Can Ants Talk?

good_logic

Peace

You say,quote
(Not you Good_logic, hopefully)You do not observe salat, you do not give the zakah, you do not fast, you make distinction between the messengers of God, you deny Hell etc.....

Now,what good does observing salat,giving zakat and what you mention above is ,if the main command of Love thy neighbour and do good is missing?
You know brother that "Traditional Islam" has turned the deen on its head and made "rituals" the most important factors of the deen!!!!
Please do not tell me you believe Islam has 5 pillars as well?
I do not see it in Qoran, perhaps the goat that ate the "stoning "verse has ate them verses with it?

GOD,in Qoran keeps insisting that good works,good conduct and intentions and good morals are the fundamentals.
Ask them where are the pillars of love, Justice,patience,forgiveness, doing good deeds...are?These are the real winners at GOD.

Or if you have your truth, keep ramming it down the throats of people and keep insisting on your wayand see where that leads you to?

I do not see GOD enforcing anything on anyone? I see GOD keeping a promise of "Faman Shaa Fal Umin Waman Shaa Fal Yakfur" Whoever wants to believe...And whoever wants to disbelieve...

I know I have a lot in common with you even if you disagree. I see no difference between us if we both accept GOD Alone as the sole authority of the deen. The rest is irrelevant, like different tastes and different fashions.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Novice

Now,what good does observing salat,giving zakat and what you mention above is ,if the main command of Love thy neighbour and do good is missing?

Well said GL that is the essence of the message.

You know brother that "Traditional Islam" has turned the deen on its head and made "rituals" the most important factors of the deen!!!!

Thanks to the wisdom of Shaafi and Hanbal and force of the king Mutawakkal.

Please do not tell me you believe Islam has 5 pillars as well?
I do not see it in Qoran, perhaps the goat that ate the "stoning "verse has ate them verses with it?

I guess that amazing goat eat a lot of stuff.

I do not see GOD enforcing anything on anyone? I see GOD keeping a promise of "Faman Shaa Fal Umin Waman Shaa Fal Yakfur" Whoever wants to believe...And whoever wants to disbelieve...

Allow me to add

Shabbir Ahmed (Quran As It Explains Itself)
2256 (Although this message has been sent down by the Almighty) there is absolutely no compulsion or coercion in Religion. The right direction has been made distinct from error. So, whoever rejects false gods (such as the clergy, human ?authorities?) and attains conviction in God, has grasped the Unbreakable Support. God is Hearer, Knower.167

Peace.

HP_TECH

Really? And how well are you loving your neighbor in this forum when you constantly make assumptions about him and derive strawman arguments for yourself about his statements? That's hypocritical at best.
You preach one thing but then do another.

Give me my due love and respect and wait for me to further explicate my position and do not make ill assumptions about me if love thy neighbor is truly your deen.

And as long as you respond with paragraphs filled with exclamation marks and questions which you then answer yourself, I am not even going to dignify this nonsense with a response as they are all derived from a clear strawman argument.
I never mentioned any pillars or any goats and you are insulting me thus. Shame on you for preaching love and attempting to ridicule me with fallacious arguments.

Rather answer this are you arguing with me that those things, which I previously mentioned, are not part of the duties of one who has submitted?

(If I were to respond to this question of mine above and for example say "My that is absurd GL! Or My how lost you are!" Then I would be assuming before giving you a chance to respond that you disagree with me. Of course this would give me an advantage of seemingly creating an argument for you which is weak and from which I can further criticize you and accuse you of things which I made up myself about you. That is a strawman argument and that is what you did. Your avatar name is good logic yet your arguments as we face one another more and more are proving to be fallacious and illogic. I will not make a strawman out of this question of mine, because I at this time do not want to assume you disagree with that question)

Where do you see Love thy neighbor in Quran as a commandment, my friend stop making inventions. If you have a point to make to ME from now on do not dare paraphrase Quran or do not dare provide your butchered transliterations bring clear verses so that you and I can both verify the truth and learn.

Sure, righteous deeds salihati do encompass kindness and such as we all understand from many examples of how prophets and believers interacted, but kindness and showing of love are merely not enough to attain salvation and you KNOW this.
Ibrahim in fact told his people( the idol worshippers) that they only take the idols as gods for love among themselves in the life of the world. So love among people is merely a trivial thing if the deeds and intentions are not directed towards God's commandments and deen.

2925
http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=29&verse=25

One can love their neighbors all their life but if they so deny Allah, His Angels, His Messengers, His Books, The Last Day then their deeds WILL be in VAIN.

So do not make inventions about Allah's deen trying to please your Christian wife and family. The truth stands whether it pleases you or not.

True Faith is essential and the practice of prayer, and spending out of what Allah provides is also essential in remaining steadfast

good_logic

Peace HP_TECH.
Now I am addressing you directly brother .
In my last post I was talking generally about "what good are the rituals you mentioned if the good deeds and the good conduct are missing. My "you" was a general you of those who have the wrong priorities and insist on their ways.

Please read my post again and see if I am addressing HP_TECH,I am merely commenting on your quote in general.

I notice that you do not like what I say. I am fine with it.
I also notice that you are not happy with me. That is also fine with me since I must have been the cause of your annoyance. I even apologise to you . I do not intend nor mean to be personal or annoying to anybody.

However I stick with the priorities and my belief that good deeds and good conduct are the basis of the Deen.
And that GOD Alone is "Maliki Yawmu Deen". GOD Alone is the judge of the Deen. It is between GOD and the individual(GOD s servant).
You (yes you brother HP_TECH ) and me and anyone else are not "wakeels" of others.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Noon_waalqalami

On the day of resurrection your hands and feet will bear witness against you if you should be among the losers. Do you then doubt that He could make an ant speak?

3665 this day we seal on mouths theirs and communicate us hands theirs and it witness feet theirs in what be they of earning

4121 and say they of to skins theirs not witness you upon us said they of made speak us the god the one makes speak each thing and he creation yours initial instance and toward him thou returning 4122 and not be you covering lest witnessed upon you hearing yours and not vision yours and not skins yours and however assumed you that the god not knoweth much of from what thou working

Peace ? those are allegories similar to 538 ... so severs ye of hands (i.e. actions) theirs dual... as are most verses pertaining to the afterlife and not about "ants" speaking to humans and vice versa; read in context 2718... O you... that is human to human communication.

https//s26.postimg.org/avhdd882x/MA_VI_165_Quran_ch24v21-27.jpg

HP_TECH

Ok back to the topic

The Quran never made the claim that animals can speak as we speak.
However the Quran does state that animals do have their own languages and they have communities just like ours but we just do not understand their speech or method of communication.

That being said it is quite clear that Sulaiman was made to understand the speech of the ant, not that the ant spoke as a human for all to understand.

Reasoning skills in this forum are rock bottom, truly.

Noon,

1)With which reasoning do you claim they are allegorical?

2)Why can these verses not be literal in your reasoning?

3)In addition, just because you claim something is allegorical, it doesn't make it so.

4)Bring intelligible arguments if you want to hold a n intelligent conversation.

5)I have read YOUR translations, they do not alter the possibility of a literal interpretation whatsoever.

6)You have no knowledge of what is to come. You have not yet seen the punishment of your Lord, yet you deny that which you have no knowledge of. bravo

7)There is no way you can sit here and claim in absolutism that those verses are allegorical as it is quite clear that they can very well be literal or even both.

Whether allegorical or not, it is not implausible.

Noon_waalqalami

Reasoning skills in this forum are rock bottom, truly...

1)With which reasoning do you claim they are allegorical?

2)Why can these verses not be literal in your reasoning?

3)In addition, just because you claim something is allegorical, it doesn't make it so.

The afterlife is allegoric and resembles this life.

1335 similitude the garden the one promise the righteous being flow from underneath it the rivers fruit its lasts and shade its those end the ones fear they of and end the rejecters the fire

4)Bring intelligible arguments if you want to hold a n intelligent conversation.

Taking verses about the afterlife has nothing to do neither mention ants talking.

Do you believe ants recognize humans and l-hud'huda was talking doo doo bird?

5)I have read YOUR translations, they do not alter the possibility of a literal interpretation whatsoever.

The afterlife there is nothing like it on this earth only similitude.

6)You have no knowledge of what is to come. You have not yet seen the punishment of your Lord, yet you deny that which you have no knowledge of. bravo

Where exactly was that stated -- please quote me?

7)There is no way you can sit here and claim in absolutism that those verses are allegorical as it is quite clear that they can very well be literal or even both.

4715 similitude the garden the one promise the righteous being therein rivers from water other than polluted and rivers from milk not it changed taste its and rivers from inebriant delicious to the drinkers and rivers from honey pure and for them therein from each the fruits and forgiveness from lord theirs like who he eternally in the fire and given they of water scalding liquid of so sever guts theirs

Whether allegorical or not, it is not implausible.

Is what not implausible/plausible (in context) that they came upon valley of underground dwellers or that actual "ants/bugs" recognize human names, soldiers, etc., and what is the point of that?

2718 until when come they of on wdi/valley l-namli/the ants said (f) namlatun/ant (f) O you l-namlu/the ants enters ye of dwelling place yours not crushed you Suleiman and soldiers his and they not realizing 2719 so smiled laughingly from speech hers and said lord grants me that I thank favor your the one favors it upon me and upon parents dual mine and that does righteous of please you and enters me by mercy your in devotees your the righteous 2720 and inspect the bird/flyer (cavalry) so said what for me not seen l-hud'huda or be from/among the absent

Peace!

reel

According to the Qur'an, ants can talk! Don't forget, if you deny this you will burn in Hell for all of eternity.

"Until, when they came upon the valley of the ants, an ant said, "O ants, enter your dwellings that you not be crushed by Solomon and his soldiers while they perceive not."

rotfl rotfl rotfl

Ants do not have speech like humans..lol!
And they don't recognise people famous or otherwise! ;D

Oh yes,

there is only one language and communication method in the world and that is limited to humans only
no creature ever went extinct
we know everything about ants
evolution is completely false just as I thought some years ago
science has got everything right just like science of hadiths because scholars said so
anyone who disagrees with them, questions their research or looks to do independent study is an infidel.

Prophet Richard Dawkins (may peace be upon him) said about infidels, "Mock them, Ridicule them in public".

Prophet Richard Dawkins (may peace be upon him) said about infidels, "Ridicule is the best response, never violence. Laugh at them, mock their ridiculous beliefs, do what Charlie Hebdo did. Never use violence".

That hadith comes also from Muhammad. So we know it is sahih and part of the religion.

HP_TECH

1)With which reasoning do you claim they are allegorical?

2)Why can these verses not be literal in your reasoning?

3)In addition, just because you claim something is allegorical, it doesn't make it so.

The afterlife is allegoric and resembles this life.
1335 similitude the garden the one promise the righteous being flow from underneath it the rivers fruit its lasts and shade its those end the ones fear they of and end the rejecters the fire

Again, you are making the same mistake. You are making fallacious statements and assuming they are absolute.
1)It is incorrect to state that the afterlife is allegoric. That does not even make sense. How can any form of existence be allegoric? This alone makes half of the statement fallacious.
2)It would be plausible to state that the afterlife resembles this life
3)If your claim is that everything pertaining to the afterlife that is cited in the Quran is allegoric then it is a whole different story and we can further address it on the next correspondence.
4)If I can jump into conclusion for argumentation sake I would say that, even if your claim is as above in 3), you still do not have a valid citation to support it. 1335 is a mere SIMILITUDE for the garden. The affair of hands speaking is in relation to Judgement which would occur prior to assigning souls into the garden or fire. Furthermore, nowhere does the Quran state that the entire afterlife has been cited as allegorical. That is merely your assumption, ?you do not have evidence to support it,? and 1335 is certainly not evidence.

Taking verses about the afterlife has nothing to do neither mention ants talking.

Yes this is a bit beyond the scope of the OP, but that is because you contested the literality of the verses I cited. So I am proving to you that those verses that I cited are very literal and have no reason to not be taken as such whatsoever, unless your paradigm differs completely from the deen that is. Meaning you want to claim anything you do not agree with can be allegoric, which is exactly what the disbelievers in 37 act like, so beware brother.

Do you believe ants recognize humans and l-hud'huda was talking doo doo bird HOOPOE not doo doo bird?

The question is not about whether ants can recognize humans, that is irrelevant and not provable. And that is the point, it was a clear miracle/sign, favor from His Lord. Allah made the ant?s communication (perhaps not in words but beyond your comprehension) with the other ants comprehensible(maybe or maybe not literally audible) to Sulaiman. There is no need to question whether ants can talk, that is irrelevant and not what the ayaat is conveying.
Sulaiman seat of power/autority was so renown even ants feared him. I believe animals are more intelligent than you give them due. Ants do not need to recognize faces to know that the mobilizing forces of men, jinn and birds( which probably also prey on them and may probably also communicate to them) belong to Sulaiman.

Do you think animals even lack THAT basic capacity of intelligence? In fact, your Lord claims otherwise.
I feel this ayaat is 100% relevant and for the kufar(regarding this miracle) who dispute concerning the verses of my Lord.
http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=6&verse=38#(63811)
638
And not any animal in the earth and not a bird (that) flies with its wings - but (are) communities like you. We have not neglected in the Book anything, then to their Lord they will be gathered.

Communities like you, Noon. Do not dispute the verses of your Lord, without knowledge, brother.

How well do you know Quran, Noon?
http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=27&verse=16#(2716
2716
And inherited Sulaiman Dawood. And he said, "O people! We have been taught (the) language (of) the birds, and we have been from every thing. Indeed, this surely, it (is) the favor evident.

Why then do you wonder at Sulaiman communicating with a hoopoe?

Why do you people conceal the truth? Do you not fear? Or do you think you are superior in intelligence and you are driven to soundness by your own desires?

The afterlife there is nothing like it on this earth only similitude.

And I do not completely disagree with this statement Noon. However, it does not mean that everything the Quran says about the Hereafter is allegorical. That is a bias and evidence-less assumption.

6)You have no knowledge of what is to come. You have not yet seen the punishment of your Lord, yet you deny that which you have no knowledge of. bravo
Where exactly was that stated -- please quote me?

My point brother, is that you have no ladder to reach the heavens , nor have you any listener to hear thereby, nor do you have knowledge of the Unseen, yet you profess obstinately that the ?afterlife is allegorical? (I still assume that you mean that the Quran describes Paradise and Hell allegorically and not literally). You have no factual evidence to prove that neither by experience, nor by contextual Scriptural evidence.

7)There is no way you can sit here and claim in absolutism that those verses are allegorical as it is quite clear that they can very well be literal or even both.
4715 similitude the garden the one promise the righteous being therein rivers from water other than polluted and rivers from milk not it changed taste its and rivers from inebriant delicious to the drinkers and rivers from honey pure and for them therein from each the fruits and forgiveness from lord theirs like who he eternally in the fire and given they of water scalding liquid of so sever guts theirs

Brother I know you can read. Similitude of the garden. Not of the afterlife. And while this description may be a similitude, it does not mean the rest of the descriptions of the gardens or the afterlife in general for that matter are similitudes! There are plenty of descriptions of the gardens and hell which are bereft of similitudes. You need a better argument and evidence than this, if you want to make the fallacious and erroneous claim that every description in the Quran of the HereAfter is allegorical.

Is what not implausible/plausible (in context) that they came upon valley of underground dwellers or that actual "ants/bugs" recognize human names, soldiers, etc., and what is the point of that?

2718 until when come they of on wdi/valley l-namli/the ants said (f) namlatun/ant (f) O you l-namlu/the ants enters ye of dwelling place yours not crushed you Suleiman and soldiers his and they not realizing 2719 so smiled laughingly from speech hers and said lord grants me that I thank favor your the one favors it upon me and upon parents dual mine and that does righteous of please you and enters me by mercy your in devotees your the righteous 2720 and inspect the bird/flyer (cavalry) so said what for me not seen l-hud'huda or be from/among the absent

Peace!

You?ve asked me the same thing twice, basically so expect a SIMILITUDE in response.
The question is not about whether ants can recognize humans, that is irrelevant and not provable. And that is the point, it was a clear miracle/sign, favor from His Lord. Allah made the ant?s communication (perhaps not in words but beyond your comprehension) with the other ants comprehensible(maybe or maybe not literally audible) to Sulaiman.
The point is obvious! Do you really have to wonder? It is a miraculous, marvelous thing that even an ant should know and fear the power and authority that Sulaiman had reached.

And if you recall Sulaiman turned to His Lord in penitence and supplicated for a kingdom like no one would inherit after him. So Allah granted him, many miraculous things, the wind blowing gently by his command, jinns/shaytans who worked for him and built things, splendor, riches and commanding wisdom. I can see that this moment may have been the moment of realization of the fulfillment of what he has supplicated His Lord for. Which is why he smiled and was amused. How wonderful is Allah, that he should make His servant even hear an ant speak about him in grandeur?

If you cannot see the point in that, then turn off the laptop, grab your prayer mat, open up The Book, start from chapter 1 and read through chapter 114 day by day, in humility and supplication and ask the Lord to guide you to the correct interpretation.

1)Or rather do you believe that Sulaiman the wise and righteous king ruler would laugh at the speech of a woman in distress and fearful of being trampled by him and his forces? How ill of a conclusion would that be to arrive to!
2)And how can human beings be trampled unknowingly?
3)The pictures you have provided do not show an underground valley, it is clearly visible. So your theory is not feasible.
4)What concrete evidence do you have from archeology that such a civilization existed contemporary to Sulaiman and neighboring his kingdom?
5)There is clearly more conjecture and assumptions to pile up in your theory. It is a clear parsimony. Ever heard of Occam?s razor? You have to assume too many entities in your theory
6)You have to assume the existence of a civilization of peoples not mentioned anywhere in Scripture before, neither Torah, nor Gospel (nor Quran, for that matter other than only this one voluntarily misinterpreted verse)
7)You have to disregard that nowhere in Quran are any other tribes referred to grammatically as you are assuming these verses are (al-namli al-namlu , namlatun) See if any tribe of peoples have similar grammatical/morphological structure to refer to the tribe or an individual of the tribe. I suspect you will utterly fail in that endeavor.
You have to assume that these people were living underground to circumvent the issue of the apprehension of being crushed by Sulaiman and his hosts while they did not perceive
9)You have to assume that Sulaiman was sadistic enough to smile and laugh at defenseless people fleeing from fear of being trampled by his forces.

10)There are simply too many ridiculous assumptions you have to make to support your theory. It?s simply complete parsimony.

The simple answer, theory is that it was an ant period.
It is clear Arabic.
l-namli/namlu. ANTS.
namlatun. AN ANT.

It's not rocket surgery.

This is basically the rationale of all of you who conceal the truth within yourselves about this matter (which I warn you from ever doing again)

?Oh they are called ants, their description and behavior sound just like ants, they even have habitations in the ground, just like ants, but you know what, since Quran says that the ant spoke to the other ants and Sulaiman heard the speech, then it?s gotta be human beings. It just cannot be ants at this point. I mean yeah, they sound just like ants in every respect, but they are not ya know, because I just REFUSE to believe in an incomprehensible miracle, which I did not witness and especially which does not coincide with my preconceived biases and does not coincide with (what I perceive as)modern standards of logic nor with a reality that is acceptable by western standards. Go progress, go westerndom!?

You just want your own version of Islam and you want it to appeal to atheists and westerners and whom you deem as logical and rational intellectuals/ scientists... that is what I suspect is behind your motives in truth. The price is too great and your profit is little. Refrain from this mentality and thinking if you are truly believers.

If you think you are on something then I call out any of the kufar laughing and ridiculing Quran and the purest interpretation to honestly analyze the entirety of this composition and try to refute it, with proper evidence as I have done.

reel

Do you believe ants recognize humans and l-hud'huda was talking doo doo bird?

I wouldn't underestimate them. Birds are still used for spying

Of the many military projects conducted by ABE, those involving birds were among the most intriguing.

Birds were used to save lives, as shown in the Rescue Birds page, but they were also used for reconnaissance and espionage. ABE used pigeons, ravens, and crows for this work. For example, birds were taught to deliver or pick up packages from windowsills or similar locations. They were directed to the appropriate location with a laser pointer. ABE was among the first company to use large laser pointers as they became available. Today, a key feature of Robert Baileys workshops is teaching chickens to follow a target in the form of a red-dot delivered by a laser-pointer.

Other projects involved teaching ravens standing on exterior building ledges to take pictures of the interior rooms of the building. The raven would carry in its mouth a small camera that was triggered whenever the camera was pushed against the window pane. The exact location of this window was also indicated to the bird with a laser pointer.

In another body of work, pigeons were trained to detect ambushes and snipers hiding along well-traveled roads. This work was conducted during the Vietnam era. The bird was launched from a transport vehicle and flew ahead on the road. Attached to the bird was a device that continued to send a radio signal back to the vehicle as long as the bird was flying. If the bird detected a sniper on the side of the road, the bird would alight nearby. This would turn off the radio signal traveling back to the transport vehicle and indicate to the person monitoring the radio signal that the bird had stopped flying and probably had detected a person hiding on the side of the road. These demonstrations were remarkable in that they indicated that these birds could accurately discriminate persons from the surrounding environment even when these persons were well-hidden in the underbrush. Further, these birds could discriminate persons lying in wait from ordinary citizens walking along the road, which might be the situation in an environment like Vietnam.
http//www3.uca.edu/iqzoo/Exhibits/spy_raven.htm

There are almost 22,000 species of ants in the world. Apparently, they had Internet long before humans made one

Harvester ants use their own internet for hive-mind decision making

Harvester ant colonies are able to decide how many foragers they need to send out of the nest by using a protocol system that's eerily similar to the one IT professionals use to determine how much bandwidth is available on the internet. This so-called "anternet" apparently proves that ant decision-making and behavior is regulated by a sophisticated set of algorithms that have evolved over the course of millions of years ? algorithms that we ourselves have only recently discovered.

The research was conducted by Stanford ant biologist Deborah Gordon and computer scientist Balaji Prabhakar, whose findings were recently published in PLOS. Prabhakar was brought on board to see if he could find any correlations between ant behavior and computer science. After some preliminary observations he quickly realized that the ants were essentially using the same algorithm that describes TCP, the Transmission Control Protocol. TCP is used to discover how much bandwidth is available for transferring a file. But instead of bandwidth, the ants are using their own version of TCP to determine how much food is available based on the reports coming back from foraging ants.

TCP was an important breakthrough that allowed information technologists to take the internet from a few dozen nodes to the billions currently in use today. It works by transferring a file from a source to the destination in a series of packets. The source is continually informed by the destination as to when the packets have arrived. So, if it's taking too long, there must not be much bandwidth available, and the source will re-adjust by decreasing the rate of packet transmission ? what's referred to as throttling.

As it turns out, the ants are doing exactly the same thing ? but they're not looking to throttle data, they're looking to control the release of forager ants.

A forager harvester ant will only return to the colony after it finds some food. Thus, if there's lots of food in the immediate environment, the number of ants returning with positive food messages will be high; but if there's little to no food around, very few ants will be transmitting their acknowledgement messages back to the colony. So, with a returning ant frequency established, the colony can adjust the forager throttle accordingly. When there's more food available, the hive mind releases more ants given the confirmed presence of food.

It's worth noting that harvester ants do not use pheromone trails, and that they transmit information to each other using their antennae.

In the study, the researchers did not specify why the ants did not increase their foraging activities in consideration of trace amounts of food. One possible explanation is that the colony trusts the data coming back from the foragers, and that sending more foragers would simply be a waste of time and energy.

As for testing this theory, Prabhaker wrote an algorithm to predict the foraging behavior of ants depending on the amount of food available. It turned out that his ant-algorithm was almost identical to TCP. Moreover, he discovered that ants follow two other aspects of TCP, namely slow start phases (where a source sends out a large wave of packets at the beginning of a transmission to assess bandwidth), and a transmission time-out (where the source will stop sending out data packets (or ants) when a data transfer is broken or disrupted). In the latter case, ants will also stop sending out ants if, after 20 minutes, no foragers have returned to the nest.

https//io9.gizmodo.com/5938267/harvester-ants-use-their-own-internet-for-hive-mind-decision-making

Sometimes it is also possible to start understanding the language of specific animals if too much time is spent with them and strangely they share certain similarity with us. A cat can say "NO" politely by gently moving its tail left to right.

Jafar

I wouldn't underestimate them. Birds are still used for spying

Don't forget our dearest relatives, thought with 'sign language' they are proven to be able to talk, think, imagine/dream, recognize things and person just like their nearest (and more brutal) cousin, the human...

Koko a Gorilla
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=GorgFtCqPEs

Chantek, an orangutan
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=30WjdH7gy3Y

Sadly Chantek just passed away last month... Inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi raji'un

The_Sardar

Don't forget our dearest relatives, thought with 'sign language' they are proven to be able to talk, think, imagine/dream, recognize things and person just like their nearest (and more brutal) cousin, the human...

Koko a Gorilla
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=GorgFtCqPEs

Chantek, an orangutan
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=30WjdH7gy3Y

Sadly Chantek just passed away last month... Inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi raji'un

Oh poor Chantek may he/she rest in the Hereafter. What does that mean?

Jafar

"We belong to Allah and to Him we shall return." (2156)

imrankhawaja

peace all,

its worth noticing that some species of parrots speak exactly as human speak.. (some words) whatever u teach them

in old times people used pigeons to transfer message from one location to another..

dogs are used for hunting (mention in scripture)

dolphin (fish) respond on signals and even tell basic math like 2+2= 4 .. kind of stuff

about the story of suleman its not just hud hud, or ants communication but also the transfer of queen's throne from one location to another in the blink of eye. its not just easy to grasp but its also not impossible to happen..

monkey even ride a bicycle rotfl

mmkhan

Regardless of the 'language' or means of communication between ants...

How does the ants recognized a human by his name? (Solomon)
How does the ants recognized human by their profession (soldiers)

Maybe the ants befriended Solomon on his Facebook profile?
And within Solomon stated his profession as "King Of Israelites, commanding multitude of soldiers".

Salaamun,

I wanted to added one more question.

Even if the ant spoke to other ants, how did Sulaiman hear that communication?

Noon_waalqalami

1)It is incorrect to state that the afterlife is allegoric. That does not even make sense. How can any form of existence be allegoric? This alone makes half of the statement fallacious.
2)It would be plausible to state that the afterlife resembles this life
3)If your claim is that everything pertaining to the afterlife that is cited in the Quran is allegoric then it is a whole different story and we can further address it on the next correspondence.
4)If I can jump into conclusion for argumentation sake I would say that, even if your claim is as above in 3), you still do not have a valid citation to support it. 1335 is a mere SIMILITUDE for the garden. The affair of hands speaking is in relation to Judgement which would occur prior to assigning souls into the garden or fire. Furthermore, nowhere does the Quran state that the entire afterlife has been cited as allegorical. That is merely your assumption, ?you do not have evidence to support it,? and 1335 is certainly not evidence.
Yes this is a bit beyond the scope of the OP, but that is because you contested the literality of the verses I cited. So I am proving to you that those verses that I cited are very literal and have no reason to not be taken as such whatsoever, unless your paradigm differs completely from the deen that is. Meaning you want to claim anything you do not agree with can be allegoric, which is exactly what the disbelievers in 37 act like, so beware brother.

Peace, "hands speaking" if not allegoric tell us how "on this earth" -- those hands have mouths or perhaps Italian hands, capisci?

Sulaiman seat of power/autority was so renown even ants feared him.

638

638 and not from creature in the land and not irin/bird yaru/flyeth with wings two its except communities like you not neglect we of in the book from thing furthermore to lord theirs gathered being

Where does it say they understand human speech and know human names (i.e. strangers marching upon them) etc.,?

How well do you know Quran, Noon?
2716
Why then do you wonder at Sulaiman communicating with a hoopoe?

2716... know we of (plural) maniqa l-ayri

Who are the others (plural) mentioned in verse?
Who was l-hud'huda that said all this 2722-26?
Were ants mentioned, which word is languages?

2424 day it witness upon them alsinatuhum/the tongues/languages (sayings) theirs and hands (pledges) theirs and feet (deeds) theirs in what be they of working

1)Or rather do you believe that Sulaiman the wise and righteous king ruler would laugh at the speech of a woman in distress and fearful of being trampled by him and his forces? How ill of a conclusion would that be to arrive to!
2)And how can human beings be trampled unknowingly?
3)The pictures you have provided do not show an underground valley, it is clearly visible. So your theory is not feasible.

Peruse the word valley and fits perfectly in context they came upon "the valley the ants" (i.e. the valley of underground dwellers); she sounded call "not realizing" he meant them no harm.

2718 until when came they of on wdi/valley l-namli/the ants said (f) namlatun/ant (f) O you l-namlu/the ants enters ye of dwelling place yours not crushed you Suleiman and soldiers his and they not realizing

36 cities, largest housing 20,000 inhabitants, some are 400 meters (4 soccer fields) deep; 4,000+ years old.

http//sometimes-interesting.com/2014/05/09/derinkuyu-the-underground-cities-of-cappadocia/

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Salaamun,

I wanted to added one more question.

Even if the ant spoke to other ants, how did Sulaiman hear that communication?

Maybe his kingdom was more advanced? Maybe he had an app for it?

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Can't tell about ants at this time. They sure are a mystery still. Can't deny they are more complex and far more strategic than us humans but I heard some pets mentioning their owners' names. Needless to say the verse is speaking about female ant which can mean the queen of the hive. They are capable of living 30 years. Plus they say hive has its own mind. Not much has been studied about it despite simulation software available for it.

Makaveli

Maybe his kingdom was more advanced? Maybe he had an app for it?

You must be kidding... I won't be surprised if we will have the "sahih" animal translator in the future rotfl

On all seriouness, someone decipher the term ant using Lane or other old lexicons and stop this non-sense of a topic.

uq

I make the perfectly reasonable assumption that in 2718 refers to a species in the Formicidae family, i.e. the humble ant.

It is certain that ants communicate using sounds, vibrations, and pheromones. The exact nature of this communication, and its meaning is as yet unknown. Although, it is safe to assume that ants communicate for survival purposes, such as indicating to other ants the location of food, communicating their position in the hierarchy, communicating potential dangers from predators, communicating that they are in need of help, etc. These communications are not unique to ants, they can also be found among bees and birds.

What is important to bear in mind is that the entire lexicon of the ant vocabulary has not yet been decoded. There is still much to learn.

Consider the blackbird. It is not yet known by ornithologists why blackbirds burst into song at the two edges of the day and throughout the two twilights. Consider the sounds it produces. Consider how it chirrups, and chirps, and tweets, and sings. Consider how it produces approximately seven or eight distinct songs every minute. And most importantly, consider how the blackbird has never produced two songs that are the same each song that the blackbird produces is utterly unique and there has never been a recording of a blackbird singing the same song twice. Consider the magnitude of imaginative capability required to achieve such a feat and ask yourself if you are content with the explanation of random genetic aberrations.

Consider how we know very little, and resign yourself to the Grandest Designer.

https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmpEWlmgRxQ

"...and not a thing except that it glorifies in His praise"

HP_TECH

I make the perfectly reasonable assumption that in 2718 refers to a species in the Formicidae family, i.e. the humble ant.

It is certain that ants communicate using sounds, vibrations, and pheromones. The exact nature of this communication, and its meaning is as yet unknown. Although, it is safe to assume that ants communicate for survival purposes, such as indicating to other ants the location of food, communicating their position in the hierarchy, communicating potential dangers from prey, communicating that they are in need of help, etc. These communications are not unique to ants, they can also be found among bees and birds.

What is important to bear in mind is that the entire lexicon of the ant vocabulary has not yet been decoded. There is still much to learn.

Consider the blackbird. It is not yet known by ornithologists why blackbirds burst into song at the two edges of the day and throughout the two twilights. Consider the sounds it produces. Consider how it chirrups, and chirps, and tweets, and sings. Consider how it produces approximately seven or eight distinct songs every minute. And most importantly, consider how the blackbird has never produced two songs that are the same each song that the blackbird produces is utterly unique and there has never been a recording of a blackbird singing the same song twice. Consider the magnitude of imaginative capability required to achieve such a feat and ask yourself if you are content with the explanation of random genetic aberrations.

Consider how we know very little, and resign yourself to the Grandest Designer.

https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmpEWlmgRxQ

"...and not a thing except that it glorifies in His praise"

Well said uq.

Awesome of you to bring up the blackbird and its unique and intricate bird vocalization.
In my Evolutionary Biology course I was relentlessly unsatisfied with the haphazard explanations.
Most, if not all, of evolution(macroevolution), is ironically parsimony.

2179 And We gave understanding of it (to) Sulaiman, and (to) each We gave judgment and knowledge. And We subjected with Dawud the mountains (to) glorify Our praises and the birds. And We were the Doers.

2441 Do not you see that Allah - glorify Him whoever (is) in the heavens and the earth and the birds (with) wings outspread? Each one verily knows its prayer and its glorification. And Allah (is) All-Knower of what they do.

2717 And were gathered for Sulaiman his hosts of jinn and the men and the birds, and they (were) set in rows.

3410 And certainly, We gave Dawood from Us Bounty. "O mountains! Repeat praises with him, and the birds." And We made pliable for him iron,

3818-19 Indeed, We subjected the mountains with him glorifying in the evening and sunrise. And the birds assembled, all with him repeatedly turning.