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    Hi welcome to the forum handshake

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      I didn't intend to make a prayer-thread here but I have some suggestions
      Verse 12100 says
      wakharroo lahu sujjadan = they fell down to him prostrating
      even if here "sujjadan" were just meant as "submit to the will of another", there is still a real physical act with the intention to submit. Interestingly in my english translation the parents are not raised upon the throne. And it says "they all" (so perhaps also his brothers) fell on their knees.

      12100 He helped his parents to a couch, and they all fell on their knees and prostrated themselves before him.

      then Verse 1958
      kharroo sujjadan = they fell prostrating

      For when the revelations of the Merciful were recited to them they fell down on their knees in tears and adoration.

      and 3215 (Surah As-Sajda!)
      kharroo sujjadan = fall down prostrating

      None believes in Our revelations save those who, when reminded of them, prostrate themselves in adoration and give glory to their Lord in all humility; who forsake their beds to pray to their Lord in fear and hope; who give in alms from what We gave them. No mortal knows what bliss will be in store for these as a reward for their labours.

      They leave their bed to pray. So that is surely a physical prayer. But not a ritual in that sense that every detail is exactly fixed.

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        I didn't intend to make a prayer-thread here but I have some suggestions
        Verse 12100 says
        wakharroo lahu sujjadan = they fell down to him prostrating
        even if here "sujjadan" were just meant as "submit to the will of another", there is still a real physical act with the intention to submit. Interestingly in my english translation the parents are not raised upon the throne. And it says "they all" (so perhaps also his brothers) fell on their knees.

        12100 He helped his parents to a couch, and they all fell on their knees and prostrated themselves before him.

        then Verse 1958
        kharroo sujjadan = they fell prostrating

        For when the revelations of the Merciful were recited to them they fell down on their knees in tears and adoration.

        and 3215 (Surah As-Sajda!)
        kharroo sujjadan = fall down prostrating

        None believes in Our revelations save those who, when reminded of them, prostrate themselves in adoration and give glory to their Lord in all humility; who forsake their beds to pray to their Lord in fear and hope; who give in alms from what We gave them. No mortal knows what bliss will be in store for these as a reward for their labours.

        They leave their bed to pray. So that is surely a physical prayer. But not a ritual in that sense that every detail is exactly fixed.

        The root word Ra-Fa-Ayn (the 1st word of 12100) defines to = to raise/uplift/elevate etc.
        The root word Ra-Fa-Dal defines to = help/aid, give, to make a present etc.

        I see you're using R J Dawood's translation, for some reason it has brackets "(draft)" next to his name, when I looked it up on islamawakened website quran corpus.
        Also, he's the only one using the word "help" on islamawakaned quran corpus.

        Free-minds Quran translation for 3216 goes as follow
        Their sides readily forsake their beds, to call on their Lord out of fear and hope, and from Our provisions to them they give.

        The root word Dal-Ayn-Waw defines to = to seek, desire, ask, demand, call upon, invoke, ascribe, cry out, call out to, pray, supplicate.

        It just depends on what you mean by physical. Getting out of bed is being physical in a sense that you're moving yourself out of bed.
        Root word definitions help with understanding.

        I recommend Free-minds translation. It was refreshing to see the "surahs/chapters" not being named. In the original Quran copy there wouldn't be names of each chapter/surah and their translation, they were man made to help the reader.

        God knows best,

        God bless you, and peace.

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