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    zigazigha
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    Please help me understand these verses. I don't speak Arabic but I was trying to read the original version and there are things I don't understand.

    • In 225 it's talking about the rewards in Heaven. "And they will have therein purified spouses, and they will abide therein eternally." The word "spouses" is "azwajun" and it's masculine, but the word "purified" is "muahharatun" and it's feminine! How is that possible?

    • In 235 "And We said, "O Adam, dwell, you and your wife, in Paradise and eat therefrom in abundance from wherever you will."
    The word "wife" is "wazawjuka" and it's masculine! Adam's wife was a female!

    • The same thing happens in 457 "For them therein are purified spouses" where "spouses" is masculine and "purified" is feminine.

    • In 3748 "And with them will be women limiting glances, with large, eyes". I don't understand why Quran Corpus says that both qasiratu and l-tarfi have the same meaning, that is "(will be) companions of modest gaze". Qasiratu is FEMININE, and l-tarfi is MASCULINE. Also, qasiratu comes from the root qaf sad ra which means = become short, have little or no power, become niggardly, fall short, i.e. not to reach something, left/relinquish/abstain/desist/cease, took from its length, clip/shove, restricted/confined/limited, kept within certain bounds or limits, restrain/withheld, hinder/prevent, contract or draw oneself together, obedient, last part of day. qasr (pl. qusur) - ample and spacious house, castle, palace.
    And l-tarfi comes from ta-ra-fa = soft, ease, to lead a delicate life, enjoy good things of life, to bestow the good things of life.
    Luxuriant/flourishing/succulent/plentifulness.
    Corrupted, well to do, ungrateful, proud, one whom a life of softness and ease has caused to behave insolently, one whom the exclusive pursuit of pleasures of life has corrupted.
    How did they come up with that translation? Where did they take the word companions/wives from? Where did they take the word "glance" from?

    • In 3852 it's basically the same as above. "And with them will be women limiting glances and of equal age" Of equal age is "atrabun", which is masculine!

    • In 5556 it's the same but it also says "no man has touched them". Is man intended as "human being"? If it were intended as "male human being" than it would mean that the companions are only women. But l-tarfi is masculine.

    • In 5572 " Fair ones restrained in pavilions". Why are they restrained? Why is "fair ones" (hurun) gender neutral and "restrained" (maqsuratun) feminine?

    • In 5635-36-37 "Indeed, We have produced the women of Paradise in a creation, and made them virgins, devoted and of equal age". Why is the word "virgin" (abkaran) feminine, "devoted" (uruban) masculine, and "equals in age" (atraban) masculine? If these are all the attributes of women of Paradise then shouldn't they all be feminine adjectives?

    • Finally, out of 11 cases(I didn't count the verses about boys with cups and vessels because those are servants and from what I understand they are too young to be spouses), only two cases are clearly gender neutral. All the rest seem to be about women of Paradise. Why does it focus so much on women rather than men?

    Could anyone who knows Arabic explain each verse in detail?
    Please, don't go off-topic.
    Thanks!

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      huruf
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      2.25 Mutahharat is singular, because plurals unless gramatically regular function as feminine singular. I do not know whether you can appreciate that the mutahhara is singular not plural so it is a masculine collective.

      In the second one youmention there is no wife, there just mate. Not wife and so many other places int eh Qur'an where males are taken to be the subjects of everything and therefore women only figure as wives. Most of the times it says mate and not wife, but translators take it to mean wife.

      Salaam

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        Aladin
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        The language (lisan) of the Qur'an is not language (lughat) of Arabs.

        We have to understand ourselves from the beginning. We're of el-'alemoon for sure, but there are a few types

        • en-nas (singular el-insan)
        • el-ins, a collective noun (plural is unaas)
        • el-jinn (singular el-jaann).

        If we're el-insan, then from the start of surah El-'Aleq we can understand that our Rabb (One who breeds us, Breeder, in sense as parents) will teach us what we don't know by El-Qalem. El-Qalem is the Segment of His Speech as explained in ayet with "trees and seas".

        If a person is not el-insan (ex. Beni Israil), they should find their Guidance (Huden) in Et-Tewrat and El-Injeel and veryify them from the Qur'an.

        The difference between the Qur'an and previous revalation is in deduction, which can be properly used to get a knowledge only by humans (en-nas), as we can find out in ayats about Adem a.s. and melaiket (el-jinn), and many others. Deduction is also used in words of 'Isa, son of Meryem a.s., to Beni Israil, but he explained his words in detail, because Beni Israil couldn't understand him.

        So, if we're humans we should come close to the Qur'an ONLY and try to teach its language, which was sent down with the Qur'an, and has all of its attributes (clear, easy, protected, self-explaining...).

        Lisan of the Qur'an is descriptive, there're no nouns as we know them in our languages house, Moon, Sky, a human, god, Egypt, a jew, a cow, a mosquito, war, etc. There are descriptions of happenings. If anything in some time (or out of it) can be connected with some description, it can be called by that "name".

        Word INS means "visible, evident", and words INSAN means "permanently visible, evident". If I wanna call something by those names I could use them to show that it is not opposite of that. I can call a person by many names and which I will chose depends of what I wanna say. It's lisan of the Qur'an, which has its permanent rules and this is why it's clear and easy.


        Word "ezwaaj" is a plural of "zewej"... it's not same as "zewj" (which plural would be "zuwooj&quot. Root z-w-j means "pair" and its verbal noun (masder) means "pair" too. Word "zewej" means "paired" and it can be used for anything, but as you can conclude we should know "paired to what/who?"

        If it's paired to a male then it's feminine, no need to use "zewejet" as a feminine singular form, word is in that case feminine by its meaning, as word "umm" is feminine when used as "mother" (mother is not its original meaning, just special).

        The other words you asked need detailed explanaition and I suggest that you look youself for all words from their roots in all ayets. Try to think about them and don't hurry, take your time. When time comes you'll be learned.

        It's good to find a few words with meaning you're sure in and a few word forms (measure) from which you can learn about words of lisan of the Qur'an. There's no end of learning by El-Qalem, even it's just a part of His Speech.

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          In the second one youmention there is no wife, there just mate. Not wife and so many other places int eh Qur'an where males are taken to be the subjects of everything and therefore women only figure as wives. Most of the times it says mate and not wife, but translators take it to mean wife.

          Salaam

          But it's talking abour Adam's spouse, a woman. Why does it use the masculine form then?

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            huruf
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            Why do you take it that adam is a proper name and not the name of the species? And no, it does not say wife, it says mate. The word mate, zawy, in Arabic, is masculine, you cannot make it feminine.

            Salaam

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              Please help me understand these verses. I don't speak Arabic but I was trying to read the original version and there are things I don't understand.

              • In 225 it's talking about the rewards in Heaven. "And they will have therein purified spouses, and they will abide therein eternally." The word "spouses" is "azwajun" and it's masculine, but the word "purified" is "muahharatun" and it's feminine! How is that possible?

              Peace ? see below examples spouses/mates/pairs (gender-less need to use context).

              225 and give news the ones believes they of and do they of the righteous that for them gardens flow from underneath it the rivers whenever provided they of therein from fruit provision of said they of this the one provided us from before and given they of in it analogous of and for them therein spouses pure and they therein eternally being

              6143 octet spouses (4 x 2 pairs) from the sheep twosome and from the goat twosome say the two (males) prohibit or the two (females) as for contains on it wombs the two (females) inform ye of me with knowledge if be you truthful

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              6144 and from the camel twosome and from the cow twosome say the two (males) prohibit or the two (females) as for contains on it wombs the two (females) or be you witnesses when advise you the god in this so who wrongs than who fabricates he on/about the god lie of to misguided the humankind in other than/without knowledge indeed the god not guided the folk the wrongdoers

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              396 creation yours from soul single furthermore made from her/it spouse hers/its and descends for you from l-anmi/the animals/creatures/living things (probably pertains to genetics, embryonic stem cells, etc.) octet spouses (4 x 2 pairs) created you in interior body mothers yours ...

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