May be WE are the Jinns/Djinns
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peace brother,
and about the senses i think quran didnt say human only have these three senses but when pointing towards Qalab its mean the source of all blood pumping so u have more senses there out of which one is sixth sense (feeling/warning of something going to happen in a mean while)Salam brother! Surely the Quran didn't say human only have these three Senses but it also does not take these senses into account i.e., TASTE, TOUCH and/or SMELL. As far as science is concerned, we use these senses to explore and identify things around us. Don't we? Why Quran has not mentioned them and why these will not be questioned?
Since we can use them to identify Evil or Danger etc. and perform some deeds of kindness/righteousness. For example, a man catches fire near me and faints without crying out for help. I smell the smoke and feel the smell of meat burning but do not react. As a result, this person is burnt or died. What do you think? Will I be accountable for this or not - in this world or the next?Salam!
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peace brother
u can clearly see the mystery of death becoz nobody can tell u anything thats the mysterious ever thing
thats y i said the mystery what does not belong to this life is unsolveable untill we reach thereits same like u dnt know what tommorrow will bring untill it will come
human being is provided with a very little knowledge and the mysteries we solved or we discovered?
whatever human being dream its a part of imagination hence solveable or atleast know and how to discoverso how we discover something when we dnt know what we are discovering?
Well, brother! I would say that I still disagree. We have a countless reports and records of near death experiences of dying persons around the globe. Or we have reports/records of dead persons who have tried to contact other (living) people. Try to google them. Such reports/records have increased the religious beliefs of people or have changed their psyche. Though the experiences with each persons vary, therefore, extracting some solid data/results is very difficult but not impossible.
As a Muslim, do you believe in Ghaib/Unseen e.g., Allah, Malaikah, Punishment to Evil etc.? I hope so.Peace.
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Salam brother! Surely the Quran didn't say human only have these three Senses but it also does not take these senses into account i.e., TASTE, TOUCH and/or SMELL. As far as science is concerned, we use these senses to explore and identify things around us. Don't we? Why Quran has not mentioned them and why these will not be questioned?
Since we can use them to identify Evil or Danger etc. and perform some deeds of kindness/righteousness. For example, a man catches fire near me and faints without crying out for help. I smell the smoke and feel the smell of meat burning but do not react. As a result, this person is burnt or died. What do you think? Will I be accountable for this or not - in this world or the next?Salam!
salam brother
when a person was asking for help and you got two feelings develope inside your heart
save him or dnt save him whatever option you choose you will be accountable according to the law set behind it and its heart who is responsible not that smell it doesnt matter he smells or not it will not affecting your reason of taking action yeh heart is affecting and giving u two paths out of which you ll definately select onesame like sense of touch
when you touch somebody in a illegal way like slapping/beating/raping look how it started
i ll explain u in a biological way (u feel a sense of touching on your hand and there is poisonous insect suddenly ur intelligence/heart decide to finish it so u use your hand to kill that insect) same goes with touching/beating someone its your intelligence who is responsible not the touch sense or tools like hands and ahamand about taste its connected with hunger is hunger also a sense?
taste the punishment mean know the value of accountabilty of your crime
when we taste something its mean we are sensing a value of meal by our tongue
taste is also used in various ways likehow bad is your tatse( in sense of bad music)
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Well, brother! I would say that I still disagree. We have a countless reports and records of near death experiences of dying persons around the globe. Or we have reports/records of dead persons who have tried to contact other (living) people. Try to google them. Such reports/records have increased the religious beliefs of people or have changed their psyche. Though the experiences with each persons vary, therefore, extracting some solid data/results is very difficult but not impossible.
As a Muslim, do you believe in Ghaib/Unseen e.g., Allah, Malaikah, Punishment to Evil etc.? I hope so.Peace.
peace brother
near death experience is not = death experience
death experience is i think u know very well what a medical death is
do u know anybody who have a death experience same like a work experience ?
near death experience or near work experiece = 0 experience of work and deathbtw i did not say i disagree with you but i said mystery is still mystery if not solved and it seems its difficult to solve untill we see a death experienced person so hold it untill then
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jinn is not a different kind of being, but a trait that may or may not act in any being. jinn means "covered". We cannot see them really, not for what they are. May be they appear as something else r may be where we look we see something but do not realise or can identify what we see.
In this sense, people already gone or who lived ages ago, they might qualify as jinn. We cannot ascertain who or how they were. We cann imagine however we like but we cannot see them nor feel them. They are covered by time and ignorance.
Salaam
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Maybe you need to prove your points through Science and Quran. I would suggest you to take another look into the verses containing Qalb. Mostly it does not mean 'Heart'. Qalb basically means to make things upward/down in order to explore and understand the nature of things around us.
Understanding is something calculated within the 'brain' and brain is only mentioned once or twice in the Quran without any connections with intellectual understanding and sensuality etc. While the science says it is 'brain' responsible for our understanding in intellectual. -
microscopic world is invisible to human eye but its exists there are things we cant see with or without tools human eye have a limit from microscopic life to telescopic life depend on the ability of tool may b some more tools get discovered and we get more discoveries
i was watching a tv prog in which they detect paranormal with a electronic device lol God knows best
if there is law to see covered things or communicate with those creations we need to get guide from prophet suleman although he is not here now so we need to know how these beings can communicate with us -
jinn is not a different kind of being, but a trait that may or may not act in any being. jinn means "covered". We cannot see them really, not for what they are. May be they appear as something else r may be where we look we see something but do not realise or can identify what we see.
In this sense, people already gone or who lived ages ago, they might qualify as jinn. We cannot ascertain who or how they were. We cann imagine however we like but we cannot see them nor feel them. They are covered by time and ignorance.
Salaam
Salam Sister! I would say, HUMAN are a different kind of species. It is we JINNS who have more senses than the MAN. As brother Imran told us that we can sense and perceive numerous senses through the organ called Heart (not Qalb) for example, love danger etc. I think Quran has not mentioned such experiences with Human Beings. Maybe!
I am glad that you reacted to this post. I am sure that I will get some knowledge of a great deal from you.
Salam!
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microscopic world is invisible to human eye but its exists there are things we cant see with or without tools human eye have a limit from microscopic life to telescopic life depend on the ability of tool may b some more tools get discovered and we get more discoveries
i was watching a tv prog in which they detect paranormal with a electronic device lol God knows best
if there is law to see covered things or communicate with those creations we need to get guide from prophet suleman although he is not here now so we need to know how these beings can communicate with usBrother Imran! I was with a view that some certain microscopic organisms could be from progeny of Shaitan (Not Iblees, I believe). I read an article that some type of microorganisms make mice to go towards cats so that cats could eat the mice and these microorganisms could complete rest of their life cycle inside the cats. Is this how Shaitan controls Human Beings and Jinns?
Allah bless you!
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Maybe you need to prove your points through Science and Quran. I would suggest you to take another look into the verses containing Qalb. Mostly it does not mean 'Heart'. Qalb basically means to make things upward/down in order to explore and understand the nature of things around us.
Understanding is something calculated within the 'brain' and brain is only mentioned once or twice in the Quran without any connections with intellectual understanding and sensuality etc. While the science says it is 'brain' responsible for our understanding in intellectual.see my previous post i clearly say we use the words by different ways one is "qalb"
when abraham said satisfaction of heart its not the body part but a state of satisfaction
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i was watching a tv prog in which they detect paranormal with a electronic device lol God knows best
if there is law to see covered things or communicate with those creations we need to get guide from prophet suleman although he is not here now so we need to know how these beings can communicate with usWhat guidance from prophet Suleman? Was he able to communicate with these microorgnisms? I don't know what you are thinking.
Peace
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Brother Imran! I was with a view that some certain microscopic organisms could be from progeny of Shaitan (Not Iblees, I believe). I read an article that some type of microorganisms make mice to go towards cats so that cats could eat the mice and these microorganisms could complete rest of their life cycle inside the cats. Is this how Shaitan controls Human Beings and Jinns?
Allah bless you!
yes brother i also read some articles in which a human being can become God
and human being is a part of God
i even heard stories that one folk see God with naked eyebut let people claim what they want
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What guidance from prophet Suleman? Was he able to communicate with these microorgnisms? I don't know what you are thinking.
Peace
peace
so thats how you interpret jinns as microorganism?
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As brother Imran told us that we can sense and perceive numerous senses through the organ called Heart (not Qalb) for example, love danger etc. I think Quran has not mentioned such experiences with Human Beings. Maybe!
sister look what i told
i told him the functions of heart actually and also say the word heart we can also use for different things a word "heart" not a organ heart but as it appears directly towards the organ heart so people normally consider it as oragan heart same like this brother understood itabout a sound ( yes its a sense of hearing) and one can hear the sound of heart isnt it? even this sentence will go on both ways
sound of heart = heartbeat
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yes brother i also read some articles in which a human being can become God
and human being is a part of God
i even heard stories that one folk see God with naked eyebut let people claim what they want
God bless youRight brother! So please do not tell me what you saw in some Tv programs or what you heard or what you think or feel etc. Just tell me about what are you certain of or tell from Al-Quran where the design/shape of human/Adam is mentioned. As per the word ADAM this name is extract from a color of soil/earth or blood or skin without hair and it was not a proper name etc. If Adam's color was a mixture of color of dust/earth (light brown) and blood (blood Red) so all his descendants should be of the same color. Contrary to that we can see that we are of various colors for example, far-eastern (yellowish), Africa and Makran etc. (blackish), Russia and polar areas (Reddish), Subcontinent (light and dark brown or medium black), Moscow and Red Indians (copper like golden), Europe (White).
Now you will tell me that this was due to climate etc.
We also know that many human beings are living in other than their native regions for centuries and there skin color vary just slightly and we still can tell or guess that what is their original region.
Quran has not talked about any skin colors of HUMAN BEINGS just told that Allah created them from one man and one female and divided them into groups/nations and different languages so that they could recognize each other (4930). Do we recognize each other or do we see differences among each other? Do you think that all these groups/nations are descendants from one Male and one Female of the same color?Sorry, I am not very good in English!
Peace!
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peace brother
u can clearly see the mystery of death becoz nobody can tell u anything thats the mysterious ever thing
thats y i said the mystery what does not belong to this life is unsolveable untill we reach thereits same like u dnt know what tommorrow will bring untill it will come
human being is provided with a very little knowledge and the mysteries we solved or we discovered?
whatever human being dream its a part of imagination hence solveable or atleast know and how to discoverso how we discover something when we dnt know what we are discovering?
I believe that we are given a tremendous deal of knowledge in Al-Quran. Even about death and after death experiences. Don't you believe me? Read Quran, please! 497 for example.
Through Quran, I even know about the hereafter, which may come tomorrow or after a few years or even after a few centuries or millennium. I know what will happen.Peace!
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so thats how you interpret jinns as microorganism?
it WAS my view earlier. Now I have a view that we are JINNS. It were we, the JINN people who worked for prophet Suleman. And who knows that Noah, David and Suleman and Moses and Harun were among JINN Prophets. Maybe Maryam and Isa A.S were also JINNs. HUMAN Beings were giants and the last ones of them were killed during or after Musa A.S period, Bani Israel saw them and were afraid of them. Interestingly, old scriptures and Muslim (sectarian) have traditions that when ADAM was sent to the Earth, HE was very tall in height. It is probable that we JINNS were like ants to earliest HUMAN beings and they couldn't see us under their feet.
Peace!
peace
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Brother Imran! It was nice to have you to discuss the matter of micro organisms with me. I have now realized that I cannot consider Shaytans as JINNS either. When I reiterated, I found that Iblees was not Shaytan, he was JINN. Shaytan is something external as well internal entity which affects both JINNS and INS. It is a different entity and is appointed by Allah to seal the hearts/Qalbs of disblievers thus by increasing Mardh in their hearts/Qalbs. Nowhere is mentioned that Iblees was JINN or Shaytan was among the progeny of Iblees.
please review ( , Az-Zukhruf, Chapter #43, Verse #36)Peace!
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it WAS my view earlier. Now I have a view that we are JINNS. It were we, the JINN people who worked for prophet Suleman. And who knows that Noah, David and Suleman and Moses and Harun were among JINN Prophets. Maybe Maryam and Isa A.S were also JINNs. HUMAN Beings were giants and the last ones of them were killed during or after Musa A.S period, Bani Israel saw them and were afraid of them. Interestingly, old scriptures and Muslim (sectarian) have traditions that when ADAM was sent to the Earth, HE was very tall in height. It is probable that we JINNS were like ants to earliest HUMAN beings and they couldn't see us under their feet.
Peace!
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this same concept is also in the followers of ghulam ahmed qadiani , once i have a long discussion with one of them and he told me in the same way...(it was a face to face discussion)
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Brother Imran! It was nice to have you to discuss the matter of micro organisms with me. I have now realized that I cannot consider Shaytans as JINNS either. When I reiterated, I found that Iblees was not Shaytan, he was JINN. Shaytan is something external as well internal entity which affects both JINNS and INS. It is a different entity and is appointed by Allah to seal the hearts/Qalbs of disblievers thus by increasing Mardh in their hearts/Qalbs. Nowhere is mentioned that Iblees was JINN or Shaytan was among the progeny of Iblees.
please review ( , Az-Zukhruf, Chapter #43, Verse #36)Peace!
peace brother i m not sure whats the link between microscopic life vs invisible beings the purpose of telling this was to understand that the human eye have limit of sight/view from microscopic to telescopic and intrestingly both of these limits even with help of microscope and telescope is not the end , a single cell contain millions of mysteries inside
i once watched a documentary regarding the automated functions by different cells and it was really very very interesting to know the cellls what create the gap between fingers of hand and feet .. its called killing/accomplishing/shaping cells that work in such a way to create a gap between our fingers due i mean when cells developed from singularity to multiplication of body the (shaping cells) exactly know when and where they need to perform the functions .. let say if a shaping cell act in belly instead of fingers then its not possible for a human to come into being .. lot of other things in cells like the cells what manage to shape your eyes its quite interesting to see how every cell and microscopic life works
a recent interview with the microbiologist on cnn i see an amazing findings in her research she said just in one single cell there is a full universe where small and large shape of cells killing, reproducing , moving like a pattern like we observe in our lives ...
BOLD 1850 When We said to the controllers "Submit to Adam." They all submitted except ibless, he was of the Jinn, so he disobeyed the order of his Lord. "Will you take him and his progeny as allies besides Me, while they are your enemy?"
what you ll gona say about this verse which confirm he was off jinns isnt it?
u know when there is something mysterious/hidden/ghaib then theories vary from individual to individual and nobody can prove or disprove it on the merit of proving things related with matter.. so our approach is not correct first we need to make something
u know in these days there is a popular tv show is going on air at ARY digital named as "andheka wajood"= unseen being
in which two experts use devices to prove the existence of something other than human/animal i mean there instruments show indication when they feel a presence .. i dnt know its true or not and they visited so called haunted places