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The Quran forbids sex slavery but hadith allow it

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    unknownuser
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    http//quransmessage.com/articles/sex%20with%20slave%20girls%20FM3.htm

    Can there possibly be any more proof of the infallibility of hadith?

    And isis following bukhari do the heinous acts. I know this may seem harsh for me to say, but how are traditional Muslims any different from isis if they both believe in bukhari.

    I know it's wrong to say it's not like all traditional Muslims today approve slavery, but they follow bukhari who does so that says a lot of them.

    I've come to the conclusion that all accounts of the prophetSAW and companions having sex slaves is false, something perhaps made up by Abbasid's for them to enjoy these heinous acts.

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      I am lately a lot of times wrong with my assumptions, but I have a feeling that you think slavery is ok as long as poor women don't get hurt.

      Not only the sex but also just having someone as a slave is already forbidden by Allah, that is called oppression and is a serious crime.
      No human has the right to enslave another human, even if it is the prophet himself.
      And this was also forbidden by Allah before the quran, it's an eternal law for whole mankind.

      It's maybe an idea to broaden a little bit more our sight, condemning half of the crime still leaves the other part a crime.

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        I am lately a lot of times wrong with my assumptions, but I have a feeling that you think slavery is ok as long as poor women don't get hurt.

        Not only the sex but also just having someone as a slave is already forbidden by Allah, that is called oppression and is a serious crime.
        No human has the right to enslave another human, even if it is the prophet himself.
        And this was also forbidden by Allah before the quran, it's an eternal law for whole mankind.

        It's maybe an idea to broaden a little bit more our sight, condemning half of the crime still leaves the other part a crime.

        NO not at all I'm not saying that. I'm just saying while the Book didn't forbid slavery (but discouraged it highly and told us to be good) but definately didn't allow free sex unlike these sectarians claim

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          Sometimes I feel like the Quran did end slavery (since it uses slaves in past tense) but muslims just brought it back

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            there is not any concept of slavery in system of peacemaking(islam) from adam untill today
            in both religious and political laws of peacemaking society /country/nation/race..
            peace

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              huruf
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              http//quransmessage.com/articles/sex%20with%20slave%20girls%20FM3.htm

              Can there possibly be any more proof of the infallibility of hadith?

              And isis following bukhari do the heinous acts. I know this may seem harsh for me to say, but how are traditional Muslims any different from isis if they both believe in bukhari.

              I know it's wrong to say it's not like all traditional Muslims today approve slavery, but they follow bukhari who does so that says a lot of them.

              I've come to the conclusion that all accounts of the prophetSAW and companions having sex slaves is false, something perhaps made up by Abbasid's for them to enjoy these heinous acts.

              To be taken into account that Qur'an orders to free slaves for different reasons, as amend, as good deed, etc. But every time it order to free slaves the word is never one of those that usually trnslators trnslate as slaves, particularly if it is women. When it speaks about freeing slaves it is always the word
              raqab, plural riqaab,
              it is never any of the other words translators and interpreters make into slaves

              If it is so important and meritorious to free slaves, why only one kind of slaves?

              Of course, only the word raqab means slave, the others mean something else.
              a mmalakat is somebody who is dependant on someboyd else who has him or her undeer his or her charge and both persons can be either male or female.In that, the writer of the article that you gave inthe link is right.

              However when he takes up other ayas he accepts trnaslations which are very much shocking, like for 24.33 and others. He is not the only one, of course, but it is still shocking.

              Salaam

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                NO not at all I'm not saying that. I'm just saying while the Book didn't forbid slavery (but discouraged it highly and told us to be good) but definately didn't allow free sex unlike these sectarians claim

                The book forbids every oppression, including slavery. Sex with slaves is just a crime on crime.

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