Is the God a believer?
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Greetings!
Please answer. Once the answer is established, we can go to part 2 of the discussion.
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Since no one took a bite, I will advance this discussion to what I want to illustrate. For those who are true to themselves and the God when translating and interpreting the Reading, there can be no flip-flopping or shuffling. Example using Edip and Layth's translation
911 If they repent, and they observe the salat, and they contribute towards betterment, then they are your brothers in the system. We explain the signs for a people who know.
Their pick support activities (plural for whatever reason)
2240 The ones who were driven out of their homes without justice, except that they said, "Our Lord is God!" If it were not for God defending people against themselves, then many places of gathering, markets, salawat, and temples where the name of God is frequently mentioned, would have been destroyed. God will give victory to those who support Him. God is Powerful, Noble.
Here it is support centers
6210 Then, once the salat is complete, you shall disperse through the land and seek God's provisions, and remember God frequently, so that you may succeed.
And now it is contact prayer
The salat shuffle is just one example. Some of my favorites also include the samaa shuffle, the kitab shuffle and the deen shuffle.
My question still stands Is the Almighty a believer? This thread is about the word "mumeen," typically rendered believer. Ayman put forth a good idea that muslim means peacemaker or peaceful one. Why not translate "mumeen" using the same line of thinking?
5923 Huwa Allahu allathee lailaha illa huwa almaliku alquddoosu alssalamu almu/minu almuhayminu alAAazeezu aljabbaru almutakabbirusubhana Allahi AAamma yushrikoona
Edip-Layth (Quran A Reformist Translation)
5923 He is God; there is no other god beside Him. The King, the Holy, the Peace, the Trusted, the Supreme, the Noble, the Powerful, the Dignified. God be glorified; far above what they set up.Muhammad Asad (The Message Of Quran)
5923 God is He save whom there is no deity the Sovereign Supreme, the Holy, the One with whom all salvation rests, the Giver of Faith, the One who determines what is true and false, the Almighty, the One who subdues wrong and restores right, the One to whom all greatness belongs! Utterly remote is God, in His limitless glory, from anything to which men may ascribe a share in His divinity!Shabbir Ahmed (Quran As It Explains Itself)
5923 He is God; there is no god besides Him (no deity, no law-giver and none worthy of worship or obedience)! The King Supreme, the Impeccable, the Peace and the Source of all peace, the Guardian of faith and security, the Watcher over all things, the Majestic, All Powerful, the Superb. Glorious is God, far above what they ascribe to Him.Interesting. These translators translate the same word (albeit in the plural) as believers (or acknowledgers) in the other occurences, thus engaging in the mumeen shuffle and showing that "believer" is nonsensical here and thus all other places.
Another point to consider is that "al mumineen" are associated with striving, taking action, leaving doubt behind, practicing what they preach and not hiding their true convictions.
AMN can mean security, trust, ease, etc.
So why not
Granter of security (because he fights in the cause of the God)
One who practices his true conviction (opposite of al kafiroon)
One who is at ease (he has no doubt or worry regarding the God)Hypothesis aladhina amanoo = al muslimeen + al mu'mineen
Why would the Almighty use both aladhina amanoo and al mu'mineen - sometimes in close proximity - if they were the same? These terms are often conflated.
Likewse aladhina kafaroo, which is the opposite of aladhina amanoo, is used back to back with al kafiroon.
So these are opposites
aladhina kafaroo vs aladhina amanoo
al mu'mineen vs al kafiroon
al muslimeen vs al mujrimeenaAny constructive input?
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peace brother
God dnt need to believe. He already know everything
seriously the question and the second post does not give a clue what you are on about ? you can explain it if i get you wrong
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peace brother
God dnt need to believe. He already know everything
seriously the question and the second post does not give a clue what you are on about ? you can explain it if i get you wrong
thanksOk let me clarify
This thread is about the word mu'meen. The question was posed to make people think about it. Obviously the God knows all things, so it makes no sense to call Him "the Believer." So from 5923 (among other verses) we can see that the translation of mu'meen in virtually all translations makes no sense - i.e. "believer" makes no sense. Instead of re-considering their translation in all other verses, they shuffle arond and simply change it in 5923.
I started with giving an exmple of a "shuffle" - in this case the salat shuffle. Another one includes the "kitab" shuffle. Kitab is a document of a legal nature or a decree - binding something, giving a law and so on. "Book" cannot be sustained at all as a meaning, so translators choose "book" in some "contexts" and other words in other "contexts," or simply use "book" even though it makes no sense, and sometimes more correctly as "ordinance," "decree" and so on. Same goes for deen (which means that with which one is charged; due; responsibility; that which one works towards in expectation of something; liability) - and this is translated as system/religion in most places, judgement/requital/recompense for yawm al deen, and so on - but in some places it can only mean what i have stated, since this is the true meaning. The God exposes inconsistent or false interpretations through an internal mechanism.
Basically, a word or collocation does not arbitrarily start having a different meaning because of "context." We need to re-interpret them and find a consistent rendering.
People arbitrarily pick the same redering for different Arabic word and conflate "aladhina amanoo" with "al mu'mineen" and conflate "aladhina kafaroo" and "al kafireena" and "al kuffar" with each other, among other things. Furthermore there is also "aladhina la yu'minoon" which I havent looked into in detail (perhaps a larger group including al kafiroon, al kuffar, etc.)
Example "aladhina kafaroo" is "those who reject" and "al kafiroon" is basically the same the rejecters.
Also see https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9609879.msg410866#msg410866
Differences in terms and words arent used arbitrarily by the God. We need to carefully study them.
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Ok let me clarify
This thread is about the word mu'meen. The question was posed to make people think about it. Obviously the God knows all things, so it makes no sense to call Him "the Believer." So from 5923 (among other verses) we can see that the translation of mu'meen in virtually all translations makes no sense - i.e. "believer" makes no sense. Instead of re-considering their translation in all other verses, they shuffle arond and simply change it in 5923.
peace, no word "the believer" in 5923 NOR in entire Qur'an?
5923 he the god the one not deity except he the sovereign l-qudusu
621 glorify to god what in the heavens and what in the land the sovereign l-qudsi
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