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Qur'an Conflicting Textual Variants

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    Noon_waalqalami
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    Peace, should be a good exercise in cross-reference context study; note he purposely chooses verses which without diacritical marks words are spelled alike in older manuscripts which Qur'an was revised ~200 years (or more, investigating) after revelation e.g. verse counts re-arranged; early manuscripts didn't count initials as separate verses, see examples?

    191 Kaaf Ha Ya Ain Saad 192 ? counted as single verse
    291 alif lam meem 292 ? were all counted as a single verse
    421 ha meem 422 ayn seen qaf ? count as single verse

    Likewise nuances early scribes were careful to distinguish e.g. if pertains to singular/plural

    bil-adhbi/in the punishment (no alif, refers to individual)
    l-adhbu/the punishment (with alif if referring to a group)

    There are countless examples depending on address, etc., although want to focus on these verses.

    see video Conflicting Textual Variants (Part 1)

    https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jlb81KCvYFA

    1. 2271 wayukaffiru (with ?ya?) OR nukaffir (with ?noon? e.g. 431)?

    2. 210 yakdhibna/lying OR yukadhibna/denying (e.g. 8311)?

    3. 6115 kalimatu/word OR kalimtin/words (e.g. 237)?

    4. 966
      nafu/we pardon OR yafu/he pardoned (e.g. 4234)?

    nuadhib/we punish OR yuadhibu/he punished (e.g. 2921)?

    1. 4324 qla/said OR qul/say (e.g. 1742)?

    Note in old manuscripts above are written alike need to use logic/context -- some are easy.

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      Noon_waalqalami
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      No takers yet, going to let that da vinci code > looking missionary freak beguile you? laugh

      Ok let's do the first verse using "context" notice the consistency ...

      2271 wayukaffiru/and he removed about you from evil deeds yours and the god in what thou working aware

      829 if fear ye of the god maketh for you criterion of wayukaffir/and he removed about you evil deeds yours

      3935 liyukaffira/surely he removed the god about them

      485 wayukaffira/and he removed about them evil deeds theirs and be such near/with the god victory of major of

      649 and who believed they in the god and works righteous of yukaffir/he removed on him evil deeds his

      655 and who fears the god yukaffir/he removed on him evil deeds his

      668 repent ye of to the god repentance sincere of perhaps lord yours that yukaffira/he removed about you evil deeds yours

      now the "we" verses

      431 if thou avoid ye of greater what thou forbidden being on it nukaffir/"we" remove about you evil deeds yours wanud'khil'kum/and "we" enter you entrance of noble of

      297 lanukaffiranna/surely remove "we" about them evil deeds theirs walanajziyannahum/and surely "we" recompense them

      notice also that "noon" was dotted in old manuscripts where necessary to distinguish.

      https//s7.postimg.org/bvaqdpjuz/MA_VI_165_Quran_ch28v88-ch29v10.jpg

      anyone like to try 2) 210 yakdhibna/lying OR yukadhibna/denying (e.g. 8311) -- it's easy?

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        The_Sardar
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        I'm a bit lost Noon, is this a refutation to that video claiming that Quran is corrupted?

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          Noon_waalqalami
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          I'm a bit lost Noon, is this a refutation to that video claiming that Quran is corrupted?

          peace sardar -- yes; here is 2) which "in context" 28-10 about deception yakdhibna/lying NOT yukadhibna/denying

          28 and among the humankind who speaketh believe we of in the god and in the day the last and not themselves in/with believers 29 deceiving the god and the ones believes they of and not deceiving except souls theirs/themselves and not realizing 210 in hearts theirs illness so enhanced them the god illness of and for them punishment dire in what be they of yakdhibna/lying

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            Noon_waalqalami
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            peace, didn't want to leave these unresolved.

            1. 6115 kalimatu/word OR kalimtin/words?

            Note in old manuscripts the above are written exactly alike and again need to use context.

            6115 and fulfilled kalimatu/word rabbika sincerely and justly not modifier likalimtihi/words his and he the hearer the knower

            e.g. like saying in English "you have my word" NOT "you have my words" broken language, poorly spoken, or ill-written.

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              1. 966
                nafu/we pardon OR yafu/he pardoned?

              nuadhib/we punish OR yuadhibu/he punished?

              966 not make excuses ye of hence reject you after faith yours if nafu/we pardon about party among you nuadhib/we punish party since they be they of criminals

              scroll over words with magnifier clearly see dot above noon (we pardon/punish)
              http//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/9/vers/66/handschrift/163

              https//s7.postimg.org/7698p39nf/Ahlwardt_305_ch9v58-66.jpg

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