Al-Kafirron
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A friend very strongly objected to my use of meaning of worship for root ?Ayn-Ba-Dal?. This prompted me further, as I have always struggled myself the way Lane translated this root from Arabic sources; instead of giving root meanings, he started with a sentence Abda Allah. Upon a careful review, it became clear that worship meaning could never have been an intended meaning in this sura. Further, explanation is provided in within brackets below.
Surah 109 1
Using your rationale express, O you lethargic in unwise actions; ones hiding sufficient and fulfilling knowledge, due to denial of facts and ingratitude to all benevolence.
( it?s root is . This root belongs to class of verbs that are called by Arab grammarians as , meaning verbs of mind plus having a as second letter of root puts it in classification of . When this class of verbs are changed into imperative, these lose the ?waw? due , third rule. Now let us put this much knowledge to understand the meaning. Root?s meaning ?he said?. Now please bear in mind it is a verb of mind. Furthermore, no words can be uttered, without thinking or using rationale, first in the mind. Plus it is in an imperative form. Hence, it?s meaning as ?Use rationale and then express?.)
( there are three words here. is vocative particle for calling out people near and at distance. a relative or interrogative noun meaning ?he who or whoever? and finally a particle to raise attention or arouse from sleep or to give notice.)
( The ?Al? here is not of definite noun, but rather a contraction of ?allathi? meaning ?those?, ?ones?. a nominative masculine plural active participle from root kf f r this root has several meanings but due to syntactical context one above is picked.)
Surah 109 2
I never withhold nor are you to be withholding.
(This verse is difficult to decipher the intended meanings of original author. The reason is that or Maa, has several uses. However, there are really no described rules in the language to best of my knowledge in order to differentiate which meaning of Maa is intended in a given sentence.
Also imperfect tense usually is considered as future or present tense. However, it far from the real concept, an imperfect indicative doesn?t express itself any idea of time; it merely indicates, a begun, incomplete enduring existence. Keeping the preceding in mind, after a negative particle the imperfect retains its general idea of incompleteness and duration. Hence, it is translated as ?never? above.)
( this is a first person imperfect indicative from root ayn b dl ( د. The root meanings are ?he worshiped?. (A friend objected to use of word worship here. This prompted research of whole root from multiple lexicons). What was discovered that, meaning of worship of this verb is only used if god, a false or a devil is the object. However, in this Sura none of this happens to be the case. Hence, I am changing meanings to other meaning of ?withheld?.)
( Maa here couldn?t be considered as interrogative. Why? Due concept in first part of the verse plus meaning of Allah as ?one who doesn?t worship?, therefore, it has to be a negative Maa here. When imperfect indicative is after the negative particle Maa it takes the meaning of the present.)
Surah 109 3
Hence, you don?t be with holders, nor am I withholding.
Surah 109 4
Therefore, I can?t be a with holder of what you withheld.
Surah 109 5
Hence, you don?t be with holders, nor am I withholding.
Surah 109 6
You have reason and motives for your system of living and I have for mine.
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@ Wakas make it to 1$ coz 10 is so much yes
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Unfortunately you don't quite get it.
The grammar you employ/makeup in your translation is only one part. What is relevant (for me at least) is the complete picture. In other words, does it pass the intra-Quran analysis test?
See here for further info
http//www.quran434.com/study-method.htmlHere is what I know about your translations so far
- you frequently change your translations
- I have never seen the translation methodology you employ written down anywhere for people to review
- no-one, not you (or even your fan Abdun Nur) has tested your translations using intra-Quran analysis (and I have a good idea why)
- your translations frequently result in gibberish (and that is likely why you will likely never take up my simple challenge because you probably also know its gibberish)
Although in this post, you seem to have detailed what you did with the grammar a bit more so you're getting better.
And don't get me wrong, dont take my critique as a personal attack on you. You might be a swell guy but take what I'm saying as a critique of your Quran analysis only.
My time, like your time, is finite, thus I choose not to spend my finite time analysing your translations until I see something semi-credible. All my opinion of course.
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My time, like your time, is finite, thus I choose not to spend my finite time analysing your translations until I see something semi-credible. All my opinion of course.
Dear Wakas, let us not Critique based upon opinions, which means beliefs.
- You claim to be Quran only guy. Which means Quran is important and in your opinion you are spending your life based upon your understanding of Quran.
- Your are a moderator of a website called "Freeminds". Which implies you consider yourself as one with freemind.
Now for someone who has above badges on his chest. Isn't it of prime importance to at least analyze critically, analysis of word Allah. Which has been on this vary web site for almost a decade now. The analysis of Allah has been posted with all rules used. This word only is enough to demolish all religions of the world including Islam. If you can't find time in 10 years, I am sure you don't want and you never will. Then please take those two badges off your chest as you do not deserve to carry. It is not personal. All based upon facts.
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Improved and hopefully final version of translation based upon only language rules.
Surah 109 1
A warning to all those, hiding required knowledge to gain happiness by fully developing one?s abilities, use your rationale to express
( it?s root is . This root belongs to class of verbs that are called by Arab grammarians as , meaning verbs of mind plus having a as second letter of root puts it in classification of . When this class of verbs are changed into imperative, these lose the ?waw? due , third rule. Now let us put this much knowledge to understand the meaning. Root?s meaning ?he said?. Now please bear in mind it is a verb of mind. Furthermore, no words can be uttered, without thinking or using rationale, first in the mind. Plus, it is in an imperative form. Hence, it?s meaning as ?Use your rationale to express?.)
( there are three words here. is vocative particle for calling out people near and at distance. a relative or interrogative noun meaning ?he who or whoever? and finally a particle to raise attention or arouse from sleep or to give notice.)
( The ?Al? here is not of definite noun, but rather a contraction of ?allathi? meaning ?those?, ?ones?. a nominative masculine plural active participle from root kf f r this root has several meanings but due to syntactical context one above is picked.)
Surah 109 2
I never hide, nor you are to hide.
(This verse is difficult to decipher the intended meanings of original author. The reason is that or Maa, has several uses. However, there are no described rules in the language to best of my knowledge to differentiate which meaning of Maa is intended in a given sentence.
Also, imperfect tense usually is considered as future or present tense. However, it is a far from the real concept, an imperfect indicative doesn?t express any idea of time; it merely indicates, a begun, incomplete enduring existence. Keeping the preceding in mind, after a negative particle the imperfect retains its general idea of incompleteness and duration. Hence, it is translated as ?never? above.)
( this is a first person imperfect indicative from root ayn b dl ( د. The root meanings are ?he worshiped?. (A friend objected to use of word worship here. This prompted research of whole root from multiple lexicons). What was discovered is that the meaning of worship for this verb is only used if god, a false or a devil is the object. However, in this Sura none of this happens to be the case. Hence, I am changing meanings to other meaning of ?withheld or hide?.)
( Maa here couldn?t be considered as interrogative. Why? Due concept in first part of the verse plus meaning of Allah as ?one who doesn?t worship?, therefore, it must be a negative Maa here. When imperfect indicative is after the negative particle Maa it takes the meaning of the present.)
Surah 109 3
Hence, you don?t be hiders, nor I am hiding.
Surah 109 4
Therefore, I can?t be a hider of what you have hidden.
Surah 109 5
Hence, you don?t be hiders, nor I am hiding.
Surah 109 6
You have your reason and motive for your mode of conduct and I have mine.
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How you define ? Please list few such verbs for understanding what you perceive from them.
These are verbs of mind or acts of mind. The biggest act of mind to analyze information received. The tool used for this analysis is named as rationale.
Some examples of other verbs belonging to this category are,
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These are verbs of mind or acts of mind. The biggest act of mind to analyze information received. The tool used for this analysis is named as rationale.
Some examples of other verbs belonging to this category are,
Then every act is done by mind. Can you raise your hand without your mind issuing command for it to motor nerves in your neck?
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peace guys ,
this word appears in 6 different places as per corpus. 2246, 2437, 3310,4018, 1328, 2232
it appears all translators interpret as hearts(organ) in plural form
@brother mazhar i have a question
about is it a quranic word ? or just daily spoken arabic?
i actually wanted to know more about thisGod bless you all
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Then every act is done by mind. Can you raise your hand without your mind issuing command for it to motor nerves in your neck?
Mazhar please check the difference between, brain and mind. What you are pointing out is a function of brain. All animals are capable of raising their hand.. However, they can't have a discussion like we are having. This is because we have minds. By having this discussion we also happen to be exercising mind's function which only humans are capable of carrying out.
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What makes you think animals don't have minds?
Mazhar, I know you know Urdu. Hence, I am going to use a word of Urdu so that you can understand meanings of English word mind. Mind in Urdu means Aql. You tell me one animal who is even close to humans as being Ahle-e-Aql. We both will know the answer.
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i was watching in tv. a dolphin was doing math lol
monkey was riding bicycle
pigeons used for courier serviceswhen an animal felt danger they run away
aqal mandi = wisdom
aqal = intellect
aqal = intelligence
aqal = mind? or ( when we say "mind your language" mind your head when something is smaller in height or we say dnt mind plz?usually in urdu people translate mind = damag on other words brain when we use in daily life we say
are u out of your mind = tumhara damag kaharab ho gaya hai -
Mazhar, I know you know Urdu. Hence, I am going to use a word of Urdu so that you can understand meanings of English word mind. Mind in Urdu means Aql. You tell me one animal who is even close to humans as being Ahle-e-Aql. We both will know the answer.
Have you seen this? https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=owSZs7H24UY
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Have you seen this? https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=owSZs7H24UY
That is your proof that an elephant is equal to in mental capacities of a human? Indeed most have a mind of this level and their ability to use rationale to be even less than this. Hence, so much difficult to grab the concepts presented even with evidence.
