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  • Emre_1974trE Offline
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    Emre_1974tr
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    4252 says Qur'an the soul.

    I said you;

    According to the verses;

    1- Spirit is revelation,

    2- holy spirit (the angel messenger conveying the message, revelation angel)

    3- and revelation book (Quran).

    Spirit= revelation.

    In your dogma (maybe Christianity) humans need ghosts or monsters.

    But not according to Islam.

    Your ghost believing from paganism (like Christianity),

    and your Christian dogma from Spiritualism, pantheism.

    Regards.

    And verses in our bodies of course.

    So we are obliged to head to the right.

    3030So direct your face toward the religion, inclining to truth. the fitrah of Allah upon which He has created people. No change should there be in the creation of Allah . That is the correct religion, but most of the people do not know.

    All people need verses(spirit). Verses are divine information. Especially in heaven, I think that people will be supported by the verses.

    Spirit = verses,

    No human has a divine piece. no ghosts.

    Regards.

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      Makaveli
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      When one excludes Spirit he is only left with a body, and a body needs to eat, kill, procreate, and the more it eats, kills and procreates the more powerful it feels. That is why monism-related doctrines seek caliphates, governments and blind dogmas in order to control the blind sheep and to enlarge its comfort and lust for power. And the blind sheep is not really respected in the Qur'an (822 for example).

      That is why prophets namely Muhammad who appears quite innocent in the Qur'an but is portrayed as a sexual maniac and a mass murderer in the hadith literature, to establish certain religious matrix to establish this agenda.

      That is why they translate hoorines as women with breasts rather than fruits for instance, because that is what bodily needs, to have constant pleasure. That is why punishments of hell is taken as literal because that is what bodily is scared of - real pain.

      But I see Qur'an to be quiet misunderstood and I have a lot of evidence to back this up, since I talk to mohhamedians every day, these are deluded and blind maniacs who only seek pain and how to establish control. And when you apporach them they have no arguments against someone who believes in the Spirit and does not curse them back but provides evidence against them. So they end up sending death threats and constant insults ) Because they indeed do not follow anything righteous and spiritual. And none of them understand the Qur'an without tafsir or even try to understand.

      The teachings of Jesus are quite the contrary, and the Sura 109 of the Qur'an, for instance, is an evidence and yet a great example of how tolerant this teaching is, and not bodily.

      That is why I have problems with the way Qur'an is understood today. I don't believe in cutting off hands even to thieves. And how many of you Quran alone guys and gals would actually punish someone with hundred lashes for adultery?

      Even mohhamedians would not punish adulturers with hundred lashes, that is too weak for them. They will use judean/paganist stoning practice. But you guys seem to be quite peaceful, so here is a test for you would you punish adulturers with hunded lashes happen you stay on the uninhabitant island with several other quran alone followers and two people would commit adultery?

      I believe Qur'an to be different from monism dogmas, many verses attribute to each, yet many other seems to be of contrary. Something is clearly fishy here -X confused

      Fuck monism anyways.

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        And verses in our bodies of course.

        So we are obliged to head to the right.

        3030So direct your face toward the religion, inclining to truth. the fitrah of Allah upon which He has created people. No change should there be in the creation of Allah . That is the correct religion, but most of the people do not know.

        All people need verses(spirit). Verses are divine information. Especially in heaven, I think that people will be supported by the verses.

        Spirit = verses,

        No human has a divine piece. no ghosts.

        Regards.

        And since our Lord is separate from all creation, it is a great sin to attribute a partner to God, because nothing He has created is a part or reflection of Him.

        https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9609800.0

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          Emre_1974tr
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          The origin of belief in souls / ghosts is spiritualism and pantheism.

          And pagan christianity is trojonhorse of spiritualism ofcourse.

          Islam and spiritual doctrine are completely different from each other.

          https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXA38GeVM6k

          Regards.

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            Makaveli
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            Dualism can be traced to earliest preserved texts i.e. the Epic of Gilgamesh

            Fame haunts the man who visits hell,
            Who lives to tell my tale identically.
            So like a sage, a trickster or saint,
            GILGAMESH
            Was a hero who knew secrets and saw forbidden places,
            Who could even speak of the time before.

            How could the angels bow before the Adam? Doesn't it sound contradictory to the idea of the greatest power of the Divine whereas a man is but a slave?

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              If you read the Qur'an in a holistic and honest way, you can easily see why they bowed.

              Peace

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                Emre_1974tr
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                And verses in our bodies of course.

                So we are obliged to head to the right.

                3030So direct your face toward the religion, inclining to truth. the fitrah of Allah upon which He has created people. No change should there be in the creation of Allah . That is the correct religion, but most of the people do not know.

                All people need verses(spirit). Verses are divine information. Especially in heaven, I think that people will be supported by the verses.

                Spirit = verses,

                No human has a divine piece. no ghosts.

                Regards.

                In paradise humans will be the perfect character . Because they will supported with verses(spirit). Like prophets.

                The support in this world is less.

                As long as we test and confront ourselves.

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                  Humans can be perfect characters here as well.

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                    Man_of_Faith
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                    Do you not have a mind, Emre?

                    If yes, you have a soul.

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                      Humans can be perfect characters here as well.

                      It can not be as much in heaven/paradise.

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                        Do you not have a mind, Emre?

                        If yes, you have a soul.

                        Mind is not from ghosts or monsters.

                        The intelligence or artificial intelligence does not need ghouls.

                        Peace.

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                          Makaveli
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                          Mind is not from ghosts or monsters.

                          The intelligence or artificial intelligence does not need ghouls.

                          Umm..just what?? You do realize an AI is a product of intelligent beings, who know how to script? AI is not "intelligent" itself but follows the pre-defined patterns so it's funny to hear you compare the two.

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                            Umm..just what?? You do realize an AI is a product of intelligent beings, who know how to script? AI is not "intelligent" itself but follows the pre-defined patterns so it's funny to hear you compare the two.

                            Today, artificial intelligence is still in its infancy.

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                              This is a beginning for artificial intelligence . But things that are already unpredictable are beginning to do.

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                                This is a beginning for artificial intelligence . But things that are already unpredictable are beginning to do.

                                Intelligence and consciousness are quite different things.

                                Having intelligence does not imply having consciousness, for thinking without being conscious about one's own being and individuality will not be like a human.

                                You watch too much irobot and terminator.

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                                  This is a beginning for artificial intelligence . But things that are already unpredictable are beginning to do.

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                                    Makaveli
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                                    Intelligence is a possibility to think, one aspect of a thought - a possibility for a self-study. To create an intelligence who could self-study, for instance playing chess and progress the skill in check, is possible, they are trying to do it since the 1990's.

                                    However, to create an android as in the Hollywood comedy childish movies, which would escort and help little kids, that's fantasy and won't happen.

                                    It reminds me of the 1970's. Nobody knew what computers are and the actors did randomly hit the keyboard with straight faces and looked at the randomly generated lights on the panel. Nobody thought to actually consult a specialist in the field D

                                    Mohhamedianism makes people less conscious, btw. They become animals.

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                                      Christianity makes you fool and animal, Makaveli.

                                      Regards.

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                                        Hadith religion traces of your Christianity.

                                        But I am giving you Quran verses. Islam is very different from your religion.

                                        Artificial intelligence began slowly to think creatively.

                                        The computers in chess and Go games have made humanity dull.

                                        And this is beginning.

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                                          There is not so much of Christianity in hadiths as there is from Judeo-pagan traditions, including stoning to deatha and circumcision.

                                          Qur'an, on the other hand tells that the creation (Adam) was given spirit and the angels were to bow before the creation except the Eebless who is of the jinn. It makes perfect sense in case the bodily did not want to bow before the spirit.

                                          Animals live in accordance with their bellies to seek either pleasure or pain. Everything moism doctrines teach is accompanied by wars and exploitation.

                                          Christianity also become a moism doctrine because while Christians admit Jesus was bigger than a random individual, they still think of themselves as slaves who believe in Messiah or a savior and there is Church between a man and God as an intermediate, so there is Muhammad between a mohhamedian and God in mohammedianism.

                                          Moism religions create caliphates to seek their own bodily control. When terrorist blow themselves up I've heard their genitals are protected with special material for obvious reasons, they continue to seek comfort and bodily pleasure aftermath.

                                          Animals will stay animals though.

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