Debate btw quranist and hadithist
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RED WRONG this doesn't tell how, God tells he will preserve it, he doesn't tell how he will preserve it
I agree with you that the question of how the Book was preserved is not irrelevant. But no worries. God actually did mention about it in the Quran but traditionalists changed the interpretations probably to make their hadiths look credible which unfortunately claim that the verses were scattered all over the place and that Quran was changed.
Check how the Book was preserved https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=8055.0
And here are some outrageous hadiths sometimes directly and sometimes indirectly trying to tell us that Quran was changed
https//ancientmodernislam.blogspot.com/2016/10/some-lies-from-hadith-books.htmlIt will never be easy to get history from hadiths because their supporters burned lots of stuffs. Checkhttps//www.reddit.com/r/Quraniyoon/comments/6i34ka/scholarly_work_of_the_secular_muslims_was/?st=j4bek0t5&sh=a74453d0
When we read the collections it becomes apparent that they were meant for changing the true history of Islam. For instance, you will always hear that in the beginning, the Muslims practiced secularism, but historians give its credit to Pre Islamic times and later Greeks despite the fact that mainly the 2nd generation Mu?tazilites. There is no explanation of why the early rulers allowed freedom of speech and even the right to criticize Islam. They give its credit to "benevolent" nature of those people.
Getting history from hadiths about the first generation of Muslims is same as getting to know Islam from answeringislam.com and alt right. A group similar to kkk and white supremacists helped change the religion. So it is kinda waste of time to use hadiths for history and Quran.
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RED WRONG this doesn't tell how, God tells he will preserve it, he doesn't tell how he will preserve it
just this color rest of ur colors are colorless but in the end i ll give them colors what you are looking
God told you he will preserve the body of firoon did he also told all these years what happened with his body how he preserved it?
is it relevant how he preserved the body of pharoah and the scripture what we talking about ? yes but we have evidence infront of uscoming back to history
lets do it once so that you know how they preserve quran
first event of history
10 chapter are eaten by goat and wife of prophet (aisha) was responsible for that loss
source bukahri the best historical source of muslim history
now the quran what we have is corrupted. no matter what does quran said just forget about it
its a little bit careless start of our history regarding qurannow i understand why God said that i will preserve it becoz so called historians are not that capable to save that ten chapters of quran in which an important command of death stonning is missing
in case if u r interested in more history i have more gifts for you
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Debates are useless, they show no truth whatsoever. If it was Edip Yuksel that bearded Sunni guy and his friends would just either flee or curse him. It is just a matter of fact THERE ARE MORE, FAR MORE VERSES OF THE QURAN, in fact, more than ten verses, which clearly state that you people should only follow His guidence ALONE and not anything else http//submission.org/Qurans_view_on_HandS.html
And what do traditionalists have to back their aguments with? Just one 269 . Which of course is rational, because any prophet of God is there to follow the Scripture, the last revelation given to the mankind by God, and not to become a Sunni or Shia patriarchal monkeys that a lot of modern muslims, unfortunately, are. Even we, as followers of the Quran only and the believers, are there to explain others about wisdoms of the Quran, its message and the Last day.
Not to mention, the Quran alone guy in the video was clearly stressed given the atmosphere he was in. It's not that he was in the situation of an obvious danger, but the very situation he was in is clearly uncomfortable. Compare Edip Yuksels debates at Saudi airports. On his channel, Adnan Rashid has a lot of debate videos, and almost everywhere you can see he takes his friends with him. I wonder if the outcome of debates would be the same was it strictly one on one debate, why does he have to take his loud monkeys with him?
Afterall, I still have to see a traditionalist actually accept the popular challange, without starting long and tedious interpretation on
Narrated Sa?d The Prophet said, "If somebody takes some 'Ajwa dates every morning, he will not be effected by poison or magic on that day till night." (Another narrator said seven dates). (Sahih Bukhari)
I am extremely acknowledged about the way they 'reverse engineer' the meaning of 'poison' and say it means 'toxins', instead. It clearly says poison in arabic https//sunnah.com/bukhari/70/74
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I wonder if "Marwan" is/was a member here.
Recently they debated again. I came across a new video.
Afterall, I still have to see a traditionalist actually accept the popular challange, without starting long and tedious interpretation on
Narrated Sa?d The Prophet said, "If somebody takes some 'Ajwa dates every morning, he will not be effected by poison or magic on that day till night." (Another narrator said seven dates). (Sahih Bukhari)
I am extremely acknowledged about the way they 'reverse engineer' the meaning of 'poison' and say it means 'toxins', instead. It clearly says poison in arabic https//sunnah.com/bukhari/70/74
The date hadith looks so much like an advertising for selling dates!
The Messenger (Sallallaahu ?layhi Wasallam) said, ?O Aisha! A house that has no dates in it their family is hungry. Oh Aisha! A house that has no dates in it their family is hungry.?
