Was there ever a community that followed quran islam?
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One would think after the prophets death the 200 years before bukhari the community followed quran only Islam.
However....
History is ripe with contradictions. Even in those 200 years slavery, conquests, jizyah, ridda wars so many accounts, historical and by hadith.
So two things 1) Either every account of the successive years before and after the prophets death are false , perhaps even that the "rightly guided caliphs" never existed (this isn't impossible it explains why the above motioned were happening in a state newly sanctioned by the quran.
- even during Muhammad's time Allah willed even then corruption followed and quran islam wasn't practiced, hence we have all those accounts.
What do my genius free minders think? wow wow
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That there never was a spiritually enlightened religion/creed called Islam, is my thought.
Be well
Qarael Amenuel -
What do my genius free minders think? wow wow
nobody is such a genius here to tell you what's concealed in the pages of history..
you should know how to communicate with plasma being(jinn) perhaps he may tell u about it..
do you know about your great great grandfather 230 years ago and what he did in his life , his friends, his legal and illegal works of life etc.. ?
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Do you or I or anybody else realy know all that much history? History is a wepon I said in nother thread, and evenafter 60 years they tell youthings s facts that you knw to be false and they are accpeted beause people tend to believe the last thing they are told "with authority", printed mostly, but if wnough repeated, orally all the same. If they can do that with us about sixte years ago, imagine what can be dan after a century or after 500hundred years. And when it is a matter of political-power struggle interest youcan be sure that main things in history will be told that are monumental lies. That is why all those forums anti-this or that, are mere prpaganda and playing around the big heroes without much risk of anything. But stupid those who fall for it, because in thsoe places and almost everywhere even things that are known to be false re spread without qualms or remorse.
On the other hand A community? Do you pretend that a whole community be pure and sinless?
That doe snto exist nor I think has existed nor will ever exist. People who are muslim, yes, even with the wrong "beliefs", they still can be good and pure to the best of their ability,but communities? Andit is nonsense to hold "beliefs" responsible for that. People are onlyr esponsible each of him or herself not of what others do or do not do.
Belief and submission to God area personal matter not collective one. If you betray your beliefs, then it is your fault not the fault of your beliefs. So the goodness of a religion is measured by how it helps to you purify, you, just you. The only person you may have some power on and the only person you are responsible for. You may influence others and of that you are also responsible, but not for what they do. They should hndle their influences and you should handle the influences on you. That is also why we generally have many years fo life, to purify,and clean truth of all contamination. We annot vanquish the world, but may be,we can vanquis a little of our own impurity, and that will be no mean feat.
Salaam
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We annot vanquish the world, but may be,we can vanquis a little of our own impurity, and that will be no mean feat.
+1 to that...
islam is an attitude, it's not a religion, a sect, it has no relationship with Quran or Muhammad or other religious element.
You know you're an islam when you can feel glad and peaceful no matter what happened to you in your life.
As you know and aware that everything that has happened and will happened it's all in accordance to God's will although it's not in accordance to your own will and desire.
The above is truly easier said than done.. -
If I remember correctly, someone here wrote that they are a few dozen believers in Pakistan, so I think they form a small community who have submitted to God alone.
There's also a community in Sudan, I think.
Salam
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As you know and aware that everything that has happened and will happened it's all in accordance to God's will although it's not in accordance to your own will and desire.
Our own 'will' is also in concordance with God's 'will'. thus someone like Rumi has put it in the following 'what you seek is seeking you'
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You know you're an islam when you can feel glad and peaceful no matter what happened to you in your life.
As you know and aware that everything that has happened and will happened it's all in accordance to God's will although it's not in accordance to your own will and desire.you cant get happy by your own will.. as per this verse.
5343 He is the One Who causes you to laugh, and to cry.
happiness is data of memories and achievements , he is the one who can feed data of happiness and sadness ,
how can somebody be happy if the pain is there , how hard he try to b happy it will b a fake happiness .. and specially when we already know that he judges by whats inside us... yes
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It is very common even today for Middle Eastern countries to block the "inconvenient" side of the Islamic history. But yeah, evidence of the lies and cover ups still remains. The books Wakas gave has good stuff about it. Here are some quotes you can also check out
https//ancientmodernislam.blogspot.com/2016/01/hadiths-are-fake-truth-from.html
I have another paper according to which a guy named Nawaz from the early days demonstrated why hadiths were not be followed.
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how can somebody be happy if the pain is there , how hard he try to b happy it will b a fake happiness .. and specially when we already know that he judges by whats inside us... yes
Happy and Sadness has no correlation with Gladfully Peaceful Acceptance (Arabic Ikhlas)
Example How can one ego be happy when he knows he's about to die? Only by the attitude of acceptance that he's supposed to die in few seconds/minutes/hours/days, as it was 'written' by His Creator...
"Let Your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven."
That's the attitude of islam... -
Example How can one ego be happy when he knows he's about to die? Only by the attitude of acceptance that he's supposed to die in few seconds/minutes/hours/days, as it was 'written' by His Creator...
the bold part is problematic
there is another example.. sorry examples
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a person is hungry .. his hunger make him steal the food for the need of stomach and survival
as it was written by his creator pooor thing is this he is unable to change the condition of himself neither by hunger nor by stealing.. obviously he dnt have much options... if he listen the commands of God then probably he get died by hunger very soon .. he must have to steal ...(aww pooor baby)2
a warrior who is fighting in the cause of God( like our early heros) invade some countires and steal their stuff , make their enemies spouses as sex slaves (becoz it was written by the creator) and generations after them wil copy cat them blindly.. because it was written ..3
adam sons situationone kills another becoz God create a situation so that one kills another ...
the peaceful one accepted it , it was written one was peaceful and one was trouble maker...
hold on a second here...in daily life the court also punish the planner of any crime ( let say i create a situation to make two brother fight eachother if i say here is 500 ? or angelina jolie only one ov you can get it)
and one kills another and when the sentencing will occur i ll held accountable for that trouble at first hand as a master planner...
so he writes whatever he wish same like a worldy king do whatever he wish ?
he writes who will become criminal / peaceful?
NOTE about this specific subject i like dr shabbir ahmed and ghulam ahmed pervaiz interpretation for describing God's will although i m not fully agree with all what they said about the will of God..
(he alone knows his secrets)we think we have free will huh (
Happy and Sadness has no correlation with Gladfully Peaceful Acceptance (Arabic Ikhlas)
with respect to above how can somebody galdfully peaceful when God want him to suffer from pain and stress..
he is the one who make you galdfully peaceful or gladfully trouble maker
turn it round like this yes
same like laugh and cry... -
One would think after the prophets death the 200 years before bukhari the community followed quran only Islam.
However....
History is ripe with contradictions. Even in those 200 years slavery, conquests, jizyah, ridda wars so many accounts, historical and by hadith.
So two things 1) Either every account of the successive years before and after the prophets death are false , perhaps even that the "rightly guided caliphs" never existed (this isn't impossible it explains why the above motioned were happening in a state newly sanctioned by the quran.
- even during Muhammad's time Allah willed even then corruption followed and quran islam wasn't practiced, hence we have all those accounts.
What do my genius free minders think? wow wow
because the prophet manifested himself doesn't mean that everywhere on the land will be justice instantly
