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    brook
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    #21

    Full moon is not equal to hot moon.

    You are right,
    hot moon is not equal to ANY one of the other 11 or 12 moons of the IDDAH (&#1577.
    The full phase of the hot moon is the first full moon after the summer solstice;
    plus, it is the largest and reddest of them all.

    Here are the times of its 9 appearances

    15 Jul. 2011
    03 Jul. 2012
    23 Jun 2013
    12 Jul. 2014
    02 Jul. 2015
    20 Jul. 2016
    09 Jul. 2017
    28 Jun 2018
    17 Jul. 2019

    2189
    They ask you regarding the crescents, say ?They provide a timing
    mechanism for the people and the Pilgrimage.? And piety is not
    that you would enter a home from its back, but piety is whoever
    is righteous and comes to the homes from their main doors. And
    be aware of God that you may succeed.

    And here we learn that the month begins with the first appearance of waxing crescent and not full moon.

    I don't understand.

    Did somebody say
    the month begins with the appearance of full moon?
    Who?

    As for the crescents mentioned in 2189,
    please remind yourself that they are not waxing
    but WAINING crescents.

    Proof

    Even in today's practice pilgrimage begins on Dhul Hijjah 10,
    which is nearly full moon
    and there are only WAINING crescents after Dhul Hijjah 10.

    In fact the ten-day period
    should begin with the full moon of Shahr Dhul Hijjah
    and end with the first waining crescent.

    O-----------D-) (This is the crescent which provides a timing mechanism for the pilgrimage)
    I---10 days--I

    Probably
    main doors of the homes stand for the full moons
    and back doors crescents.

    ... piety is whoever comes to the homes
    from their main doors.

    If it's merely solar or lunar and not both, we wouldn't know the timing of Ramadhan and we wouldn't know when the 1 extra lunar month is.

    You don't need the lunar year or the luni-solar year or the solar year in order to know when the 1 extra lunar month is. The only thing you need is a lunar calendar like this https//www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=2011&country=74

    Will you please study
    the hot full moon times
    I gave you.

    In 2014 the hot full moon arrived 19 days later than the previous hot full moon, which shows that there was an extra lunar month in the previous iddah and that 1 extra moon delayed the arrival of the 2014 moon. I underlined it for you.

    There are 2 more extra lunar months in the 10 iddahs, which you can easily spot and underline if you want.

    15 Jul. 2011
    03 Jul. 2012
    23 Jun 2013
    12 Jul. 2014
    02 Jul. 2015
    20 Jul. 2016
    09 Jul. 2017
    28 Jun 2018
    17 Jul. 2019

    If you don't believe calendars, you can look up at a hot full moon when it appears, note the time it appears and if it has appeared 19 days later than the previous one you can know that there was 1 extra lunar month in the previous iddah.

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      Salem5
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      #22

      I serve God alone not the sun not the moon.

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        Noon_waalqalami
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        If you don't believe calendars, you can look up at a hot full moon when it appears

        Peace brook, it's simple i.e. count only "12" full moons after summer solstice (drop 13th between solstices) in northern hemisphere and same after winter solstice southern hemisphere.

        full moon summer solstice

        12 Jun 4 20-Jun 2012
        1 Jul 3
        2 Aug 2
        3 Aug 31
        4 Sep 30
        5 Oct 29
        6 Nov 28
        7 Dec 28
        8 Jan 27
        9 Feb 25
        10 Mar 27
        11 Apr 25
        12 May 25 21-Jun 2013
        1 Jun 23
        2 Jul 22
        3 Aug 21
        4 Sep 19
        5 Oct 18
        6 Nov 17
        7 Dec 17
        8 Jan 16
        9 Feb 14
        10 Mar 16
        11 Apr 15
        12 May 14
        13 Jun 13 21-Jun 2014
        1 Jul 12
        2 Aug 10
        3 Sep 9
        4 Oct 8
        5 Nov 6
        6 Dec 6
        7 Jan 5
        8 Feb 3
        9 Mar 5
        10 Apr 4
        11 May 4
        12 Jun 2 21-Jun 2015
        1 Jul 2
        2 Jul 31
        3 Aug 29
        4 Sep 28
        5 Oct 27
        6 Nov 25
        7 Dec 25
        8 Jan 24
        9 Feb 22
        10 Mar 23
        11 Apr 22
        12 May 21
        13 Jun 20 1102 20-Jun 2234 2016
        1 Jul 19
        2 Aug 18
        3 Sep 16
        4 Oct 16
        5 Nov 14
        6 Dec 14
        7 Jan 12
        8 Feb 11
        9 Mar 12
        10 Apr 11
        11 May 10
        12 Jun 9 21-Jun 2017
        1 Jul 9
        2 Aug 7
        3 Sep 6
        4 Oct 5
        5 Nov 4
        6 Dec 3
        7 Jan 2
        8 Jan 31
        9 Mar 2
        10 Mar 31
        11 Apr 30
        12 May 29 21-Jun 2018
        1 Jun 28
        2 Jul 27
        3 Aug 26
        4 Sep 25
        5 Oct 24
        6 Nov 23
        7 Dec 22
        8 Jan 21
        9 Feb 19
        10 Mar 21
        11 Apr 19
        12 May 18
        13 Jun 17 21-Jun 2019
        1 Jul 16
        2 Aug 15
        3 Sep 14
        4 Oct 13
        5 Nov 12
        6 Dec 12
        7 Jan 10
        8 Feb 9
        9 Mar 9
        10 Apr 8
        11 May 7
        12 Jun 5 20-Jun 2020
        1 Jul 5
        2 Aug 3
        3 Sep 2
        4 Oct 1
        5 Oct 31
        6 Nov 30
        7 Dec 30

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          brook
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          #24

          Quran has a lunar-solar calender.
          If it's merely solar or lunar and not both, we wouldn't know the timing of Ramadhan and we wouldn't know when the 1 extra lunar month is.

          The first full moon AFTER June 21, the longest daytime of the year...
          let's call it the hot full moon as it initiates the hellish (981) hot days.

          Notice the arrival of the hot full moon of the year you are in.
          If it arrives 19 days later than the previous one, you would know that the 1 extra lunar month is before it
          (https//www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=2015&country=74)

          -------1----------2--------3--------4--------5--------6---------7-----------8----------9------10-------11-------12------13
          Jul. 02 2015-Jul 31-Aug 29-Sep 28-Oct 27-Nov 25-Dec 25-Jan 24 2016-Feb 22-Mar 23-Apr 22-May 21-Jun 20
          Jul. 20 2016-Aug 18-Sep 16-Oct 16-Nov 14-Dec 14-Jan 12 2017-Feb 11-Mar 12-Apr 11-May 10-Jun 09
          Jul. 09 2017-Aug 07-Sep 06-Oct 05-Nov 04-Dec 03-Jan 02 2018-Jan 31-Mar 02-Mar 31-Apr 30-May 29

          6 is 19 days later than 5 because it was delayed by the 1 extra lunar month of June 20 BEFORE the longest daytime of the year.

          This year
          shahr ramadan is...
          July 09.

          For muslim believers
          fasting starts on the morning of July 10,
          after they witness the hot full moon.

          Whoever from among you witnesses that full moon shall, then, fast it.

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