towards work that needs adjusting before we can willingly adjust the wealth.

                We put jobs on a ladder of our made up status. We do not respect certain jobs that are necessary and need doing everyday and give them to lesser status people. We arrogantly lord it upon each other and put classes and races in order of delusion and injustice.

                I agree with that so much. What's worse is that our parents teach us about what a low job is. It is just so universal. Perhaps, they do this to make sure that we choose something better for our careers, but it is sad that there are even jokes about low paying jobs. People don't consider how some of them can be physically stressful.

                For example many people clean at home ,but how many are willing to do the job of cleaner. Granted certain jobs require a lot of study and training like doctors ,teachers etc... But still one should have the attitude that all jobs that are necessary and beneficial need respect.

                Very true. I kind of like how in California low paying jobs are always redefined. The message promoted is that you can turn the lowest of the lowest jobs into successful money making machines. Almost everyday, people are coming out to tell their stories about how a simple talent turned them into millionaires. Its pretty cool and inspiring.

                Also ,some people are lazy and irresponsible others are in between and others are hard working and responsible.An attitude of mind that says we should all try our best in our jobs is also required.

                Not easy brother, which ever way we look at it ,is it?
                GOD bless you.
                Peace.

                What frustrates me the most is constant complaining about how someone's job is not satisfying. I have told some of those people that they don't have to bear the stress and that they are capable of being in the driver's seat. Not a single person gave it a thought. They continue being whiners despite having the ability to do something on their own.

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                  huruf
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                  These reflections are very interesting.

                  To me they recall the spiritual teachhing of prophets and any person who has really become a conscious spiritual person. The highest spiritual stage is that of service.

                  To serve is the highest spiritual grade. Prophets coe as mercy to people and they serve people. If we understood our work and jobs as service, as the supreme value we might be saner and hape. Of course there is a mtter of justice in retribution and a series of social considerations besides the individual abilities. All abilities deserve respect. They are our gift og God to best serve.

                  However the explicit or implicit menssage in all soccieties or almost is that service is the lowest of low. Till we do not overturn that shaytanic concept we will not be happy workers, servants.

                  Of course what reel says is tru also, we should be conscious that our service is good, that it is not humilliating but heplpful and worth. But WE MUST accept the premise that work is service, that serving is a gift of God and privilege.

                  Salaam

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                    virginia
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                    Man Of Faith, it is our attitude towards work that needs adjusting before we can willingly adjust the wealth.

                    We put jobs on a ladder of our made up status. We do not respect certain jobs that are necessary and need doing everyday and give them to lesser status people. We arrogantly lord it upon each other and put classes and races in order of delusion and injustice.

                    For example many people clean at home ,but how many are willing to do the job of cleaner. Granted certain jobs require a lot of study and training like doctors ,teachers etc... But still one should have the attitude that all jobs that are necessary and beneficial need respect.

                    Also ,some people are lazy and irresponsible others are in between and others are hard working and responsible.An attitude of mind that says we should all try our best in our jobs is also required.

                    God bless you and your wise words, good logic peace

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                      Jafar
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                      i already had my lesson when i lost almost all the savings of my life in stock exchange.. approx 8 years ago
                      only the big crocodiles make money from money... small crocodiles like us are not strong to hold the pressure of strange waters and the power of big crocodiles..

                      earning/saving money is one of the hardest task of life..

                      Well who said that it's easy?
                      First you don't succeed then try again...
                      Don't focus on money when you're starting an enterprise.. focus on value creation and fulfillment of society needs...

                      Lost all savings in stock exchange? really? you must be a day trader, buy and sell daily and buying risky yet potential shares (no risk no gain).
                      Buy something stable and hold it for long term..
                      Or put your money in Mutual Fund and let other people manage it for you.

                      Earning money is not the hardest task in life...
                      money / currency has no real value.. it come and goes..
                      How you earn and spend is more important / the activity of value giving that goes along with the exchange of money...

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                        Man_of_Faith
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                        Lost all on stock exchange. Did you use all money on one company?

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                          imrankhawaja
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                          @ mof yes it was my mistake , i take all the shares of one company with my all investment and suddenly the company start falling.. the face value of one share was 40 pak rs and when the freezing cap open the value of share was something liek 5 pak rs.. (before that the company was rising from 28 to 40 i was thinking it will go more up but unfortuntely the very same day when i buy shares the graph suddenly fall (when there is no buyers and the line of sellers is there u cant sale your shares its called freezing cap)..when the cap was open the value dcrease to 5 rs...bad experience anyway..

                          @ jaffar yeh it was daily sale purchase of shares on trading terminal..

                          somedays ago somebody make a thread about the money power ,the half of money is in the hands of 1% people of world..

                          they know how to make money from money.. they are experienced in making it , we are not. if we try to do it most of the times big fishes of this field swallow you..

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                            reel
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                            somedays ago somebody make a thread about the money power ,the half of money is in the hands of 1% people of world..

                            they know how to make money from money.. they are experienced in making it , we are not. if we try to do it most of the times big fishes of this field swallow you..

                            My cousin lost $300,000 in stock exchange. It was all his parents' money which he never returned despite later buying his own coal mine and starting a bank.

                            You can always start all over again. Try the conservative method. Buy stocks only from businesses which won't die anytime soon like coca cola, pepsi, p&g, unilever, etc. They are usually present in almost every country. Bonds are cool also.

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                              Jafar
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                              @ jaffar yeh it was daily sale purchase of shares on trading terminal..

                              somedays ago somebody make a thread about the money power ,the half of money is in the hands of 1% people of world..

                              they know how to make money from money.. they are experienced in making it , we are not. if we try to do it most of the times big fishes of this field swallow you..

                              Money doesn't have any value.. it's the experience on earning and spending money that count... how you earn and spend..
                              The business that you start, the customer which needs fulfilled by you, the employee which daily lives depends on you, the supplier which lives depends on you the entire ecosystems....

                              50% of money of the world belong to 1% of population?
                              I doubt that's true.. the truth is.. 100% of money belong to "Money Issuer" (Government of the issuing currency) and in one specific case "Cartel of Private Bankers" (US and their Federal Reserve)
                              What's good of 1000 of GBP when suddenly Bank of England decided to pump / issue new 1 Zillion of GBP into the market? (a.k.a Sudden Hyper Inflation)
                              Your 1000 of GBP might only worth one ice cream... )

                              The hardest thing in life is to let go of the things that you have..
                              Losing money, business, company, property, people that you dear the most and finally your own life...
                              What's staying is the experience.. the memory of the experience....

                              https//www.memorymuseum.net/quotes/confucius-quotes/confucius-quotes-3.jpg

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                                imrankhawaja
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                                The hardest thing in life is to let go of the things that you have..
                                Losing money, business, company, property, people that you dear the most and finally your own life...

                                yeh its true and interesting read..brother jaffar

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                                  Farhana_Nikhat
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                                  sun This endless space is GOD. Not like person. Inter atomic space/inter molecular space, space between celestial bodies. Every one is energized through this space.

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                                    Jafar
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                                    sun This endless space is GOD. Not like person. Inter atomic space/inter molecular space, space between celestial bodies. Every one is energized through this space.

                                    This Space and Time (we now understand that Space and Time is intertwined with each others) is also God's creation..
                                    God doesn't have a limitation of space and time like we or other thing in this universe do.....
                                    The true God that is....

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                                      Man_of_Faith
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                                      He wrote endless. In general it was a very wise statement.

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                                        imrankhawaja
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                                        sun This endless space is GOD.

                                        the endless space is a creation of God... not God

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                                          Man_of_Faith
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                                          the endless space is a creation of God... not God

                                          It is an expression OF God, i.e. in essence it is God.

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