What is the reason for creation?

good_logic

Peace Rekkd.

You say,quote
He created everything, a very complicated world and what's outside. He couldn't just create a bunch of developed spirits from the beginning and save us all the troubles?

What does"developed spirits" mean?
GOD only knows how to develop a spirit without creating robots!!!!

Let us say a "developed spirit" will ask GOD about its choice,how can that be done?Is GOD going to force this development on it?

So many things we do not really know or understand yet!!!
Or are you going to say GOD forced us to be humans for example? I would say that GOD says we choose the "Amana" i.e this is our choice. A long story that will become clear at GOD s.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

huruf

Man of Faith, The missing part or I would say is what's most important to me. Is why would God want us to develop? What does he gain? Could he have created us perfect from the beginning? I don't care much about our reason as much as God's reason for creating us!

He created everything, a very complicated world and what's outside. He couldn't just create a bunch of developed spirits from the begin

And who tells you that He has not already created that? that and many more things, ingfinite creations?

But if he has created that thing you want and do not find, it is not us.

So what are you going to do?

You and everybody and everything else will have to make do with what God has made to be him, her or it. No escaping that.

Fine that you want to find God's reasons, but God is the ultimate reason, He wants, He creates. BUT he tells as that He has created everything with the balance. That much has the told us.
So we know there is a a balance. We will not be cheated out of anything and if we accept it we will find satisfaction, ultimate satisfaction? What is then there to be displeased about? The suffering? Suffering with a purpose is bearable and when something is not bearable we faint or we breakdown. But there will be a balance, we will be duly comprensated for everything if we willingly accept God's terms.

By the way I will quote the answer gien to me by a very young person a long time ago which impressed me for its logic and wisdom. I asked him what we he would have liked to be if he were not a human person. He answered

-The thing a I was if I were not a human person.

Match that.

Salaam

Comrox

This is beautiful, thnks for sharing.

You're welcome. Not mine, saw it on another site, but thought it might answer the question posed.

reel

Everyday living including its "natural habits" (natural to the primitive primate) is something which douses the spirit of the soul. The one and only way towards completion is fighting everything which makes you Homo sapiens, for this is not the real you. Primarily this is being Homo sapiens

Hierarchical desire
Material desire
Desire for vanity
Desire for obsession or occupation
Desire for kinship
Desire to dominate
Desire for sexual stimulation
Greed
Bending the truth
Jealousy

That is behavior which you think you need, consciously or unconsciously. You may be jealous, but you are too stuck in your mind to see it as no relevance beyond your limited reality. You may bend the truth because of the other drives, being false is basically a consequential instinct of Homo sapiens. You greed and so you dubiously acquire things. You feel aroused and so you remedy the condition by answering the feeling and you consider it natural so you do nothing to resist it. You do strive to win in games and other challenges for satisfaction. You prioritize your own kin and only those you have something in common with, like nationality, culture or religion. You become absorbed in your career, hobbies etc. You live according to your own vanity. You strive to own just for the sake of owning, hoarding and impressing on others (highly related to hierarchy). And finally, you seek a hierarchical position in society; imagined, self-proclaimed or societal.

Welcome back MOF. I would cut out number 4. Today we are interacting online smoothly because some people out there came up with html, css, php, javascript, etc. It takes a lot of obsession to do that. It takes a lot of obsession to learn such languages and they never let a person feel that just knowing their grammar is enough. Working with those means tearing out hair everyday!

I do not believe the purpose is development, but the man's own purpose in this world.

Almost everything made by God is doing something. This includes the planets, bugs, animals, stones, lava, snow, wind, etc. We humans are no different. All of us together are a system. But unlike others, we can observe, study, do sophisticated things and be continuously emotional. Through this, God helps us understand that we have greater responsibility towards the seen and unseen. Strangely, when we stop observing, studying, doing sophisticated things and being continuously emotional we become useless in a destructive way. In fact, we become our very own enemies. Our dumbness destroys this world and we have seen a clip of that in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. So we have no choice but to surrender to a purpose best suitable for our psyche.

Cerberus

I think that just like this marvelous piece, where each instrument works on producing its own sound, but in harmony with all other instruments and in the context of the one melody, the result is a marvelous melody.
Imagine spending your life focusing on creating that sound, just like those musicians are focused on their instruments to produce that sound. Can you imagine ? Please reflect on this.

imrankhawaja

it appears to me the nature push/transfer everything from one destination to another.
willingly or unwillingly everybody have to move on ..
stage by stage we are approaching the origin of our reality
the origin of our body belong to this planet it will mix in this planet ..
but the real of ourselves what we call as character lives in side this body and it have a connection with the blow of God spirit ..

its still lot of mysteries ahead.. good thing about next stage is its riskfree right now we are under high risk..

planet earth is a stage designed by almighty in billions of galaxy we just start our journey here roughly couple of thousands years but its older than our history.. (so we did not belong to this place ) sooner or later we have to move on.. lets not build castle in sand and understand the real purpose ..

most importantly we exist and we have to move further the question about the purpose is not important at this stage becoz in near past it was accepted by humanity , the law of current condition is to move forward not to move reverse which is not really possible ..

same like we forget we been asked for this journey or test or task whatever you call it..
we also forget the purpose and all other related things connect to first stage so in my humble view its not important at this moment
you have a journey , lets see how you manage to buy tickets in this journey that will lead you to the home where you actually belong..or where you will to reach..

Rekkd

Comrox your answer is based on this reality. God could have created us different without the need of suffering to learn or develop or wtvr.

Reel, you didn't understand Man of Faith. He's talking about another type of obsession and occupation.

Imran, my advice would be take a break from this forum and everything to do with religion. Then start reflecting and asking yourself about your beliefs. You will see it all doesn't add up.

imrankhawaja

Imran, my advice would be take a break from this forum and everything to do with religion. Then start reflecting and asking yourself about your beliefs. You will see it all doesn't add up.

advice taken handshake

God could have creates us different without the need of suffering to learn or develop or wtvr.

yes he already created that creation = malaika

but why would i select a life in which i work like robot or i take anything granted..
i like to achieve something with my own hardwork otherwise you already know what happened with adam and eve becoz that earthly garden was a charity for them so as soon they try to do experiment they get expelled from there like free loaders..

in reality this life is not = the life hereafter (so wait for desired life untill the time appointed)
in reality our emotions get murder in this life
our ego get killed badly
our self get hurt multiple times
everything what we generate get banged like we are shit holes
our desires get raped here

why ?

becoz thats why he created that life .. whatever is happening in this earth is the law of earth

its like i decide to travel africa from uk in return i get awarded with money and medals so i decide to go there for two days
when i reached there i saw people fight for food
kids get killed from hunger and disease
no electricty no internat no sun bath , no music, no family

i already know these two days are kinda hard for me so lets do it for the sake of my whole life , i have to come back anyway becoz i did not belong to this place .. i m going there for a purpose so lets make a deal with company.. after i apply lot of times with my own wish i get approval so when i reached there .. i cant say i dnt want to spend two days here.. becoz u cant come back before two days so lets carry on..

this place is not our home , this is a testing stage lets treat it the way it should be treated..
same is happening with us.. we were unaware that we have to kill multiple bacteria(living thing) for our survival
animal kingdom cruelty
our own cruelty
destruction of things
depressions
fear of hunger,loss,kids
now we are confuse and we want to go back , but at that time why we accepted this , coz we are human being and we are doing exactly what was in our nature.. it was a creation so that we get created..

dnt b a coward lets finish this shit then after that you will get whatever a humanbeing can wish
look the real wish inside you is risk free relaxing chilling life.. that was the original thing if you focus ,