Who are 'aal 3imraan - according only to Qur'an data
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From Qoran we can ony deduce a lineage from these chosen individuals
Adam, GOD has chosen Adam from the ins to undergo the demonstration with maaaka. Then GOD has chosen Noah to deliver the warning the generation of the corrupt beni Adam. Then god has chosen aal Ibrahim,then aal Imraan ( individuals from the lineage of Abraham and and after him the lineage of Imraan from beni Israeel to continue the delivery of GOD s message to the generations of beni Adam that follow them.So in short "Aal Imraan" are the lineage of Imraan from the generations after Imraan,.
My take would be people like Moses,Aaron,Mariem,Zaccariah,Jhon the baptist,Jesus...
My understanding.
GOD bless.
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From Qoran we can ony deduce
This it the main point we should know. The Qur'an can be understood only by deduction, as Adem a.s. was looking at things and deducted their names, which melaiket (jinn) couldn't do, because they're not able to do so.
In almost each ayet about El-Mesih a.s., his mother s.a., Zachary a.s. and Yahya a.s. are hints about Alu 'Imran. For example, we were told that nobody was called by the same name as Yahya a.s. before him. His name in hebrew form is YO-HANAN and its a common name. There're records about its usage before I century b.c. What is interesting is that there's a word HANAN, which is used only once in ayet with Yahya a.s.
Musa a.s. was raised by fir'aun's family and his mother was his wet nurse only. Nobody from his people, other then his family, knew about this. When he grew up he killed a person and left their country. Nobody still knew about him, until he was sent to fir'aun many years later.
We were told too that Et-Tewrat was sent by Musa a.s., but there's no ayet which tells so. What we know for sure is that when El-Mesih a.s. was sent Beni Israil had "of Tewrat" (minet-Tewrat), not all of it. But he was sent with Et-Tewrat, all of it. The end of what is known as Torah is from a person known as Joshua, who was a son of Moses' and Aaron's sister Miryam.
Miryam is a perfect match for name Meryem, and name Mary doesn't have all letter for a match.
What we're missing too is that El-Mesih a.s. asked for a food from the Sky, because el-Hawariyyun asked for it. Allah told then that they'll get it, but for those after that event who're rejecting is punishment which was never sent before. If we think about Babylonian exile we can understand that it's that punishment, never sent before. Word "Injeel" means "exile", as I understood it.
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Salaam,
as said, I do not want to take into account any information coming from sources other than Qur'an. I do not care about any name when in fact the Qur'an gives a clear name for the son of johanan. The fact is that the son of Zakarya which is YaHyaa which might be rendered something like the one who lives, root H-y-y.
I do not want either any name Jesus, which might be anything. And if we refer to the son of Maryam, his name is 3isaa. Before going to any relationship outside the Qur'an, I think that we should get first straight what we have in the Qur'an.
Is 3imraan a real person, a man? We may take that he is, since he has a wife. On the other hand the only 3imraan mentionned in the Qur'an and that there is as mentionned in the Qur'an must be that 3imraan sine he is mentionned without any other qualification. The wife of 3imraan indicates that there are not several 3imraans from which to choose for them to have a wife.
Is this 3imraan also related to Harun and Musa? If we choose to ignore the mention of Maryam as sister of Harun, is there any other pointer in the Qur'an that relates 3Imraan to Harun and Musa?
That Maryam is not the Mary of the Gospels and 3isaa is nto the Jesus of Gospels is clear from the date given in the qur'an which does not match at all the narration in the gospels.
Could it be that indeed Maryam an his son did live in the same epoch as the Romans and then that a new legend was developed in which the gospes substituted for the real 3isaa?
I do not know.
So the question is there, do Musa and Haroon belong to the family of 3imran or they do not, because what offers no doubt is that Maryam does, she is his daughter, the daughter of his wife, and we do not have in the Qur'an more than one 3imraan to choose from.
Salaam
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So the question is there, do Musa and Haroon belong to the family of 3imran or they do not
They certainly do, but we have to use deduction. Allah told us that He has chosen
- Adem as
- Nooh as
- Aalu Ibrahim as
- Aalu 'Imran as
of all el-'alemun, 333.
Allah told us that He has chosen Meryem sa, and He has chosen her from all women too. This ayet is in a relation with 333, since its obvious that Meryem sa is Aalu 'Imran as his daughter. Aal is a family in the same time.
There's one more person chosen, and guess who? It is Musa a.s., he was chosen too. But where he belongs?
Speaking about "aal", there's a prayer of Zachary as in which he is asking for a son, to be his successor and a successor of Aalu Ya'qoob as. This also means that at least one of parents of Yahya as was of Aalu Ya'qoob as (son or grandson, male of female - there're no daughters in the Qur'an, they're female sons).
All of this is a direct proof that Musa a.s. is of Aalu 'Imran and that Yahya a.s. is a very near successor of Ya'qoob a.s. As, I understood, all of them are from Eyyub as, who was one of brothers of Yusoof a.s., or grandson of Ya'qoob a.s.
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All of this is a direct proof that Musa a.s. is of Aalu 'Imran and that Yahya a.s. is a very near successor of Ya'qoob a.s. As, I understood, all of them are from Eyyub as, who was one of brothers of Yusoof a.s., or grandson of Ya'qoob a.s.
I do not see how it is proved that Musa beliongs to 'aal 3imraan. Also from where to you know that Ayyub is a brother of Yusuf?
Salaam
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Those mentioned in 333 are chosen, nobody besides them, since it was told "of el-'alemun". If there is somebody else then that statement wouldn't be correct.
Since, Musa a.s. was chosen too, and he's not Adem as, nor Nooh as, he has to be of Aalu Ibrahim as or Aalu 'Imran as.
I know that Eyyub as is of Alu Ya'qoob as, but I'm not sure yet if he was his son or grandson. I'll try to elaborate that in separate topic when I get something what I can share, if Allah wants so.
Muhammed sawa was called Mustafa (Chosen one) too, which is the word from the same root as "chosen" I am talking about. If there's a proof in the Qur'an for that, it's a correct title/name... it's possible anyways.
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If we think about Babylonian exile we can understand that it's that punishment, never sent before. Word "Injeel" means "exile", as I understood it.
From Qur'an itself the only word of the root n-j-l is injiil, but I do not see from where you get that it means exile.
najl means offspring, descendants issue
Nothing that makes one think of exile.
Salaam
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From Qur'an itself the only word of the root n-j-l is injiil, but I do not see from where you get that it means exile.
najl means offspring, descendants issue
Nothing that makes one think of exile.
How could we learn it from the Qur'an ONLY if lexicons are the source of knowledge about the Qur'an?
Word Injeel is from the root jeem-laam, which is recognized also as jeem-laam-waw. Word Injeel is a verbal noun form VII and it's a passive. Word Dejjal is connected with that root too, since adding dal to some roots creates "opposite paired" meaning, as for example "water and blood" (ma' and dem, word ma' is a collective noun, in plural form).
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Those mentioned in 333 are chosen, nobody besides them, since it was told "of el-'alemun". If there is somebody else then that statement wouldn't be correct.
Since, Musa a.s. was chosen too, and he's not Adem as, nor Nooh as, he has to be of Aalu Ibrahim as or Aalu 'Imran as.
I know that Eyyub as is of Alu Ya'qoob as, but I'm not sure yet if he was his son or grandson. I'll try to elaborate that in separate topic when I get something what I can share, if Allah wants so.
Muhammed sawa was called Mustafa (Chosen one) too, which is the word from the same root as "chosen" I am talking about. If there's a proof in the Qur'an for that, it's a correct title/name... it's possible anyways.
You are right, and that is a very sharp observation. Indeed, there are many mentions of 3alaa al 3alamin in the Qur'an but iSTafa, is just for those you mention although in the case of Musa He says 3lal annaas. .
So, if we place 3imraan in Roman's time, Musa could hardly be over thousand years before them. Unless we take Musa and Haroon to be for more modern than thought at any time.
Salaam
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That is the question. The 3isa Ibnu Maryam and the Maryam in the Qur'an have been impersonated by some religious conception of much later times, which in itself may be good, but which has been retransposed and imposed on the Qur'an emptying it of its soriginal meaning, and that is certainly not good at all.
Let Christianity have its own tenets independently of historicity, but let us not empty the Qur'an of its own messages by nvalidating them imposing and canibalising it with the Christian and Jewish religious configurations, which should uphold themselves but should not be used to ivalidate the Qur'an.
Salaam
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Injiil, fits perfectly the mold ir1r2yir3, which something intense, highly in whatever the meaning. That is the same mod as Iblyis, the eminently desperate, abandoned one.
If we keep to the meaning of generations, injyil would mean the excellence or richness of generations which is fitting description of the whole aya which the Qur'an say are the conjunction of Maryam-3isaa, with al ma'ida, abundance of spiritual gifts and injyil, abundance of spiritual progeny, and the purity of the spiritual succession coming from that ayya.
I hardly see that it would fit any mold with adding vowels to the root and withdrawing the n- from it, I do not know which mold you would be applying to form injil from the roots you say. If you can show, it would help. I know it is always a bother with the long vowels, but at least we could, as you say, deduct. The form ir1r2yir3, as I see it is a perfect fit.
Salaam